[url]http://www.avaaz.org/en/end_the_war_on_drugs/?fpla[/url]
[quote][b]We call on you to end the war on drugs and the prohibition regime, and move towards a system based on decriminalisation, regulation, public health and education. This 50 year old policy has failed, fuels violent organised crime, devastates lives and is costing billions. It is time for a humane and effective approach.[/b][/quote]
The UN will have a meeting about Drug Policy on the 1st of June. Former heads of state and other important figures will come together to discuss the failed war on drugs and its devastating effects worldwide.
Avaaz is hosting a petition to be signed and given to the commission on the 1st, but they need signatures from everyone who opposes this war on drugs! Do the right thing guys - end violence in Mexico and other countries worldwide, boost economies and educate people :)
This won't work. These things never do unfortunately.
You really think a petition can end the violence in Mexico, hahaha.
Avaaz started a petition to stop the gay death penalty bill in Uganda. 1.6 million signatures were delivered to the Ugandan Parliament. It helped create awareness - the bill died.
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[QUOTE=Mabus;30041833]You really think a petition can end the violence in Mexico, hahaha.[/QUOTE]
Ending the war on drugs will. This is a stepping stone, a well needed one.
[QUOTE=rooky;30041843]
Ending the war on drugs will. This is a stepping stone, a well needed one.[/QUOTE]
No it won't. It goes a lot more deeper then Americas "war on drugs"
It's a good idea, but it won't happen.
Sadly.
[QUOTE=Mabus;30041867]No it won't. It goes a lot more deeper then Americas "war on drugs"[/QUOTE]
The biggest factor in Mexico's gang violence is the money they have from the cannabis and other drugs sold on the black market. The war on drugs in America is a big source of revenue for these guys.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War[/url]
It's common sense that these guys thrive on prohibition.
[editline]25th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Doozle;30041883]It's a good idea, but it won't happen.
Sadly.[/QUOTE]
At least sign it? You have nothing to lose! All these uprisings in the East over the last few months show that there's strength in numbers! If we don't want something, we change it :)
They don't just export cannabis you know, they also deal in Cocaine, Heroin, Prostitution, trafficking, and of course weapons. A bit of these go to the US some go elsewhere. Cartels won't care if anything is legal in the states, they practically run parts of Mexico, Juarez in particular.
[QUOTE=Mabus;30041953]They don't just export cannabis you know, they also deal in Cocaine, Heroin, Prostitution, trafficking, and of course weapons. A bit of these go to the US some go elsewhere. Cartels won't care if anything is legal in the states, they practically run parts of Mexico, Juarez in particular.[/QUOTE]
I know this, I did say other drugs were sold too :P The main source of income is drugs. They're rolling around in tanks! Over 35,000 were killed in the last 4 years. Anyway I don't want to be discussing this, just please sign it?
Well, Gosh I love my drugs and all, but tax?
[QUOTE=rooky;30042044]I know this, I did say other drugs were sold too :P The main source of income is drugs. They're rolling around in tanks! Over 35,000 were killed in the last 4 years. Anyway I don't want to be discussing this, just please sign it?[/QUOTE]
Well your heart is in the right place, and the war against drugs is a waste of time and money. I can't really think of a humane way of solving the problem without breaking the Geneva convention, so I will sign it, just because I'm a nice guy.
I doubt Avaaz is in any way legitimate and is going to help end the war on drugs with a petition. Remember what happened to Sakineh? Yes, the petition was filled, but there was nothing on the news about her supposed execution the following day. I haven't heard [i]anything[/i] about her since then. She probably ended up receiving that 10 year prison sentence, or was secretly killed, or something.
[QUOTE=TAU!;30042156]I doubt Avaaz is in any way legitimate and is going to help end the war on drugs with a petition. Remember what happened to Sakineh? Yes, the petition was filled, but there was nothing on the news about her supposed execution the following day. I haven't heard [i]anything[/i] about her since then. She probably ended up receiving that 10 year prison sentence, or was secretly killed, or something.[/QUOTE]
Avaaz is legit. They've had some good results before but only with the help of the people. See my post above regarding the Ugandan death penalty bill!
Like gangs care about legality or illegality. They will do anything for the money.
[QUOTE=Natrox;30042585]Like gangs care about legality or illegality. They will do anything for the money.[/QUOTE]
If drugs were legal, legal producers and dealers would appear, and would push the illegal ones out of the business. They would lose money.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;30042646]If drugs were legal, legal producers and dealers would appear, and would push the illegal ones out of the business. They would lose money.[/QUOTE]
Good point.
