18 Year Old Suspected Car Thief Leads Chicago Police on Chase; Fatally Shot - Polidicks

[video]https://youtu.be/aIKnxw7K300[/video] [QUOTE]Chicago Police has come under fire after body camera footage was made public Friday showing officers shooting unarmed 18-year-old Paul O’Neal. O’Neal had been suspected of stealing a car before leading police on a chase through a Chicago neighborhood. O’Neal eventually side swept a Chicago police cruiser before abandoning the vehicle and leading police on foot chase. Two officers opened fire on O’Neal while he was still in the vehicle and a [B]third officer shot at him while he fled.[/B] The third officer’s shot fatally wounded him. [/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.wmwutv.com/us-news/caught-on-video-chicago-police-kill-unarmed-teen/"]Source[/URL] I think the first two officers were justified since the suspect nearly ran them over, but shooting at a fleeing suspect doesn't sound right.

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50835771]I think the first two officers were justified since the suspect nearly ran them over, but shooting at a fleeing suspect doesn't sound right.[/QUOTE] Police are authorized to shoot fleeing suspects if they believe the suspect's escape could be an imminant threat to peace. Whether or not that applies here is for the court to decide.

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50835771] I think the first two officers were justified since the suspect nearly ran them over, but shooting at a fleeing suspect doesn't sound right.[/QUOTE] If the police have a good reason to believe the guy getting away could result in someone being harmed, then they can shoot. The fact that this guy stole a car and almost ran the first two police officers over is reason enough to prevent him getting away IMO.

Unarmed doesn't mean much when you try to run over people with a car. A car is still a deadly weapon and that's still vehicular homicide if he actually did hit and kill the cop, whether he intended to hit the cop or not.

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50835771] suspect nearly ran them over, but shooting at a fleeing suspect doesn't sound right.[/QUOTE] Looks like he got what he deserved to me. Shouldn't have tried to kill them with a car. Sounds like he returned fire as well. It's sad that he died and all, but these are not actions you take when you expect to leave with your life or your freedom.

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[QUOTE=Octavius;50835879]That'd be a much better point if the officers hadn't jumped out in front of the car for no reason.[/QUOTE] Actual victim blaming.

[QUOTE=Octavius;50835879]That'd be a much better point if the officers hadn't jumped out in front of the car for no reason.[/QUOTE] The reason is that theyre doing their job and trying to stop the suspect. Though I'm not sure what made them think coming out was a good idea

Could you put a warning in the OP about the volume? jumped out my skin haha

[QUOTE=Octavius;50835879]That'd be a much better point if the officers hadn't jumped out in front of the car for no reason.[/QUOTE] Presumably cops who get shot are jumping out in front of armed criminals "for no reason".

[URL="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-shooting-paul-oneal-video-met-20160805-story.html"]A spokesperson for the family is Ja'mal Green, a BLM leader who is currently out on $350k bond for [/URL] [QUOTE]two felony counts each of aggravated battery to a peace officer, and aggravated battery in a public place, according to the Cook County state’s attorney’s office. He also faces one felony count of attempting to disarm a peace officer, and two misdemeanor counts of resisting arrest. [url]http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/crime/172968704-story[/url][/QUOTE] So expect this to be another nasty case and I wouldn't be surprised if protests and riots are around the corner.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;50835907][URL="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-shooting-paul-oneal-video-met-20160805-story.html"]A spokesperson for the family is Ja'mal Green, a BLM leader who is currently out on $350k bond for [/URL] So expect this to be another nasty case and I wouldn't be surprised if protests and riots are around the corner.[/QUOTE] Why is his name spelt like Ja'mal? Sounds like hes one of those people from Krypton lol

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[QUOTE=Octavius;50835920]Sorry, I didn't realize jumping in front of moving vehicles was okay. There really was no good reason for them to get out of their vehicle in that situation.[/QUOTE] "Sorry, I didn't realize dressing like that was okay. There really was no good reason for her to be wearing clothes like that in that situation." Just stop. This argument doesn't work.

[QUOTE=Octavius;50835920]Sorry, I didn't realize jumping in front of moving vehicles was okay, guess I'll go do that on a highway. Won't be my fault at all if I get hit. There really was no good reason for them to get out of their vehicle in that situation.[/QUOTE] He may have believed that his vehicle blocked their path. In any case you are second-guessing a tactical decision to try and alleviate where the blame really lies, with the guy charging through police because he can't afford to be stopped.

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I can't see how this is anything but cut and dry. A person stole a car, went in a dangerous joy ride, almost ran over police, got shot after a lawful use of force after almost killing said cops. It's too bad he died but he should've thought about the risk when he stole a car and almost used it to kill people. Though people will just say he was exicuted by the white police in cold blood.

Yeah he ran and fled, but that doesn't mean he wouldnt run into the street and attempt to hijack someone's car potentially one with children inside. Has happened before.

[QUOTE=OvB;50835978] Though people will just say he was executed by the white police in cold blood.[/QUOTE] Can you have negative credibility? Is that a thing?

[QUOTE=OvB;50835978]almost ran over police[/QUOTE] This is the problem. Under CPD use of force protocols, you cannot open fire on a vehicle IF the vehicle is the only weapon involved. It's a fucking retarded rule but rules are rules.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;50836004]This is the problem. Under CPD use of force protocols, you cannot open fire on a vehicle IF the vehicle is the only weapon involved. It's a fucking retarded rule but rules are rules.[/QUOTE] I haven't heard that. If that's the case it changes things legally. Even though it seems like an odd rule. So if a guy was going on a rampage down a sidewalk with a truck, or another Killdozer thing, the cops would just have to watch?

