• TOOL Guitarist Adam Jones on New Music: "There's A Lot of 7/4"
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[QUOTE]While it may have been forever since Tool released an album, at least we now have a [URL="http://www.metalinjection.net/upcoming-releases/tool-reveal-the-real-reason-for-album-delay-and-its-costing-them-millions"]better understanding of the delay[/URL]. The band has been sued by a longtime collaborating graphic artist, who wants some sweet Tool royalty money. Anticipating such lawsuits, the band had taken out insurance to protect themselves from something like this, but when the insurers refused to pay up, that led to a seven year legal battle which is still ongoing. The legal troubles led to enough distraction that the band couldn't fully focus on writing new music.[/QUOTE] source: [URL]http://www.metalinjection.net/latest-news/tool-guitarist-adam-jones-on-new-music[/URL]
They really should have called this album 10,000 days all things considered.
There's a lot dumb nerdy stuff on this record for dudes with ponytails and shirts two sizes too big to make fun of other people for not finding just as ostensibly cool as they do.
ahhh... odd time signatures, the epitome of progressive rock. I've always loved bands like Porcupine Tree, Dream Theater, and Rush because of that.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;45509276]There's a lot dumb nerdy stuff on this record for dudes with ponytails and shirts two sizes too big to make fun of other people for not finding just as ostensibly cool as they do.[/QUOTE] I don't know a single tool fan that fits that description.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;45509276]There's a lot dumb nerdy stuff on this record for dudes with ponytails and shirts two sizes too big to make fun of other people for not finding just as ostensibly cool as they do.[/QUOTE] *doesn't know time signatures* stupid fucking nerdy shit
[QUOTE=innerfire34;45509457]*doesn't know time signatures* stupid fucking nerdy shit[/QUOTE] *knows what time signatures are* still dumb nerdy shit to cream your pants about. technical skill =/= good music necessarily.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;45509911]*knows what time signatures are* still dumb nerdy shit to cream your pants about. technical skill =/= good music necessarily.[/QUOTE] well good thing you're here to educate us on "good music" from your objective standpoint
Yeah that's what kids want with their music, math homework.
[QUOTE=Sailor Mars;45510258]Yeah that's what kids want with their music, math homework.[/QUOTE] You an idiot?
what is going on this thread seriously
I was relieved to find the graphic artist they were referring to wasn't Alex Grey.
[QUOTE=Sailor Mars;45510258]Yeah that's what kids want with their music, math homework.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Take_Opal;45509911]*knows what time signatures are* still dumb nerdy shit to cream your pants about. technical skill =/= good music necessarily.[/QUOTE] are you guys posting like this for an art project or are these really your genuine thoughts in post form
i can only comprehend 4/4 anything else my feeble mind cannot handle
[QUOTE=Andokool12;45510845]are you guys posting like this for an art project or are these really your genuine thoughts in post form[/QUOTE] My Seinfeld routine usually kills at the AARP community center.
you know what things are, wow what a nerd why don't you actually not know things like a normal person
I'm not saying that knowing what time signatures are is nerdy, I'm saying getting boners over uncommon drum patterns, mutliple guitar tracks layered and played in time to the Fibonacci Sequence is stupid and gimmicky. I dig Tool's music, all of their records, but their fans are obnoxious and the ~5/8 oh shit my spirit is leaving my body and I am my body's mind and I am my mind body, 5/8 5/8 5/8 CHAKRAS~ is really hard to not laugh at.
What happened to cute boys and girls side-by-side busting out a beautiful hymnal on an accordion? Why all these numbers?
[QUOTE=MenteR;45510676]what is going on this thread seriously[/QUOTE] People clicked the link to Metal Injection and then caught whatever the commenters over there have
I made a song in 7/4 Its just a compound of 4/4 then 3/4. nothing special. [media]http://soundcloud.com/corn-mouth/reversed-reflections-the-very-best[/media] 7/4 does allow for some interesting patterns. You can make something that just keeps going and going and going and going ect. [editline]26th July 2014[/editline] Im learning about subdividing time signatures too!
