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[quote]After al-Qaeda operative Abu Zubaydah was arrested in Pakistan, the CIA received permission to use[b] waterboarding, sleep deprivation, close confinement and other techniques.[/b] Agency officials added unauthorized methods into the mix, the report says.
At least five men in CIA detention [b]received "rectal rehydration," a form of feeding through the rectum. [/b]The report found no medical necessity for the treatment.
Others received [b]"ice baths" and death threats. At least three in captivity were told their families would suffer, with CIA officers threatening to harm their children, sexually abuse the mother of one man, and cut the throat of another man's mother.[/b] [/quote]
[quote]Feinstein is describing interrogation in the Cobalt facility.
One technique:[b] Rough takedowns, in which a detainee dragged from cell, clothes cut off, hooded and dragged in dirt. Agents told detainee Abu Zubaydah that “he would only leave in a coffin-shaped box.[/b]” They planned to cremate him if he died, she says, quoting a CIA cable.[/quote]
[quote][b]Death from hypothermia[/b]
Redha al-Najar, a former Osama bin Laden bodyguard, was the first prisoner there. [b]After a month of sleep deprivation, CIA interrogators found him a "broken man."[/b] But the treatment got worse, with officials lowering food rations, [b]shackling him in the cold and giving him a diaper instead of toilet access.[/b]
[b][u]Gul Rahman, a suspected extremist, received enhanced interrogation there in late 2002, shackled to a wall in his cell and forced to rest on a bare concrete floor in only a sweatshirt. The next day he was dead. A CIA review and autopsy found he died of hypothermia.[/b][/u]
Justice Department investigations into that and another death of a CIA detainee resulted in no charges.
During a waterboarding session, Zubaydah became "completely unresponsive with bubbles rising through his open full mouth," according to internal CIA records.
Waterboarded 183 times
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the 9-11 mastermind, [b]received the waterboarding treatment 183 times.[/b] Though officers noted he wasn't becoming more compliant, they waterboarded him for 10 more days.[b] He was waterboarded for not confirming a "nuclear suitcase" plot the CIA later deemed a scam. Another time, his waterboarding produced a fabricated confession about recruiting black Muslims in Montana.[/b]
After reviewing 6 million agency documents, investigators said they could find no example of unique, life-saving intelligence gleaned from coercive techniques — another sweeping conclusion the CIA and Republicans contest.
The report claims to debunk the CIA's assertion its practices led to bin Laden's killing. The agency says its interrogation of detainee Ammar al-Baluchi revealed a known courier was taking messages to and from bin Laden.[/quote]
[quote]As described in the context of the rectal feeding of al-Nashiri, Ensure was infused into al Nashiri "in a forward-facing position (Trendlenberg) with head lower than torso." (See (231709Z MAY 04).) [b]Majid Khan's "lunch tray" of hummus, pasta with sauce, nuts, and raisins was "pureed" and rectally infused. [/b]
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CIA records indicate that one of the detainees, Mustafa al-Hawsawi,[b] was later diagnosed with chronic hemorrhoids, an anal fissure, and symptomatic rectal prolapse.[/b][/quote]
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Full report found here:
[url]http://www.scribd.com/doc/249652007/...Torture-Report[/url]
Sources:
[url]http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/9/73...ein-bush-obama[/url]
[url]http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/u-s-sen...ions-1.2865440[/url]
Edited:
Livestream of senate meeting here, are there any other sites streaming this?
[url]http://rt.com/on-air/senate-cia-torture-report/[/url]
Live blog covereage at bbc
[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-30398544[/url]
Wasn´t this kind of publicly know?
Ooooh this is going to be a good read.
[QUOTE] At least three in captivity were told their families would suffer, [B]with CIA officers threatening to harm their children, sexually abuse the mother of one man, and cut the throat of another man's mother[/B].[/QUOTE]
welp. :suicide:
BBC has a live page and a live stream of the Senate:
[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-30398544[/url]
Freedom loving good ol 'murica
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[QUOTE=laserguided;46676807]Freedom loving good ol 'murica[/QUOTE]
So how many times have you been banned now for posting/making threads solely for the sake of shittalking the US?
