• Synthetic, environmentally friendly Fossil Fuels in development
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[release]ALICANTE, Spain (AFP) – In a forest of tubes eight metres high in eastern Spain scientists hope they have found the fuel of tomorrow: bio-oil produced with algae mixed with carbon dioxide from a factory. Almost 400 of the green tubes, filled with millions of microscopic algae, cover a plain near the city of Alicante, next to a cement works from which the C02 is captured and transported via a pipeline to the "blue petroleum" factory. The project, which is still experimental, has been developed over the past five years by Spanish and French researchers at the small Bio Fuel Systems (BFS) company. At a time when companies are redoubling their efforts to find alternative energy sources, the idea is to reproduce and speed up a process which has taken millions of years and which has led to the production of fossil fuels. "We are trying to simulate the conditions which existed millions of years ago, when the phytoplankton was transformed into oil," said engineer Eloy Chapuli. "In this way, we obtain oil that is the same as oil today." The microalgae reproduces at high speed in the tubes by photosynthesis and from the CO2 released from the cement factory. Every day some of this highly concentrated liquid is extracted and filtered to produce a biomass that is turned into bio-oil. The other great advantage of the system is that it is a depollutant -- it absorbs the C02 which would otherwise be released into the atmosphere. "It's ecological oil," said the founder and chairman of BFS, French engineer Bernard Stroiazzo-Mougin, who worked in oil fields in the Middle East before coming to Spain. "We need another five to 10 years before industrial production can start," said Stroiazzo-Mougin, who hopes to be able to develop another such project on the Portuguese island of Madeira. "In a unit that covers 50 square kilometres, which is not something enormous, in barren regions of southern Spain, we could produce about 1.25 million barrels per day," or almost as much as the daily export of oil from Iraq, he said.[/release] [url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110331/bs_afp/spainenergyalternativeenvironmentresearch]Source[/url] This looks promising.
I wonder if we will ever hear about this again.
[quote]This looks promising.[/quote] Well, they're not exactly going to try and undersell themselves whilst they're still in the development "we need funding!" stage, are they? That said, I hope it works it to be quite economical and competitive.
This sounds like something great and that should have alot of effort and attention put to.
Nah, in steps the oil companies with billion dollar bribes for the tech.
It will be crucified and left to rot as a warning to others for getting too close to making a competing source of oil.
Not saying you are late, but I've saw a similar article a while back but in a different location, although it was geared towards growing biomass to burn rather than induce the creation of oil.
[QUOTE=orgornot;28914248]I wonder if we will ever hear about this again.[/QUOTE] We just did.
in b4 Shell. Seriously, I fear the oil companies will buy this out/somehow ruin this.
[QUOTE=SweetSwifter;28914720]in b4 Shell. Seriously, I fear the oil companies will buy this out/somehow ruin this.[/QUOTE] I thought BP bought Shell. :raise:
All I can say is I hope this one actually works.
They aren't really fossil fuels if they are made by algae, are they? :v:
[QUOTE=noctune9;28914962]They aren't really fossil fuels if they are made by algae, are they? :v:[/QUOTE] No they aren't! Kill those eggheads! :downsgun:
[QUOTE=orgornot;28914248]I wonder if we will ever hear about this again.[/QUOTE] Wasn't there a thing where they said they could make fuel out of seawater or something? Never heard about that again.
Shit like this never gets off the ground and starts working. They have been making alternate energy fuel for ages but they ALWAYS fail due to: 1. Hideously expensive process 2. Can never output nearly enough oil efficently and cheaply enough to cover a global demand as an oil well could (so it would end up being much more expensive anyways) 3. Oil companies always buy out such projects and then shut them down. They would need to literally turn down all funding from oil-connected agencies (which there are many and are very powerful) and if government funded, must be in a country that would reject funding from oil companies as well. Which is hard to find, since any govenerment that denies funding would most likely suffer much higher import and oil prices from the oil companies "as punishment" Who knows this might get off the ground but I doubt it. At least it appears to be able to produce plenty of oil, which is great. Of course the question is, is it expensive to gather such oil, and is it going to cost an assload to set up such "oil farms". Imagine a future though where this did kick off. Cars in the future would despense their exhaust in containers instead of the air. You would then ship off your container when full to an oil company or gas station to get some credit of some sort. They would then take your exhaust, and use it to fuel their oil. It's a completely clean way of producing oil cheaply.
