[quote=BBC]
[B]An illegal immigrant has been awarded £17,360 at the High Court for being wrongly imprisoned.[/B]
Joseph Mjemer, who arrived in the UK as a stowaway in 2003, was held by Home Office officials as they tried to establish his country of origin.
Judge Stephen Stewart QC concluded he should be freed and paid damages by the Home Office for loss of liberty.
Mr Mjemer, 28, was convicted of more than 20 offences in the three years following his arrival in Britain.[/quote]
[quote]Mr Mjemer, who brought the action after being granted legal aid, had also used at least five aliases and claimed to be British, Italian, Moroccan, Algerian and stateless.[/quote]
[URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15596588[/URL]
[B]He's a goddamn ILLEGAL [/B][B]immigrant[/B][B], just deport him to some shithole.[/B]
I don't want this to turn into a hate on immigrating thing. Him being an immigrant has nothing to do with his offenses.
I don't think he came to the country just to deliberately ruin it just to watch you guys rage.
I just find it kind of disturbing that people base the whole immigration "problem" on a minority of immigrates that are criminals, who also frankly are criminals because of the country's poor way of handling the issue. So what I'm saying is that the country is largely to blame, but of course it is still his choices and they should still have consequences regardless.
- Illegally enter country as stowaway
- Commit more than 20 crimes during 3 years of being an illegal alien
- Use different aliases and stories
- Be arrested and questioned to determine country of origin
- Get paid 17k for breaking the law and being questioned
wow
[editline]4th November 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mooe94;33124772]I don't want this to turn into a hate on immigrating thing. Him being an immigrant has nothing to do with his offenses. I don't think he came to the country just to deliberately ruin it just to watch you guys rage.[/QUOTE]
He is in their country illegally, committing crimes, and then he sues them for investigating the fact that he is an illegal immigrant
[QUOTE=Mooe94;33124772]I don't want this to turn into a hate on immigrating thing. Him being an immigrant has nothing to do with his offenses. I don't think he came to the country just to deliberately ruin it just to watch you guys rage.[/QUOTE]
I realise what I said may be taken a bit harshly, I have no problem with immigration - but illegal criminals who get payed with taxpayers money? £9k a year for Uni, economic uncertainty and this is still happening.
that's such a fucking joke, they should strip that dickwad judge of any sort of legal license and deport the cunt and strip him of the money, SIM-PLE
[QUOTE=RawrBullet;33124786]I realise what I said may be taken a bit harshly, I have no problem with immigration - but illegal criminals who get payed with taxpayers money? £9k a year for Uni, economic uncertainty and this is still happening.[/QUOTE]
He might be a criminal but try to understand why he came to choose that path. It's not easy to live in a country where you are almost immediately regarded as a bad person when you are labeled as an immigrant.
[QUOTE=Zard;33124791]that's such a fucking joke, they should strip that dickwad judge of any sort of legal license and deport the cunt and strip him of the money, SIM-PLE[/QUOTE]
[quote]The judge ruled that the detention had been lawful for most of that period, but had been illegal between January and May 2011 because attempts to establish his nationality had faltered and there had been no realistic prospect of deportation.[/quote]
Or the Home Office could do it's fucking job right and follow the law
[QUOTE=RAG Frag;33124829]Or the Home Office could do it's fucking job right.[/QUOTE]
But really it's like one part of the government trips the otherside up and in the end the criminal/immigrant benefits from it, why can they never work together to actually better the country and clean it up?
[quote]Over the following three years, Mr Mjemer was convicted of more than 20 offences - including property damage, dangerous driving and attempting to obtain property by deception
Read more: [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2057672/Illegal-immigrant-awarded-17k-compensation-unlawfully-jailed.html#ixzz1cmFNAmqs[/url][/quote]
[QUOTE=Mooe94;33124808]He might be a criminal but try to understand why he came to choose that path. It's not easy to live in a country where you are almost immediately regarded as a bad person when you are labeled as an immigrant.[/QUOTE]
Dangerous driving and property damage isn't really the sort of crime you would think 'oh he only did it through desperation' like you would think some sort of robbery or fraud would be
I like how no one would insult the guy and actually care if this wasn't an immigrant.
A criminal is a criminal. An immigrant is an immigrant.
If you say that he is a "criminal immigrant" you immediately aid the stereotype of an immigrant: untrustworthy, stupid, criminal and deliberately breaking the law because he/she feels like it.
[QUOTE=Mooe94;33124870]I like how no one would insult the guy and actually care if this wasn't an immigrant.
A criminal is a criminal. An immigrant is an immigrant.
If you say that he is a "criminal immigrant" you immediately aid the stereotype of an immigrant: criminal, stupid and deliberately not law-abiding[/QUOTE]
why would anyone say that, he is an immigrant so it's not necessary for anyone to make the comparison, if there was a thread with someone who was a criminal receiving that money it would still get everyone worked up in the same way, but it's worse here because he is an illegal immigrant.. Also why would you not aid to the stereotype when he fits it exactly? There's a reason there are stereotypes, because a lot of people who fit that description can be judged in such a way, he is untrustworthy, stupid, criminal and deliberately broke the law.. look at the article he tried to claim that it had psychologically affected him..
oh wow, that's like the perfect inflammatory daily mail headline.
it's got it all, ILLEGAL, IMMIGRANT, "DAMAGES", MONEY
[editline]4th November 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=RawrBullet;33124729]
[B]He's a goddamn ILLEGAL [/B][B]immigrant[/B][B], just deport him to some shithole.[/B][/QUOTE]
you write ILLEGAL in big bold letters and then you suggest something illegal, good bloody job
[QUOTE=RawrBullet;33124729][B]He's a goddamn ILLEGAL [/B][B]immigrant[/B][B], just deport him to some shithole.[/B][/QUOTE]
There isn't just one other country, and that other country is perfectly willing to accept criminals whenever you feel like giving them away.
