Everyone,
ACTA is going to kill the internet.
[url]http://bit.ly/9kaPt5[/url]
Shit hits the fan in 1 month.
All traffic will be logged, all illegal downloaders will be prosecuted.
Authorities will have the power to search your electronic devices without a warrant and the power to confiscate it on ground of SUSPICION. No proof needed.
Why didn't you hear this before? Because governments are trying to keep it a secret. Don't stop reading now, this shit is real. Check the link at the bottom if you do not believe me. I could be trolling, Reuters.com could not.
Of course stopping piracy is a good thing, in a way. Music and film industries might be better off without it. This treaty will however go way too far. Authorities will have total control over ISP's and be able to force them to block sites that they deem "inappropriate". This is a violation of the US constitution, as freedom of speech will no longer exist properly.
This is not limited to the US. Countries affected by this treaty include but are not limited to:
Australia, Canada, the European Union, Japan, The Republic of Korea, Mexico, Morocco, New Zealand, Singapore, Switzerland and the United States
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Spread these two links across the web.
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More info on ACTA + proof that i am not kidding:
[url]http://bit.ly/dwRerI[/url]
Oh god, can I still watch porn?
You haven't given us any proof this is as bad as you say it is. From that second link all I can see they are doing is another anti-piracy law, which in my opinion they are more than entitled to do. At the end of the day piracy [I]is[/I] illegal, no matter how much we love it. Having illegal music on your ipod should be just the same as carrying counterfeit dvd's or whatever - its technically stolen goods. Fair game if you ask me. Get smart and don't get caught or don't do it in the first place.
[quote]In a joint statement, the participating countries addressed a number of worries that have surfaced about the pact, saying it would [B]not[/B] require members of the agreement to take steps that [B]violate "fundamental rights and liberties."[/B]
Some digital rights advocates feared that provisions aimed at reducing online piracy of music and films could empower Internet providers to deny service to repeat offenders.
The trade agreement "will not hinder the cross-border transit of legitimate generic medicines," the joint statement also said.
The agreement "will [B]not[/B] oblige border authorities to [B]search travelers' baggage or their personal electronic devices for infringing materials,"[/B] it added.[/quote]
[url]http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67J5A220100821[/url] (AKA OP's second source)
nooooo
as long as Kade's quote is right, then I'm okay. But as soon as this starts affecting freedom of speech and expression on the internet, shit is going to get real.
It's impossible to prosecute all illegal downloaders. You want to get half your nation in court just because they got an illegal mp3 file?
I'd like to see that happen.
Scaremongering bullshit.
Another thing, pirates return to Usenet usage, nothing significant happens.
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Authorities will have the power to search your electronic devices without a warrant and the power to confiscate it on ground of SUSPICION. No proof needed.
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So dos this mean that if i accidentally got a CP pop up in my history they can fuck up my pc? Or if i already had a movie or album on my hard drive they can fuck my shit up?
[QUOTE=Kade;24310600]You haven't given us any proof this is as bad as you say it is. From that second link all I can see they are doing is another anti-piracy law, which in my opinion they are more than entitled to do. At the end of the day piracy [I]is[/I] illegal, no matter how much we love it. Having illegal music on your ipod should be just the same as carrying counterfeit dvd's or whatever - its technically stolen goods. Fair game if you ask me. Get smart and don't get caught or don't do it in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Sure, if you get caught on piracy at the moment, you will be fined. Big time.
Thing is: they need proof, which they cannot get from just looking at your ipod.
Further source: [url]http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5425059/ACTA_Agreement_leaked_[/url]
inb4 torrent site ergo fake
this was leaked in January, if this was all untrue, authorities would have said so by now to avoid a shitstorm. instead the only thing the reuters article from 4 days ago is able to say is "The agreement 'will not oblige border authorities to search travelers' baggage or their personal electronic devices for infringing materials,'"
but it will ALLOW
[QUOTE=Synelor;24310774]I call bullshit.[/QUOTE]
I [I]really[/I] hope you're right.
If it isn't I'll do my best :ohdear:
[QUOTE=Irongasm;24310835]So dos this mean that if i accidentally got a CP pop up in my history they can fuck up my pc? Or if i already had a movie or album on my hard drive they can fuck my shit up?[/QUOTE]
Yup. Concerning the accidental CP: there is a three strike rule.
If you get caught doing anything illegal three times, you will be prosectured.
ACTA wants complete disconnection from the internet, i wonder how this would be possible, though.
Movies and albums that are already on your harddrive go by the same rules. They will, however not be detected unless you cross a border and your drive is checked or you seed them.
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[QUOTE=w0lfeh;24310851]I [I]really[/I] hope you're right.