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;46676816]So how many times have you been banned now for posting/making threads solely for the sake of shittalking the US?[/QUOTE]
i'd say shit talking the US is justified in this case because.... well, torture.
[QUOTE=laserguided;46676807]Freedom loving good ol 'murica[/QUOTE]
Stop trying to incite dumb arguments
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;46676825]i'd say shit talking the US is justified in this case because.... well, torture.[/QUOTE]
I mean, I agree, the CIA is horrifying, but seriously look at the guys ban-history/threads made.
Damn we fucked up
They even tortured the wrong people..
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And here's a guide to the Detention Centre Sites:
"Blue is Poland
Black is Romania
Violet is Lithuania
Orange and Brown are two sites in Afghanistan
Cobalt is the salt pit"
From, [url]https://twitter.com/johnsifton/status/542355095309266945[/url]
I also love how they "released the documents" but 99% of it is redacted.
It's almost like a Genie granting a wish, if you ask for it in slightly the wrong way you get horseshit.
The CIA doing this kind of thing is disgusting. But the fact that they lied to everybody about this, even the government, takes it to a new level of horridness.
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;46676816]So how many times have you been banned now for posting/making threads solely for the sake of shittalking the US?[/QUOTE]
None? Afaik bashing the U.S. for torturing people and threatening to kill their families is fully justified.
[QUOTE=laserguided;46676891]None? Afaik bashing the U.S. for torturing people and threatening to kill their families is fully justified.[/QUOTE]
Uhh, no, it isn't. Bash the agency that did this while lying to the government that's supposed to be overseeing their operations and ensuring this shit doesn't happen, not the country as a whole.
I can't say I'm that surprised about too many of the methods used to be honest. What annoys me most is that the current government will try to take a moral high ground saying how barbaric it was and how it's a stain on their history blah blah when there is probably still similar things going on. I'm sure the government at the time knew vaguely what was happening, only they didn't have any documentation or specific knowledge (or desire to stop it, knowing the bush administration).
And to the people bashing 'america' above for this, I'm pretty sure there will have been similarly brutal things committed by the intelligence agencies of other countries in the past 200 years and it couldn't really have anything less to do with the general population of the country
[QUOTE=TestECull;46676917]Uhh, no, it isn't. Bash the agency that did this while lying to the government that's supposed to be overseeing their operations and ensuring this shit doesn't happen, not the country as a whole.[/QUOTE]
When I refer to the "U.S." I refer to the U.S. government.
I'd condemn "Israel" for assassinating Iranian nuclear scientists.
[QUOTE=laserguided;46676891]None? Afaik bashing the U.S. for torturing people and threatening to kill their families is fully justified.[/QUOTE]
Because the US is the CIA.
Kay, you keep going right on thinkin' that.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46676874]But the fact that they lied to everybody about this, even the government, takes it to a new level of horridness.[/QUOTE]
Take that part of the report with a grain of salt. Right now the intelligence community is pretty unpopular, and while Republicans are sticking to their guns, many Democrats in Congress are trying to score points by claiming that they were always opposed to intelligence operations or weren't briefed or otherwise weren't complicit. There was one story [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/05/intelligence-re/"]a few years ago[/URL] about how Nancy Pelosi insisted she was never briefed about various programs from '02-'05, and was against them, until documents were released showing that she was at the briefings and voted in support.
The SSCI and HPSCI are just as partisan as any other Congressional committee so don't take everything at face value. If you look for the things that both Democrats and Republicans agree on you're more likely to find the truth- but even then, there are some things that both parties will try to distance themselves from, and call it the workings of a 'rogue agency' to avoid backlash for their own involvement. They're still politicians.
