[QUOTE]The US state of Utah has become the first to declare pornography a public health risk in a move its governor says is to "protect our families and our young people".
The bill does not ban pornography in the mainly Mormon state.
However, it calls for greater "efforts to prevent pornography exposure and addiction".
One group representing the adult entertainment industry attacked what it called "an old-fashioned morals bill".
Pornography, the bill says, "perpetuates a sexually toxic environment" and "is contributing to the hypersexualisation of teens, and even prepubescent children, in our society".
Further steps must be taken to change "education, prevention, research, and policy change at the community and societal level" against what it calls an epidemic, but it does not suggest how changes should be implemented.
The bill was signed by Republican Governor Gary Herbert, who said the volume of pornography in society was "staggering".[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36088194[/url]
[QUOTE=MissZoey;50164493][url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36088194[/url][/QUOTE]
Porn addiction can cause many problems and is easier to contract then you think, it shouldnt be outright banned but I think this is ok. As long as they dont pull the religon card, and they arent too extreme this could be positive.
ironically i dated a mormon girl in high school and i found out she was a camgirl
also www.[URL="http://www.mormongirlz.com/"]mormongirlz[/URL].com
[quote]One 2009 study by Harvard Business School said that Utah was the state with the [b]highest percentage of online porn subscribers[/b] in the US.[/quote]
:v:
im not for or against this (even if i do think it's hilarious)
but porn is pretty bad for you guys.
Anything is bad for you without proper context or in the wrong amount.
People still stuff themselves full of diabetes causing shit and inhale all kinds of bullshit cause they gotta have all them conveniences. You can litigate human nature, but you can't suppress it worth a shit.
[QUOTE=The golden;50164628]The only thing that is staggering is the absolute atrocious levels of sheer stupidity.[/QUOTE]
Except he isn't wrong so maybe instead of being reactionary you can realize it's true. Porn is so prevelant nowadays and easy to access, all you need is an internet connection and a device capable of viewing it. Porn addiction is also a real thing that people need to be more aware of
Porn can really hurt. It puts up fake precedents for how people should treat sex partners
[QUOTE=Firetornado;50164510]Porn addiction can cause many problems and is easier to contract then you think, it shouldnt be outright banned but I think this is ok. As long as they dont pull the religon card, and they arent too extreme this could be positive.[/QUOTE]
Literally anything can be addictive to certain people to such an extent that it becomes an issue in how they function in their day to day life. Should we declare everything a public health hazard?
The biggest problem is that they are looking at the problem backwards. They think that seeking and viewing pornography is causing the problems in their state when in fact the high percentage of porn viewership represents exactly how sexually repressed the people of their state are. The religious 'monopoly' exerts a massive amount of social pressure on individuals which causes behaviors characteristic of severe sexual repression. Making it harder to access pornography will only make the problem worse as hundreds of thousands of severely sexually repressed individuals suddenly find themselves without an outlet to their deeply internalized 'perversions' that they have been indoctrinated to believe are a just cause to be made into a social pariah.
There could very well be an epidemic of sexual deviancy in Utah if this goes down in accordance to the worst-case-scenario for how a government can completely ignore decades of psychological research and do 'whatever they think their god thinks should be done.'
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50164794]Porn can really hurt. It puts up fake precedents for how people should treat sex partners[/QUOTE]
I'd blame that more on absolutely shit sex education.
[QUOTE=Xubs;50164950]"Porn addiction" is a bunch of bologna. Not to say that you can't get addicted to porn, you can get addicted to anything that feels good. But the only evidence I have heard, not for its existence but that proof that it is "bad", is that it "negatively effects the way people think about relationships." My problem with this is it is a much more nebulous term to quantify. You can quantify the effects that overeating has on the body because that is a purely physical reaction but I have never seen a convincing, logical, and purely fact-based argument for why porn [I]DOES[/I] effect relationships negatively.
It's literally the same thing as saying violent media begets real-world violence. It's very hard to count and measure the effects that Dirty Harry has shooting his enemies in the face on rates of real-world violence just as it is to quantify the effects of a video of a guy pounding a lady and being really rough about it on the rates real-world sexual violence. The reason it's hard to quantify is because people are more complicated than that. It's been proved time and time again that people can enjoy the fantasy of things separate from their considerations of that thing in the real world.