[QUOTE=orgornot;28914248]I wonder if we will ever hear about this again.[/QUOTE] Nope, same shit will happen that always happens. they will get hostile taken over by an oil company, or just completely bought out, they will be stripped of resources, and the project dismantled. I remember a while back there was a small nanite that ate something that was harmful, and shat out fossil fuels, but the company that was making it was taken over and dismantled. oil companies aren't going too let something cut off their income.
[QUOTE=SweetSwifter;28914720]in b4 Shell. Seriously, I fear the oil companies will buy this out/somehow ruin this.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't they want this? If they could make their own they wouldn't have to bend over for Saudi Arabia, it would be cheaper too and they'd probably still make it expensive anyway.
[QUOTE=Swilly;28915865]Wouldn't they want this? If they could make their own they wouldn't have to bend over for Saudi Arabia, it would be cheaper too and they'd probably still make it expensive anyway.[/QUOTE] They will make it in their basements but it will never be announced cheap or environmentally friendly, people would loose money.
This will happen when america dies and don't stop it :tinfoil:
I wonder what octane level we'd be talking about here.
There's something wrong with this, there always is whether it's a real fear/flaw or not.
Watch how the entire research team is found dead (read: Murdered) and their project DESTROYED.
I fucking hate how we are not going to hear about this ever again. Someone needs the balls to stand up to the big oil industries. They are running this world and running it into the fucking ground. But no, they don't give a fuck. The one company that has the balls to stand up to them and make something that can and will revolutionize the world is going to make my day so much. Besides saving our planet, it would finally allow me to go up to the asshats in charge of these detrimental oil companies and go like, "HA, FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING PRICKS, GO FUCK YOURSELVES WITH AN OIL DRILL!"
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This is nothing new. The potentials for alga-culture biodiesel and biomass fuels has been known for nearly 20yrs from US DoE studies. In the past decade there's been hundreds of start-up companies doing this same exact thing.
[QUOTE=Master117;28924718]I fucking hate how we are not going to hear about this ever again. Someone needs the balls to stand up to the big oil industries. They are running this world and running it into the fucking ground. But no, they don't give a fuck. The one company that has the balls to stand up to them and make something that can and will revolutionize the world is going to make my day so much. Besides saving our planet, it would finally allow me to go up to the asshats in charge of these detrimental oil companies and go like, "HA, FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING PRICKS, GO FUCK YOURSELVES WITH AN OIL DRILL!"[/QUOTE] well then get off your soapbox and do something.
"[B]Synthetic[/B], environmentally friendly [B]Fossil Fuels[/B]" Doesn't make sense by principle. Fossil fuels are so useful because we need to employ little to no effort to gain energy from them. Once you have to synthesize the fuel, it's nothing like fossil fuels just for the fact you had to synthesize it. We have always had a wide range of various chemical replacements for oil, for coal, everything. Point is that once you have to create it first to be able burn it, it's not an energy source, but more of energy storage. This is more of alternate source of energy. Basically only another use of Solar Energy. Also it's almost the same thing as growing wood in forests and chopping it to burn it, only probably with higher energy profit and easier to handle substance. I would certainly like to see this used, yet again, it seems almost too promising.
Good, I guess. Also yeah "synthetic fossil fuels" ? Though I wonder what is the process of creating it, and.. I guess you'll need a whole lot of laboratories to mass produce it. Plus the fueling stations for cars and shit but those we already have around But yeah, environmental modern society is the way to go. it'll be fine indeed
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;28929581]"[B]Synthetic[/B], environmentally friendly [B]Fossil Fuels[/B]" Doesn't make sense by principle. Fossil fuels are so useful because we need to employ little to no effort to gain energy from them. Once you have to synthesize the fuel, it's nothing like fossil fuels just for the fact you had to synthesize it. We have always had a wide range of various chemical replacements for oil, for coal, everything. Point is that once you have to create it first to be able burn it, it's not an energy source, but more of energy storage. This is more of alternate source of energy. Basically only another use of Solar Energy. Also it's almost the same thing as growing wood in forests and chopping it to burn it, only probably with higher energy profit and easier to handle substance. I would certainly like to see this used, yet again, it seems almost too promising.[/QUOTE] Was about to post this. But well its a catchyer title then synthetic oil in development.
Hmm. while promising, it also raises concerns. If this fuel were to catch on, I could see this as being hazardous to plants as they need C02. The very gas we breath out.
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