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;46676935]Because the US is the CIA.
Kay, you keep going right on thinkin' that.[/QUOTE]
Well don't U.S. citizens elect the people which keep these agencies into power?
[QUOTE=laserguided;46676946]Well don't U.S. citizens elect the people which keep these agencies into power?[/QUOTE]
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)[/URL]
No.[I] We[/I] don't.
[QUOTE=laserguided;46676933]When I refer to the "U.S." I refer to the U.S. government.
I'd condemn "Israel" for assassinating Iranian nuclear scientists.[/QUOTE]
Not even that is valid. The CIA lied to Congress, to the President, because even those people didn't approve of the terrible shit they were doing. First sentence, second paragraph of the CBC source:
[quote]Treatment in secret prisons a decade ago was worse than the government told Congress or the public, the Senate Intelligence Committee's torture report found.[/quote]
Congress, the White House did not approve of what the CIA was doing. The CIA knew this. So the CIA lied, said they weren't going anywhere near as full bore into things as they actually were.
There's a reason people are saying what they're saying about you. You don't care if your vitriol is aimed correctly, you just throw it at the wall whenever you get a chance. And then get defensive when called out on it.
[QUOTE=laserguided;46676891]None? Afaik bashing the U.S. for torturing people and threatening to kill their families is fully justified.[/QUOTE]
It's kind of dumb to do in a thread where the topic is the US trying to do something to correct its mistake.
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;46676978][URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)[/URL]
No.[I] We[/I] don't.[/QUOTE]
Time to find a modern democracy, too bad that will never happen in the U.S. because a lot of people there are politically apathetic from what I understand.
[editline]9th December 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=TestECull;46676981]Not even that is valid. The CIA lied to Congress, to the President, because even those people didn't approve of the terrible shit they were doing. First sentence, second paragraph of the CBC source:
Congress, the White House did not approve of what the CIA was doing. The CIA knew this. So the CIA lied, said they weren't going anywhere near as full bore into things as they actually were.
There's a reason people are saying what they're saying about you. You don't care if your vitriol is aimed correctly, you just throw it at the wall whenever you get a chance. And then get defensive when called out on it.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough.
[QUOTE=TestECull;46676981]Not even that is valid. The CIA lied to Congress, to the President, because even those people didn't approve of the terrible shit they were doing. First sentence, second paragraph of the CBC source:
Congress, the White House did not approve of what the CIA was doing. The CIA knew this. So the CIA lied, said they weren't going anywhere near as full bore into things as they actually were.
There's a reason people are saying what they're saying about you. You don't care if your vitriol is aimed correctly, you just throw it at the wall whenever you get a chance. And then get defensive when called out on it.[/QUOTE]
What's the point on carrying on with the farce of congress in the US? It's full of lobbyists and government agencies seem to be pretty okay with just body swerving congress anyway.
I find it hard to feel bad. Ask Nick Berg's father, who watched his son get his head cut off, if he thinks Sleep Deprivation is torture. Give me a fucking break
[QUOTE=TheTalon;46677024]I find it hard to feel bad. Ask Nick Berg's father, who watched his son get his head cut off, if he thinks Sleep Deprivation is torture. Give me a fucking break[/QUOTE]
Then you have no human sympathy. Thank fucking god you aren't a politician.
[QUOTE=laserguided;46677033]Then you have no human sympathy. [B]Thank fucking god you aren't a politician.[/B][/QUOTE]
Said the fucking kettle.
[QUOTE=laserguided;46677033]Then you have no human sympathy. Thank fucking god you aren't a politician.[/QUOTE]
You have to be human for me to have human sympathy. Thanks to the media's 13 years of solid coverage of nothing but suicide bombings, beheadings, school children being locked in a burning school for not having their faces covered, and watching 9/11 live on TV in high school, I have NO sympathy or care for Al-qaeda, and even less for ISIS
Sorry, but that's just how I am
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