I have yet to find any real convincing argument I can take seriously about this subject from the opposite side. It always requires me to either assume porn is bad in some way to begin with, or it cherry-picks statistics that don't directly correspond.[/QUOTE]
porn's known to destroy your neurotransmitters but how it effects relationships isn't a clear answer. that would vary from person to person if there even are effects.
it fucks your brain though
[QUOTE=limbert;50164971]porn's known to destroy your neurotransmitters but how it effects relationships isn't a clear answer. that would vary from person to person if there even are effects.
it fucks your brain though[/QUOTE]
citation please
[QUOTE=Blazedol;50164939]I'd blame that more on absolutely shit sex education.[/QUOTE]
Exactly this. The only reason teenagers do not know that pornography is unrealistic is that they haven't been told otherwise by an authority figure. There's a massive taboo in America towards informing young adults (or older children, depending on your perspective) about sex that is largely based in the wide dispersion of religious fundamentalists who feel entitled to a public education tailored to their whims and who raise a massive (and often well-moneyed) outcry any time the subject comes up.
I honestly believe most parents are uncertain at what point informing their children about sex constitutes a sexual offense, so they leave it to the state which has been functionally castrated by said religious fundamentalists. I mean, imagine if your fourteen year old opened up at school about how you had given them a more thorough sexual education than the teacher was able to. Wouldn't that raise a lot of awkward, potentially damaging, and non-disprovable questions?
[QUOTE=Xubs;50164998]And how exactly does porn "destroy your neurotransmitters"? Why does a video of porn "destroy your neurotransmitters" in a way that any other video wouldn't, and for that matter, if only video or image porn does it, why doesn't actual live sex do the same thing?
I need way more than that.[/QUOTE]
long term exposure to pornography drains you of dopamine.
watching porn every day and jacking off will make you feel shitty after doing it consistently for a month.
this is why you feel like shit after jacking off so much in a week
imagine this happening consistently over the course of a year
you'd feel a lot like shit right
this is what i learned in psychology class at least
[QUOTE=limbert;50165030]long term exposure to pornography drains you of dopamine.
watching porn every day and jacking off will make you feel shitty after doing it consistently for a month.
this is why you feel like shit after jacking off so much in a week
at least that's what i learned in psychology class[/QUOTE]
I dunno man, that sounds like something that differs from person to person rather than being a sure-thing. I feel pretty great, at least.
The thing is that porn damages those who are already damaged, much like video games. *
If you showed a healthy man porn, it's unlikely that there will be any long term effects caused by porn. If you showed a sheltered man porn, who has no idea how to form healthy relationships, or how to separate fiction from reality, then there's going to be problems.
* [I]this post is not backed up by science, just a collection of opinions[/I]
[QUOTE=Blazedol;50165056]I dunno man, that sounds like something that differs from person to person rather than being a sure-thing. I feel pretty great, at least.[/QUOTE]
yeah that's true
different brain chemistry in different people
[QUOTE=limbert;50164971]porn's known to destroy your neurotransmitters but how it effects relationships isn't a clear answer. that would vary from person to person if there even are effects.
it fucks your brain though[/QUOTE]
MDMA and pron do not even KIND of release the same amount, quantity or duration of chemicals.
"Associated with pleasure receptors/endorphin release" and "having an orgasm" are completely different things unless you're a magic unicorn that has a whole body/brain orgasm every time you eat bacon, in which case watching porn is very very low on the list of grave health concerns you have.
Shit sex education (ie I've had basically none in public schooling and on universities except "oh no the STDs!!!!!!", and "pls be abstinent, it's the only 100% safe way!!) and a culture that still treats sex discussion mostly with contempt are more to blame.
Is this gonna end up like Indiana where they ignored an AIDs epidemic because they couldn't admit that the solution involved providing needles and condoms
[QUOTE=Xubs;50164950]"Porn addiction" is a bunch of bologna. Not to say that you can't get addicted to porn, you can get addicted to anything that feels good. But the only evidence I have heard, not for its existence but that proof that it is "bad", is that it "negatively effects the way people think about relationships." My problem with this is it is a much more nebulous term to quantify. You can quantify the effects that overeating has on the body because that is a purely physical reaction but I have never seen a convincing, logical, and purely fact-based argument for why porn [I]DOES[/I] effect relationships negatively.
