• Steam is now making game purchases untradable for 30 days
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[url]http://steamcommunity.com/groups/tradingcards#announcements/detail/163582965920702191[/url] [quote]All new games purchased as a gift and placed in the purchaser's inventory will be untradable for 30 days. The gift may still be gifted at any time. The only change is to trading. We've made this change to make trading gifts a better experience for those receiving the gifts. We're hoping this lowers the number of people who trade for a game only to have the game revoked later due to issues with the purchaser's payment method.[/quote] WTF is with this new policies Steam. First ingame ads in dota 2, Halloween only hats, now this before the sale.
That means I can refund it during this period right? Right...?
[QUOTE=warneccruid;46566811]WTF is with this new policies Steam. First ingame ads in dota 2, Halloween only hats, now this before the sale.[/QUOTE] How are DOTA ads and Halloween hats Steam policy at all?
I don't see a problem with this at first glance, what's wrong with it?
Halloween-only hats have been a thing for years. Dota 2 ads are temporary until the pendant is not available for purchase. Valve decided to add a restriction to Steam gifts because traders would be able to scam other users by buying games that just went on sale and ask to innocent people for the full price in in-game items.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;46566819]That means I can refund it during this period right? Right...?[/QUOTE] I think this is to stop people from doing this. There are people that will trade games on steam, and then contact their bank (or whatever institution they used to pay) to get their money back. This screws over the other person they traded with, but does next to nothing to them.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;46566838]I think this is to stop people from doing this. There are people that will trade games on steam, and then contact their bank (or whatever institution they used to pay) to get their money back. This screws over the other person they traded with, but does next to nothing to them.[/QUOTE]But can I refund game I bought and put in inventory?
[QUOTE=itisjuly;46566850]But can I refund game I bought and put in inventory?[/QUOTE] Officially, not that I know of.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;46566858]Officially, not that I know of.[/QUOTE] How is steam the top digital distributor if after all this time they still refuse to implement a decent refund policy.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;46566838]I think this is to stop people from doing this. There are people that will trade games on steam, and then contact their bank (or whatever institution they used to pay) to get their money back. This screws over the other person they traded with, but does next to nothing to them.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure it's actually to hinder sites like Kinguin
[QUOTE=Darkimmortal;46566867]Pretty sure it's actually to hinder sites like Kinguin[/QUOTE] I feel like this won't really stop them though. They'll just wait 30 days to sell their games.
[QUOTE=TheDrunkenOne;46566836]Valve decided to add a restriction to Steam gifts because traders would be able to scam other users by buying games that just went on sale and ask to innocent people for the full price in in-game items.[/QUOTE] Actually, the article/OP states it's to prevent scamming by buying something with a stolen credit card, which will inevitably get reversed, and fencing it before the system catches up. The victim loses their stuff, and they very likely won't get their traded stuff back, either. This is to prevent scamming, and it has the side effect of temporarily paralyzing people who try and scalp sale-priced games at full price once the sale's over. It won't stop people from scamming by doing an asynchronous trade (meaning, not using the trade window, but gifting the game to the victim and trading the victim's stuff off them to finish the deal), but you should know to use the trade window if you want to avoid being scammed, and if you don't, Valve can't help you anyway because you chose to work outside their system and all its protections.
I don't have a problem with this. You can still directly gift games to your friends. However, you can't trade them right away.
Game trading is a pretty big market, especially during sales. Those people are going to have issues with this. And those who buy from them as well. Traded games generally are cheaper than store bought games.
[QUOTE=aydin690;46566972]I don't have a problem with this. You can still directly gift games to your friends. However, you can't trade them right away.[/QUOTE] Yeah, if you're intending to get a game for a friend, you can get it right away to them, but if you're just buying gifts to buy gifts then you have to wait
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There's already a Change petition: [url]https://www.change.org/p/valve-reverse-the-recent-policy-change-on-newly-purchased-steam-game-gifts?just_created=true[/url]
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;46566858]Officially, not that I know of.[/QUOTE] For people who happen to live in the EU refunds are entirely possible (and somewhat easy) due to EU consumer protection law.
[QUOTE=Jsm;46567177]For people who happen to live in the EU refunds are entirely possible (and somewhat easy) due to EU consumer protection law.[/QUOTE] Ah, well as an american, I'm not afforded such a luxury.
