• Ken Livingstone suspended from the Labour Party for saying Hitler was A Zionist
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[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36160135[/url] [QUOTE]Labour criticism of Mr Livingstone mounted when he appeared on BBC London defending Naz Shah - and said [B]he had never heard anyone in the Labour Party say anything anti-Semitic. [/B] [B]He added: "When Hitler won his election in 1932 his policy then was that Jews should be moved to Israel.[/B][B] He was supporting Zionism before he went mad and ended up killing six million Jews."[/B] [B]Labour MP[/B] [B]John Mann then accused Mr Livingstone of being a "Nazi apologist" in front of a media scrum[/B] as he arrived at Westminster's media studios. Asked about the confrontation on the BBC's Daily Politics, Mr Livingstone said: "He (Mr Mann) went completely over the top... I have had that with John Mann before." But Mr Mann stood by his remarks, saying: "He is a Nazi apologist." Mr Livingstone said he was not suggesting Hitler was a Zionist, saying the Nazi leader was "a monster from start to finish", but he said he had simply been quoting historical "facts".[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Shadow Commons leader Chris Bryant told MPs: "I'm sick and tired of people trying to explain it away and, yes, I'm talking to you Ken Livingstone." Asked if Mr Livingstone should be suspended from the party, shadow mental health minister Luciana Berger replied "yes". [B]Labour's mayoral candidate Sadiq Khan said: "Ken Livingstone's comments are appalling and inexcusable. There must be no place for this in our party."[/B][/QUOTE]
Holy crap, what is with Labour politicians and going full retard at the moment? Feels like a real life idiot cull in progress.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50218492][URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36160135[/URL][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]He added: "When Hitler won his election in 1932 his policy then was that Jews should be moved to Israel. He was supporting Zionism before he went mad and ended up killing six million Jews."[/QUOTE] Hitler wrote Mein Kampf in '25, but was apparently a Zionist in '32?
This is the third time that the labor party has banned someone in 3 weeks for anti-semitism, maybe there's an underlying anti semitic sediment in Labour?
[QUOTE=Svinnik;50218680]This is the third time that the labor party has banned someone in 3 weeks for anti-semitism, maybe there's an underlying anti semitic sediment in Labour?[/QUOTE] See thats the issue. People will try and use this politically.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50218703]See thats the issue. People will try and use this politically.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately. The thoughts of 3 individuals to not reflect the ideals of the party or the people who vote for the party.
[quote]"When Hitler won his election in 1932[/quote] Uh, Hitler lost his election He was appointed to the position he would eventually make into a dictatorship. What's with perpetuating myth that Hitler somehow was put into power by the people?
[QUOTE=Craigewan;50218502]Holy crap, what is with Labour politicians and going full retard at the moment? Feels like a real life idiot cull in progress.[/QUOTE] Modern leftist politics has blurred the line between liberalism and anti-semitic islamism
[QUOTE=proboardslol;50219015]Modern leftist politics has blurred the line between liberalism and anti-semitic islamism[/QUOTE] That's dumb. How about stop watching fox news? Thats not what leftist politics is about at all.
[QUOTE=MissZoey;50218802]Unfortunately. The thoughts of 3 individuals to not reflect the ideals of the party or the people who vote for the party.[/QUOTE] it's interesting that three anti-semitic Labour MPs are wrung for all they're worth but UKIP politicians getting fired every other week is just due to "political correctness"
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50219050]That's dumb. How about stop watching fox news? Thats not what leftist politics is about at all.[/QUOTE] There's a line between criticizing zionism because of the war crimes committed by Israel and criticizing zionism because of an underlying bias against jews. Unfortunately, it has taken too long for the former to recognize that it does not share the same sentiments at the latter. Just now are leftists beginning to take a stand against anti-semitism and draw the line in the sand between leftism and racism
[QUOTE=Cone;50219129]it's interesting that three anti-semitic Labour MPs are wrung for all they're worth but UKIP politicians getting fired every other week is just due to "political correctness"[/QUOTE] That's because that is what we expect from UKIP
[QUOTE=Cone;50219129]it's interesting that three anti-semitic Labour MPs are wrung for all they're worth but UKIP politicians getting fired every other week is just due to "political correctness"[/QUOTE] It's not everyday a former London Mayor accuses Hitler of being in on a Zionist conspiracy.
[QUOTE=Cone;50219129]it's interesting that three anti-semitic Labour MPs are wrung for all they're worth but UKIP politicians getting fired every other week is just due to "political correctness"[/QUOTE] 3 MPs which 3 are those? [editline]28th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=proboardslol;50219145]There's a line between criticizing zionism because of the war crimes committed by Israel and criticizing zionism because of an underlying bias against jews. Unfortunately, it has taken too long for the former to recognize that it does not share the same sentiments at the latter. Just now are leftists beginning to take a stand against anti-semitism and draw the line in the sand between leftism and racism[/QUOTE] I wouldn't even say its a correlation though. Anti semitism is pretty rife. Saying its a left thing is totally disingenuous. And saying that the left is somehow linked is islamism is so fucking retarded it hurts. Thats like me saying the right is somehow linked with islamism, no proof, no reason. Just pure fucking braindead stupidity.
[QUOTE]his policy then was that Jews should be moved to Israel.[/QUOTE] This isn't wrong. He wanted them out of his country and made a deal with proto-Israel to help jews easily pass through the country and go straight there. I read it all in my book on the conflict between Israel and Palestine but here's a source you can read. [url]http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0008_0_08075.html[/url] [quote]He was supporting Zionism[/quote] Unwittingly or he didn't care.