It's literally the same thing as saying violent media begets real-world violence. It's very hard to count and measure the effects that Dirty Harry has shooting his enemies in the face on rates of real-world violence just as it is to quantify the effects of a video of a guy pounding a lady and being really rough about it on the rates real-world sexual violence. The reason it's hard to quantify is because people are more complicated than that. It's been proved time and time again that people can enjoy the fantasy of things separate from their considerations of that thing in the real world. I just can't buy that it actually has any effect if I already believe violent media has no effect.
I have yet to find any real convincing argument I can take seriously about this subject from the opposite side. It always requires me to either assume porn is bad in some way to begin with, or it cherry-picks statistics that don't directly correspond.[/QUOTE]
Porn addiction can make you only attracted to the porn, as it turns off the neural pathways to attractiveness from anything else. You dont find normal women or men attractive anymore, it can also make you have relationship problems, develop ed, and new fetishes.
Sources: My life and r/nofap
[QUOTE=limbert;50164971]porn's known to destroy your neurotransmitters but how it effects relationships isn't a clear answer. that would vary from person to person if there even are effects.
it fucks your brain though[/QUOTE]
The best case for harm that I've heard or read for harm for pornography was that viewing excessive amounts of highly varied images and videos (and I am talking excessive; as in daily, hours-long viewing) could lead the 'reward neurotransmitter' release to become increasingly dependent on said imagery, causing sexual intimacy without the presence of pornography to become stilted and not second-nature, like a marching band trying to do its routine without a rhythm.
What is functionally described there is a sexual addiction. Anybody who develops a fetish and then becomes increasingly fixated on it will almost invariably develop the same condition. How many spouses do you think keep something in their bedroom to focus their eyes on in the moment of climax because for some reason that even they don't fully understand, it causes their climax to surge and release? That is idea fixation in action. For some it is imagery of being on a beach, or the idea that rather being in a locked bedroom, that they are in a somewhat more precarious (and public) locale, but many people entertain fetishes that they will probably never come to recognize as such.
I can say with some certainty that pornography does not 'destroy your neurotransmitters.' If there is even a study that you can cite, I preemptively argue that the results they are citing would be completely unidentifiable in a pile of brain scans from people with other addictive, compulsive behavioral disorders.
At best you can argue that what I've described is a harm, but I would argue that it is not something which is innate to viewing pornography. It is actually the result of any compulsive and ritualistic engagement in the satisfaction of sexual or personal desire based on a mental fixation.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50165058]The thing is that porn damages those who are already damaged, much like video games. *
If you showed a healthy man porn, it's unlikely that there will be any long term effects caused by porn. If you showed a sheltered man porn, who has no idea how to form healthy relationships, or how to separate fiction from reality, then there's going to be problems.
* [I]this post is not backed up by science, just a collection of opinions[/I][/QUOTE]
Dude I've spent the last two weeks trudging to campus at 10 in the morning and trudging home at 10 at night, not all of us have time for relationships
[QUOTE=Xubs;50165073]My question is though, is that a public health hazard involving the [I]porn[/I], or was the person already fucked up and needed help to begin with? Because that too is not a convincing argument for porn being a negative influence, all you're saying is that people who are already fucked up and damaged will believe things that will further harm themselves, which to me is not a problem with porn, but themselves.[/QUOTE]
Which is why I believe porn isn't a health hazard. It's as much as a health hazard as TV.
[QUOTE=Firetornado;50165116]Porn addiction can make you only attracted to the porn, as it turns off the neural pathways to attractiveness from anything else. You dont find normal women or men attractive anymore, it can also make you have relationship problems, develop ed, and new fetishes.
Sources: My life and r/nofap[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry for whatever inconveniences have happened to you, but isolated anecdotes are not the most reliable of sources for this kind of stuff.
[QUOTE=Sableye;50165123]Dude I've spent the last two weeks trudging to campus at 10 in the morning and trudging home at 10 at night, not all of us have time for relationships[/QUOTE]
nonono thats not what I'm getting at. I wasn't saying that "oh if you're single that means you can't form relationships" or "if you don't have any relationships, that means you can't form one"
[QUOTE=Blazedol;50165142]I'm sorry for whatever inconveniences have happened to you, but isolated anecdotes are not the most reliable of sources for this kind of stuff.[/QUOTE]
There are thousands of people in the US alone with this issue, especially the neruons thing [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/nofap"]https://www.reddit.com/r/nofap[/URL]
I'm loving the sheer lack of citations in this thread.
lets jack off every day for a month that would end this debacle
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