Funky time signatures for the sake of funky time signatures are silly
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;45511238]I'm not saying that knowing what time signatures are is nerdy, I'm saying getting boners over uncommon drum patterns, mutliple guitar tracks layered and played in time to the Fibonacci Sequence is stupid and gimmicky. I dig Tool's music, all of their records, but their fans are obnoxious and the ~5/8 oh shit my spirit is leaving my body and I am my body's mind and I am my mind body, 5/8 5/8 5/8 CHAKRAS~ is really hard to not laugh at.[/QUOTE] You're still a dippy twonk for making out that having an interest in the workings of music was overly nerdy or neckbeardy.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;45511238]I'm not saying that knowing what time signatures are is nerdy, I'm saying getting boners over uncommon drum patterns, mutliple guitar tracks layered and played in time to the Fibonacci Sequence is stupid and gimmicky. I dig Tool's music, all of their records, but their fans are obnoxious and the ~5/8 oh shit my spirit is leaving my body and I am my body's mind and I am my mind body, 5/8 5/8 5/8 CHAKRAS~ is really hard to not laugh at.[/QUOTE] it's a meta thing, it's not like the entire song is about weird time signatures, they only become apparent after analyzing the song's structure, and that just adds more depth to it, which is in turn what makes Tool really cool, the amount of work and layers of complexity in every single thing they do. the excruciating detail they employ is what defines them. otherwise they'd be just another alternative rock band singing about weird shit and doing drugs all day long. the perfect example is Schism, which would be just another alt rock single due to it's nice cool bassline and distorted guitar chorus, but then you realize that it changes time signatures something like every 30 seconds, and to great effect since each change causes the pace of the song to shift, making it unpredictable and therefore interesting enough to actually listen to. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhjG47gtMCo[/media] like it's okay to not like people who just listen to Tool for their technical prowess but to deem it a gimmick is a very narrow way of looking at their music. they don't do them because they know how, they use their skill to complement their work, to make it more complex, more transcendental. it's not like they're doing 5 minute solos every 2 minutes or something that is actually hard to listen to (like every recent Dream Theater record bar their very last one), they legitimately make good and interesting compositions. [editline]27th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Asmaedus;45511537]Funky time signatures for the sake of funky time signatures are silly[/QUOTE] which is not what Tool does.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;45511238]I'm not saying that knowing what time signatures are is nerdy, I'm saying getting boners over uncommon drum patterns, mutliple guitar tracks layered and played in time to the Fibonacci Sequence is stupid and gimmicky. I dig Tool's music, all of their records, but their fans are obnoxious and the ~5/8 oh shit my spirit is leaving my body and I am my body's mind and I am my mind body, 5/8 5/8 5/8 CHAKRAS~ is really hard to not laugh at.[/QUOTE] Have to agree that generally progressive rock fans are pretty cool but when it comes to Tool things can get dangerously pretentious. There are Tool fans who genuinely believe that they are intellectually superior because the music they listen to has "some math sequence" "in it somehow". Like, a lot of what Tool does experimentally is super neat and I can enjoy some of the band's stuff, but there's [I]much [/I]more to prog rock than a lot of their fans will recognize. It's not just about abnormal time signatures and uncommon instrumentation ffs. [quote][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-YJyffWh3s[/media][/quote] [quote][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM6qM-VjiQQ[/media][/quote] [editline]a[/editline] and of course i'm not at all suggesting that all Tool fans are like this, just that there's a vocal minority which gives a bad name to prog fans as a whole.
there are only two people I have ever met that listen to TOOL My dad, who is annoying as fuck with listening to them all the goddamn time, it even starts to sound like the same damn song and a dude in ROTC that wears JNCO jeans [I]a lot[/I]
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;45509276]There's a lot dumb nerdy stuff on this record for dudes with ponytails and shirts two sizes too big to make fun of other people for not finding just as ostensibly cool as they do.[/QUOTE] You know I don't make fun of other people for disliking TOOL. I also don't go around insulting those who have different taste in music than me unless they instigate it. Where the hell are you finding people that fit that description anyway. But it also might be in the way you present yourself to them. Judging by this post they probably see you as a dick and will insult you just because your being a dick not because you disagree with their taste in music.
[QUOTE=Sgt.Sgt;45511833]You know I don't make fun of other people for disliking TOOL. I also don't go around insulting those who have different taste in music than me unless they instigate it. Where the hell are you finding people that fit that description anyway. [/QUOTE] Well he did kind of describe a large portion of progressive/metal fans (or at least their caricature) but the whole point of the subgenre is about musical experimentation so I don't see why he's even complaining.
because having different types of time signatures instantly makes you ~prog~. I really dislike a lot of modern prog and progmetal, they only seem to care about fancy time signatures and trying to seem intelligent. There are a lot of more reasons why the first "progressive rock" was considered "progressive" for it's time and it wasn't because they only just dicked around with time signatures and changed them a lot. Modern prog seems to only looks at complexity on a basis of "how hard is this to play". But there are a lot more things they kind of miss when it comes to the attention of detail older prog bands achieved in their day.
I enjoy tool but that shit on lateralus with the fibionacci sequence was incredibly try hard and pretentious
[QUOTE=Big Bang;45511641]it's a meta thing, it's not like the entire song is about weird time signatures, they only become apparent after analyzing the song's structure, and that just adds more depth to it, which is in turn what makes Tool really cool, the amount of work and layers of complexity in every single thing they do. the excruciating detail they employ is what defines them. otherwise they'd be just another alternative rock band singing about weird shit and doing drugs all day long. the perfect example is Schism, which would be just another alt rock single due to it's nice cool bassline and distorted guitar chorus, but then you realize that it changes time signatures something like every 30 seconds, and to great effect since each change causes the pace of the song to shift, making it unpredictable and therefore interesting enough to actually listen to.[/QUOTE] This is a big part of what makes some of the covers of their material so interesting. Vitamin String Quartet has done some really neat stuff with their music. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6vEeYYuOH4[/media]
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