This is very clearly to prevent chargebacks post-trade from happening, as they are, in fact, a gigantic issue with Steam game trading (it will remove the game from the current holder's library or inventory). I haven't been a victim of it but I certainly know people that have.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;46567205]Ah, well as an american, I'm not afforded such a luxury.[/QUOTE] Valve really need to sort out a proper refund system, seeing as its entirely possible for them to remove games quite easily. It could be as simple as everyone getting x number of refunds per month or something (but only for very recently purchased games)
[QUOTE=Jsm;46567251]Valve really need to sort out a proper refund system, seeing as its entirely possible for them to remove games quite easily. It could be as simple as everyone getting x number of refunds per month or something (but only for very recently purchased games)[/QUOTE] The reason they don't do it is because they get a high percentage of all sales through Steam, something like 50% or so. If they allow refunds, they actually lose out pretty hard. I don't know how all their refund shit works, they may eat 100% of the cost in order to get that big of a percentage.
Well, at least this one actually fixes the problem rather than just removing the feature entirely. N-not that I'm still mad about that or anything...
[QUOTE=Jsm;46567251]Valve really need to sort out a proper refund system, seeing as its entirely possible for them to remove games quite easily. It could be as simple as everyone getting x number of refunds per month or something (but only for very recently purchased games)[/QUOTE] I like the way origin does it. [quote]The Great Game Guarantee allows you to return EA digital game downloads (PC/Mac) purchased on Origin for a full refund within 24 hours after you first launch the game, within seven days from your date of purchase or within seven days from the game's release date if you pre-purchased/pre-ordered, whichever comes first.[/quote] [url]http://help.ea.com/en/article/returns-and-cancellations/[/url] [editline]24th November 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Matthew0505;46567332]Do I have to gift at purchase or can I still use the send gift button on the inventory item?[/QUOTE] You have to gift at purchase.
Steam allows you to get refunds on preorders [I]before[/I] the title launches, already. It'd be nice to have some sort of thing that applies to games in your inventory that haven't been redeemed...but then that opens up a huge loophole to buy shit on deep deep sale discount... and then get refunds if it turns out not to be effective trade bait, basically making the Steam Store a pawn in traders' personal profit schemes. This is why this shit is really hard to get right, guys. You have to find a balance between giving customers reasonable freedoms without creating conditions for rampant abuse and profiteering off the backs of Valve and the publishers/developers who retail through them. You can't lock users down too hard, because shitstorms, but if you make it too free and flexible, publishers/devs [I]and[/I] users (and, by extension, Steam itself) get victimized by every scummy asshole in the world.
Welp, looks like I'm not going to be able to trade games for blowjobs anymore.
well, this sucks.
[QUOTE=warneccruid;46566811] First ingame ads in dota 2.[/QUOTE] you mean the tiny 100x20 img that shows up at the bottom left of your screen when you are in pre-game, and goes away when the game actually starts (1 min)? the same "ad" that's relates to the event you're playing in, not some random item? yeah im ok with ingame ads in dota 2 then
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;46567358]I like the way origin does it. [url]http://help.ea.com/en/article/returns-and-cancellations/[/url] [/QUOTE] I wish EA's refund policy wasn't constantly brought up as this amazing solution that everyone should be using, but they don't because clearly they are greedy or whatever, because it isn't. EA's refund policy has an important stipulation that allows EA to offer it with minimal (at worst) costs: it only applies to games published by EA, sold by EA, on Origin. This is the best possible situation for EA, at worst they are losing the credit card processing fee and whatever the bandwidth costed because they don't have deal with any other third parties. Thus, if Valve had a comparable policy, it would only apply to Valve games sold through Steam, which I doubt is what many people are talking about when they complain about Steam's return policy.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;46567801]I wish EA's refund policy wasn't constantly brought up as this amazing solution that everyone should be using, but they don't because clearly they are greedy or whatever, because it isn't. EA's refund policy has an important stipulation that allows EA to offer it with minimal (at worst) costs: it only applies to games published by EA, sold by EA, on Origin. This is the best possible situation for EA, at worst they are losing the credit card processing fee and whatever the bandwidth costed because they don't have deal with any other third parties. Thus, if Valve had a comparable policy, it would only apply to Valve games sold through Steam, which I doubt is what many people are talking about when they complain about Steam's return policy.[/QUOTE] But GoG will give you a full refund on anything of it doesn't work and can't be fixed within 30 days or you don't touch the game you bought within a week and they have tons of different publishers on there.
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