If it isn't I'll do my best :ohdear:[/QUOTE]
Trust me, so do i.
Or in anycase i hope that ACTA is blowing itself up bigtime, so a less aggressive, stripped version will be accepted more easily.
Dos this mean hackers can leak your stuff to these people just to get your internet shut down.
[QUOTE=Irongasm;24310921]Dos this mean hackers can leak your stuff to these people just to get your internet shut down.[/QUOTE]
Yes. And also that this takedown of your internet can be done without a proper trial, based on suspicion. You can (of course) try to prove yourself innocent afterwards and have it restored.
Is there any proper info about ACTA? I'd like to see some.
[QUOTE=4n0n;24310840]Sure, if you get caught on piracy at the moment, you will be fined. Big time.
Thing is: they need proof, which they cannot get from just looking at your ipod.
Further source: [url]http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5425059/ACTA_Agreement_leaked_[/url]
inb4 torrent site ergo fake
this was leaked in January, if this was all untrue, authorities would have said so by now to avoid a shitstorm. instead the only thing the reuters article from 4 days ago is able to say is "The agreement 'will not oblige border authorities to search travelers' baggage or their personal electronic devices for infringing materials,'"
but it will ALLOW[/QUOTE]
But they won't do it, since that's slow down international traffic to a crawl.
We've had plenty of these kinds of laws before, and what did they actually do?
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I don't do anything illegal, so I have no reason to be worried.
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but it will ALLOW[/QUOTE]
Well they should be allowed. They can search the rest of you for physical stolen goods, why not electronic devices too? I mean they can search the pages of your diary for anything hidden in between the pages, why not stuff on your netbook? Besides, do you really think customs are going to be pulling you over for a normal routine search and making you wait 3 or 4 hours while your laptop is analysed without having any prior probable cause? Every person carrying an electronic device? It totally wouldn't be worth their time in the slightest. You need evidence to prove every crime. Piracy is a crime, ergo this needs to be done where there is suspected cause in order to gather that evidence. Its not a big conspiracy to alter the internet. Its basic law enforcement.
[QUOTE=Kade;24310986]Well they should be allowed. They can search the rest of you for physical stolen goods, why not electronic devices too? I mean they can search the pages of your diary for anything hidden in between the pages, why not stuff on your netbook? Besides, do you really think customs are going to be pulling you over for a normal routine search and making you wait 3 or 4 hours while your laptop is analysed without having any prior probable cause? Every person carrying an electronic device? It totally wouldn't be worth their time in the slightest. You need evidence to prove every crime. Piracy is a crime, ergo this needs to be done where there is suspected cause in order to gather that evidence. Its not a big conspiracy to alter the internet. Its basic law enforcement.[/QUOTE]
Yes, i can agree with you on allowing them to search devices. But when they look through your bag, they cannot confiscate your diary for thinking you might have stolen it. They need to prove it. ACTA only needs suspicion.
[QUOTE=Kade;24310986]Well they should be allowed. They can search the rest of you for physical stolen goods, why not electronic devices too? I mean they can search the pages of your diary for anything hidden in between the pages, why not stuff on your netbook? Besides, do you really think customs are going to be pulling you over for a normal routine search and making you wait 3 or 4 hours while your laptop is analysed without having any prior probable cause? Every person carrying an electronic device? It totally wouldn't be worth their time in the slightest. You need evidence to prove every crime. Piracy is a crime, ergo this needs to be done where there is suspected cause in order to gather that evidence. Its not a big conspiracy to alter the internet. Its basic law enforcement.[/QUOTE]
I should probably truecrypt my whole hard drive with a mutator password just to annoy them
I mean, how can they seriously 'search your ipod for illegal files'? What, do they want a receipt for every song you bought?
And are they seriously expecting police to use up thousands of man-hours checking laptops for movie files?
Seriously, it's bullshit of the highest degree. Even if it is true, it's completely unenforceable.
Hmm, I informed myself about what would change in my country (CH), it wouldn't change the current law here, but set a new standard in how it is handled. That's a really wonky formulation.
I don't like this.
So this doesn't affect the UK then?
Edit: Oh derp, the whole EU :|
Hah, the Pirate party here will make a facultative referendum if Switzerland wants to sign the contract. Gotta love the Swiss political system :buddy:
So basically they want half of the world in jail?
well fuck
There will be rioting on a mass scale if this actually happens. People everywhere are going to disconnect from the internet in protest and then the ISPs will get no money, which will force them to complain and so on. Of course, that's only if people are as smart as I think they are. They're not.
Probably ends up the same as the stuff on youtube, although I don't hope so
But what do they deem "inappropriate"? There's the danger that this'll eventually mimic Chinese censorship.
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