If you're talking about "lower-level" drugs.
The stronger narcotics will never be made legal, they would be too problematic because of the effects on health.
[QUOTE=myalt22;30042092]Well, Gosh I love my drugs and all, but tax?[/QUOTE]
The illegality of drugs makes the price sky high anyway. If they were legalised the price would go down and the tax involved would likely still end up cheaper than drugs as it is.
[editline]25th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Natrox;30042679]Good point.
If you're talking about "lower-level" drugs.
The stronger narcotics will never be made legal, they would be too problematic because of the effects on health.[/QUOTE]
Stronger narcotics like what? Heroin for example can be a very safe drug given the right circumstances.
[url]http://insciences.org/article.php?article_id=6555[/url]
[QUOTE=rooky;30042698]The illegality of drugs makes the price sky high anyway. If they were legalised the price would go down and the tax involved would likely still end up cheaper than drugs as it is.
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Stronger narcotics like what? Heroin for example can be a very safe drug given the right circumstances.
[url]http://insciences.org/article.php?article_id=6555[/url][/QUOTE]
What kind of legality would we be talking about? Would the drug be obtainable by the general population or just doctors?
[QUOTE=Natrox;30042731]What kind of legality would we be talking about? Would the drug be obtainable by the general population or just doctors?[/QUOTE]
Soft drugs, regulation - obtainable by the general population under certain strict rules. Harder drugs like heroin and meth, from doctors. The Netherlands have a very successful progressive clinic scheme - heroin addicts can go to these clinics and obtain their fix in a safe, clean environment.
[QUOTE=rooky;30042760]Soft drugs, regulation - obtainable by the general population under certain strict rules. Harder drugs like heroin and meth, from doctors. The Netherlands have a very successful progressive clinic scheme - heroin addicts can go to these clinics and obtain their fix in a safe, clean environment.[/QUOTE]
I guess that would be okay, but what stops illegal distributors from bringing the drug to the rest of the people?
I hope the meeting actually results in some fucking action.
[editline]25th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Natrox;30042810]I guess that would be okay, but what stops illegal distributors from bringing the drug to the rest of the people?[/QUOTE]
It would be less profitable for them to do so.
No thanks.
[QUOTE=Smoot;30042840]No thanks.[/QUOTE]
Any particular reason why?
[editline]25th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Natrox;30042810]I guess that would be okay, but what stops illegal distributors from bringing the drug to the rest of the people?[/QUOTE]
People won't bother. I'd much rather get my alcohol from a pub or an off-license than the hooded guy down the alley :)
[QUOTE=Smasher 006;30041825]This won't work. These things never do unfortunately.[/QUOTE]
most dont work because people assume they wont and dont sign them
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;30042822]I hope the meeting actually results in some fucking action.
[/QUOTE]
Regardless, it's a big step :)
[QUOTE=NightmareXx;30042871]most dont work because people assume they wont and dont sign them[/QUOTE]
or are from groups that don't have any influence, unlike this one
[QUOTE=rooky;30042760]Soft drugs, regulation - obtainable by the general population under certain strict rules. Harder drugs like heroin and meth, from doctors. The Netherlands have a very successful progressive clinic scheme - heroin addicts can go to these clinics and obtain their fix in a safe, clean environment.[/QUOTE]
So basically only existing and known addicts would get a supply of these drugs, how would this get rid of the drug trade, heroin addicts can get methadone on treatment courses, has that wiped out the selling of heroin? No.
[QUOTE=BrQ;30043149]or are from groups that don't have any influence, unlike this one[/QUOTE]
This petition isn't the only thing going forward. Former head of states are coming forward to talk about ending prohibition. And yes, Avaaz has influence. Look at their previous successes.
[editline]25th May 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Callius;30043177]So basically only existing and known addicts would get a supply of these drugs, how would this get rid of the drug trade, heroin addicts can get methadone on treatment courses, has that wiped out the selling of heroin? No.[/QUOTE]
It wouldn't wipe out the selling of it because it's not legalised but decriminalised. If it's 100% legal, then the MAJORITY of people will look to the clean, safe sources.
Every drug has been decriminalized in Portugal and they seem to be doing just fine. Hell, things are even better than they were before.
[url]http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=portugal-drug-decriminalization[/url]
Why can't other countries take suit?
I signed the petition, but I'm doubting that it will have much of an effect if any at all.
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