[QUOTE=01271;50219266]This isn't wrong. He wanted them out of his country and made a deal with proto-Israel to help jews easily pass through the country and go straight there. Unwittingly or he didn't care.[/QUOTE] You mean how he promised the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem a independent Palestine? [QUOTE]In this struggle, the Arabs were striving for the independence and unity of Palestine, Syria and Iraq. They had the fullest confidence in the Fuhrer and looked to his hand for the balm on their wounds which had been inflicted upon them by the enemies of Germany. The Mufti then mentioned the letter he had received from Germany, which stated that Germany was holding no Arab territories and understood and recognized the aspirations to independence and freedom of the Arabs, just as she supported the elimination of the Jewish national home.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/mufti2.html"]http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/mufti2.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=proboardslol;50219015]Modern leftist politics has blurred the line between liberalism and anti-semitic islamism[/QUOTE] This has to be one of the most ridiculously pretentious and flat out wrong political posts I've ever seen. You're seriously out of touch politically if you think leftists have just now started to take a stand against anti-Semitism lmao, try to remember Sensationalist Headlines isn't an accurate representation of global politics and ideologies. I know you think this post sounds really educated and intelligent but in reality you're talking total nonsense with a fancy inflection, nothing more.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50219239]3 MPs which 3 are those? [editline]28th April 2016[/editline] I wouldn't even say its a correlation though. Anti semitism is pretty rife. Saying its a left thing is totally disingenuous. And saying that the left is somehow linked is islamism is so fucking retarded it hurts. Thats like me saying the right is somehow linked with islamism, no proof, no reason. Just pure fucking braindead stupidity.[/QUOTE] I want to be clear: I'm not saying that anti-semitism is a leftist platform. I'm saying that because both anti-semites and leftists share the common goal of anti-zionism, anti-semites surround themselves by leftists to give legitimacy to their ideas. Anti-semitism is strictly against modern leftism and liberalism; I only mean that the anti-semites are islamists masquerading as leftists
Like, you don't just get to say these things, to make grand generalizations and over-simplified analysis of complex political systems without some sort of backing in reality. The fact that some Western liberals are anti-Israel doesn't come close to indicating an anti-Semitic trend in modern leftist politics. Not only do you assume that mere criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic, you assume that a significant portion of people who align themselves with liberal ideals are anti-Israel to begin with.. Which is ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;50218680]This is the third time that the labor party has banned someone in 3 weeks for anti-semitism, maybe there's an underlying anti semitic sediment in Labour?[/QUOTE] There's clearly something, I'm sure it's just a small minority but they need to get rid of these people and make a big stance against it now.
[QUOTE]Prime Minister David Cameron said it was "quite clear the Labour Party has got a problem with anti-Semitism" adding: "They've got to deal with it."[/QUOTE] Of course Cameron would say something like that. The conservative bias is strong with this one. The fact that Corbyn suspended Livingstone shows he's already got more a spine than Cameron ever will.
[QUOTE=Rowtree;50220011]Of course Cameron would say something like that. The conservative bias is strong with this one. The fact that Corbyn suspended Livingstone shows he's already got more a spine than Cameron ever will.[/QUOTE] You really have to be a crazed ideologue to try and pretend Corbyn comes out well here. And pretending like it was a bold move to suspend him is laughable. That was one line in the entire piece and apparently the BBC is now showing 'Conservative bias', genius. The latest from Ken: [url]http://order-order.com/2016/04/28/ken-anti-semitism-is-not-racism/[/url]
I mean he's kind of right. He wasnt really a 'zionist' but did he want to gather all the jews and basically send them to an island so they wouldnt 'contaminate' the european population.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50220094]You really have to be a crazed ideologue to try and pretend Corbyn comes out well here. And pretending like it was a bold move to suspend him is laughable. That was one line in the entire piece and apparently the BBC is now showing 'Conservative bias', genius. The latest from Ken: [url]http://order-order.com/2016/04/28/ken-anti-semitism-is-not-racism/[/url][/QUOTE] I didn't mean the article itself, I just meant the comment. I meant how smug it sounds from Cameron. Considering the relationship between Livingstone and Corbyn, I'm more interested to see how it develops after the polls.
Time for labour to go in the bin and be replaced by a new opposition. They're probably going to get destroyed in the locals any way thanks for Corbyn and his parties insanity.
[QUOTE=cdr248;50220134]I mean he's kind of right. He wasnt really a 'zionist' but did he want to gather all the jews and basically send them to an island so they wouldnt 'contaminate' the european population.[/QUOTE] [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan]The Madagascar Plan[/url]. This had actually been a concept since the late-1800s. Never happened of course, which is too bad because millions of lives could have been saved if they'd gone through with it. But after the Germans were unable to decisively win the Battle of Britain, they just said fuck it and decided that they'd be better used as slave labor and exterminated.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50220293]Time for labour to go in the bin and be replaced by a new opposition. They're probably going to get destroyed in the locals any way thanks for Corbyn and his parties insanity.[/QUOTE] I guess the next election will tell. I think you are wrong though.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50220807]I guess the next election will tell. I think you are wrong though.[/QUOTE] Labour will win London but get eviscerated in the locals
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50220807]I guess the next election will tell. I think you are wrong though.[/QUOTE] Corbyn has won a grand total of 3 opinion polls so far and thats only because a lot of tory voters have been switching to UKIP, this is despite labour traditionally doing well in opinion polls around this time of the election cycle, Ed Miliband for example was winning almost every single one by now. Labour is going to lose horribly in the locals.
[QUOTE=cdr248;50220134]I mean he's kind of right. He wasnt really a 'zionist' but did he want to gather all the jews and basically send them to an island so they wouldnt 'contaminate' the european population.[/QUOTE] They even considered resettling Jewish families in Madagascar of all places.
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