[QUOTE=Octavius;50835920]Sorry, I didn't realize jumping in front of moving vehicles was okay, guess I'll go do that on a highway. Won't be my fault at all if I get hit. There really was no good reason for them to get out of their vehicle in that situation.[/QUOTE] its to stop the suspect, that is their job. They hop out to form a quick barricade with their guns drawn to stop the suspect. since he ran through the barricade, its vehicular assault and is considered use of deadly force. stop trying to blame the cops in this situation for doing what they are trained to do.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;50835949]He may have believed that his vehicle blocked their path. In any case you are second-guessing a tactical decision to try and alleviate where the blame really lies, with the guy charging through police because he can't afford to be stopped.[/QUOTE] That's only more evidence of failure to follow training or failure of training. A rammed vehicle still can travel several feet, and standing behind it like you see in the movies is a sure-fire way to lose your shins, and possibly your life. They should have initiated a pursuit when they realized their vehicle was unable to adequately bring the sighted vehicle to a stop by making a U-Turn after radioing the suspect vehicle's position and direction, allowing other officers to respond and move to anticipated routes of escape. They are not the only police officers on the force who can stop these guys, but they wanted to be. They went for a quick finish which ended messily and with a whole lot of potential to have ended worse. The officers fired on a traveling target as it passed them, without much regard for what could be behind it and thus, in their line of fire. Bullets miss and over-penetrate, and fragments of rounds can still retain the capacity to kill. As another poster pointed out, other officers were in the crossfire and you're shitting me if you are telling me it is training and not luck that resulted in none of them being injured or killed. The same goes for anybody who could have been on the other side of the target, behind a fence or a plaster wall. By leaping out of their vehicle in the path of an already speeding car, they instigated this whole thing. Better or revised training could have prevented the incident and potentially resulted in the suspect being captured alive, with no officers ending up in the level of danger shown in this video. TL;DR - One can't help but wonder when in training the officer was told that his body could stop a vehicle because of powers imbued by his badge.

Cops doing there job, what an outrage. Fucking ridiculous, do people think they can just do this shit with no repercussion?

[QUOTE=OvB;50836029]I haven't heard that. If that's the case it changes things legally. Even though it seems like an odd rule. So if a guy was going on a rampage down a sidewalk with a truck, or another Killdozer thing, the cops would just have to watch?[/QUOTE] I think trying to hit someone and actively striking people with a vehicle would be different sets of circumstances. But that's where the case is gonna get messy. You could, and theres a very strong case in the video, that the officers who stepped out of their patrol car and opened fire could face punishment for violating protocol. But the vehicle ends up colliding head on with another patrol car, which you could argue now undeniably puts the officers in fear for their and the public's safety. Now the use of force could be argued but shooting fleeing suspects in the back is an extremely debatable subject. This whole thing is gonna get messy.

[QUOTE=Bleach Qeef;50836056]Cops doing there job, what an outrage. Fucking ridiculous, do people think they can just do this shit with no repercussion?[/QUOTE] Yes, and then an army of people come out of the woodwork exclaiming that "they went too far" when they killed the suspect. It's just overemotionalism. People that aren't used to seeing people get shot freak out when they see violence like that, even if there is a perfectly good justification for use of deadly force against them in the first place, and they get upset about it and let their feelings override common sense. They're the armchair fighter equivalent of soccer moms basically. And then you've got the assholes who just want an excuse to act outraged for no other reason than they love drama and secretly enjoy causing trouble. My advice: don't steal shit, and you won't have to worry about getting shot. Don't start trouble, there won't be trouble. Pretty fucking simple social contract to understand, and yet there are always people out there who try to twist it-- criminals as well as their apologists. Guy got what he deserved, and it's nothing to be sad about. He did what he did, he knew it was wrong, but he did it anyway. And in the end he paid the price for it. There are consequences to stupidity, a harsh lesson of life which we need to ensure people learn. You can't just do whatever you want and expect to get away with it. You run the risk of losing your life, and that's a deserved risk.

The cops are idiots for shooting without regard for what was in the line of fire. The criminal being shot though is their own fault; they didn't care about the lives of the people they were endangering when leading police on a high speed chase, I don't see why society should care about their life.

[QUOTE=DaMastez;50836354]The cops are idiots for shooting without regard for what was in the line of fire. The criminal being shot though is their own fault; they didn't care about the lives of the people they were endangering when leading police on a high speed chase, I don't see why society should care about their life.[/QUOTE] Everybody is a highly trained officer of the law when some thug gets shot, but I'll be damned if anyone offers their flawless police training when a cops life is taken. I'm not saying police are infallible, but when it's every thread involving a shooting there's a problem.

[QUOTE=OvB;50835978]I can't see how this is anything but cut and dry. A person stole a car, went in a dangerous joy ride, almost ran over police, got shot after a lawful use of force after almost killing said cops. It's too bad he died but he should've thought about the risk when he stole a car and almost used it to kill people. Though people will just say he was exicuted by the white police in cold blood.[/QUOTE] Let me make the counter point you are bound to hear from people within the next few days, for the sake of playing devil's avocado. The suspect had darker skin than the police officers therefore the suspect was black but black lives matter therefore policemen were 100% wrong cue protests and assaults against policemen

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50836681]Let me make the counter point you are bound to hear from people within the next few days, for the sake of playing devil's avocado. The suspect had darker skin than the police officers therefore the suspect was black but black lives matter therefore policemen were 100% wrong cue protests and assaults against policemen[/QUOTE] That's exactly what will happen.