[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;33125127]There isn't just one other country, and that other country is perfectly willing to accept criminals whenever you feel like giving them away.[/QUOTE]
No but a country should accept responsibility for it's own citizens, thus that's where they get deported to.. If they're that desperate to get into the UK then they can't come from a great country in the first place
[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;33125127]There isn't just one other country, and that other country is perfectly willing to accept criminals whenever you feel like giving them away.[/QUOTE]
well to be fair, england's done it like a million times before, but that was back when england could kill everything and commit genocide which it can't do anymore.
It's people like him that give the 99% of illegal and legal immigrants a bad name.
[QUOTE=Pepsi-cola;33125470]It's people like him that give the 99% of illegal and legal immigrants a bad name.[/QUOTE]
are you suggesting that 99% of immigrants do not break the law at all, including ILLEGAL ones..?
[QUOTE=Zard;33125503]are you suggesting that 99% of immigrants do not break the law at all, including ILLEGAL ones..?[/QUOTE]
Are you suggesting otherwise?
[QUOTE=Zard;33125503]are you suggesting that 99% of immigrants do not break the law at all, including ILLEGAL ones..?[/QUOTE]
well im just gonna suggest that whatever your estimate for that percentage is is probably wrong too
Unless his life would be endangered by sending him back to his original country, I suggest sending him back
[QUOTE=Zard;33125503]are you suggesting that 99% of immigrants do not break the law at all, including ILLEGAL ones..?[/QUOTE]
You're assuming that all illegal immigrants are in a country illegally because they're lazy and/or criminals. That is so far from the truth it's not even funny. To even be CONSIDERED for naturalization in ANY 1st world country you have to be well off and speak English fairly fluently, do you understand how hard it is for people to get an education or money in countries like Mexico for example? That's why they're coming over borders illegally, to get an education and money. This guy is just one of the minority of bad eggs of many people just trying to make an honest living and improve their lives and actually have a life worth living for once. Generalizations are never a good thing.
[QUOTE=Mooe94;33124808]He might be a criminal but try to understand why he came to choose that path. It's not easy to live in a country where you are almost immediately regarded as a bad person when you are labeled as an immigrant.[/QUOTE]
And that excuses his 20+ offenses, and gives him the right to ignore the law of the land that he infiltrated without any legal process?
It's good to see justice being served, the government had no right to do what they did.
[QUOTE=Canuhearmenow;33126039]It's good to see justice being served, the government had no right to do what they did.[/QUOTE]
They had no right to detain a criminal illegal immigrant and investigate how he got into their country?
[QUOTE=Kopimi;33126017]And that excuses his 20+ offenses, and gives him the right to ignore the law of the land that he infiltrated without any legal process?[/QUOTE]
I don't see how that's an excuse to illegally detain him.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;33126065]They had no right to detain a criminal illegal immigrant and investigate how he got into their country?[/QUOTE]
For four months?
Sorry but we're not a Police State.
This is a tricky subject because while the police had no right whatsoever to do what they did, he still committed the crimes and this is only complicated by the fact that he's an illegal immigrant.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;33126065]They had no right to detain a criminal illegal immigrant and investigate how he got into their country?[/QUOTE]
i'm sure the more you detain someone the more likely their information will pop out of their mouth as a floppy.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;33126080]For four months?
Sorry but we're not a Police State.[/QUOTE]
He was an illegal immigrant with no right of abode in the UK, as soon as he was arrested they should have deported him no questions asked, but they couldn't because they couldn't work out where he was from because he was a fraudster and claimed to be from 5 different countries, the judge even said that it was a moderate chance that he would re-offend, so as a british citizen I would like to know that they would keep hold of a person like that until they completed their investigation. Furthermore, releasing such a person is stupid because they won't ever come back, like most illegals don't when they're put on bail or freed until further notice..
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;33125902]You're assuming that all illegal immigrants are in a country illegally because they're lazy and/or criminals. That is so far from the truth it's not even funny. To even be CONSIDERED for naturalization in ANY 1st world country you have to be well off and speak English fairly fluently, do you understand how hard it is for people to get an education or money in countries like Mexico for example? That's why they're coming over borders illegally, to get an education and money. This guy is just one of the minority of bad eggs of many people just trying to make an honest living and improve their lives and actually have a life worth living for once. Generalizations are never a good thing.[/QUOTE]
why, as a British citizen, would I want someone coming into the country I've lived in all my life when they have little money and don't speak any english to then take a job which a long standing citizen could have had as well as to be eligible to claim benefits from the government? and no you're so wrong it's not even funny, it's not hard at all to sneak in and stay in the UK, the majority of illegals come into this country and hide, they don't speak english and they get a job somewhere, low pay of course but what does that matter, after a few years, by default, they're a british citizen and have the right to live here and claim benefits and get a proper job..
Guys, it's not like they're going to just release him back into England anyway, if you read the last paragraph which was, for some reason, not included in the OP:
[quote]Following the May hearing, lawyers told the judge that Mr Mjemer would be freed, fitted with a monitoring tag, have to live at an address in West Drayton, west London, and be made to report regularly to a police station while Home Office investigations into his country of origin continued.[/quote]
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