i was reading up on iv technique for opiates on a forum and happened to come across a link to a site; saferinjecting.net
i was casually browsing. the site wasn't too much use as i had taken the iv advice from people in the forum before, but i was looking through the cannabis and cannabis harm-reduction pages, the latter of which stated;
[quote][B]Joints[/B]
[B]Most experts agree that smoking cannabis in joints is one of the least harmful ways to use the drug.[/B] To maximise the ratio of THC to tar and carcinogens, it is recommended that you do not use cigarette filters in joints as they eliminate up to 60% of the THC in the smoke, leaving you with a much higher proportion of tar and other toxic substances in the smoke. Instead, smoke unfiltered joints or use rolled pieces of unbleached cardboard in the end of the joint.
[B]Bongs[B][/B]
[/B]
While many people prefer to smoke cannabis in bongs because the cooler smoke doesn’t feel as harsh on the lungs, [B]recent research suggests that using a bong may be one of the most harmful methods of smoking cannabis.[/B] The [B]water in a bong absorbs a great deal of the THC[/B] in the smoke, thus increasing the amount of tar the smoker must ingest to get the desired amount of THC.[/quote]
i was under the impression that bongs were a lot more safer and cleaner than joints, that joints were very ineffective, and that thc wasn't water-soluble.
help me, have i just misunderstood, or is this webpage just full of shit? normally i'd say the latter, but i wanted to make sure, as it seems to be fine elsewhere on the site.
I doubt that's true.
Water doesnt absorb THC well.
that site sounds like bullshit
joints are not the safest way to smoke weed because you are smoking paper too
also I have heard bongs can filter out some of the carcinogens that make weed "harmful"
and thc is not water soluble
Joint is probably the most harmful way you can smoke, considering you get super-hot and unhealthy smoke in your throat. And as previous posters said, THC is not soluble in water.
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And you waste like a third of your weed.
THC is slightly soluble in water.
[QUOTE=Qwerty?;22151673]THC is slightly soluble in water.[/QUOTE]
very slightly. everything is.
THC is not water soluble. Not enough to talk about. End of story.
THCs solubility in water is 0.0028 (23 °C) mg/mL. Lets compare that to sugar (sucrose). Solubility: 200 g/100 mL (25 °C). That's a considerable difference, thus, THC is virtually insoluble in water.
[QUOTE=Meader;22151997]End of story.[/QUOTE]
agreed. i thought i should bring it up though, as it was on an otherwise pretty correct website.
Ok I don't think any of you guys know what you're talking about. Solubility isn't even the big factor here, the temperature of the THC is already passed it's boiling point once it hits the water in the bong, once it hits the water it cools it into its liquid state while at the same time being pressured by the water and some of it will stay in the water in this suspended state. I'm sure i've also read something years ago that THC will stay in the water more readily than most of the shit you're trying to filter out.
[QUOTE=Qwerty?;22152415]Ok I don't think any of you guys know what you're talking about. Solubility isn't even the big factor here, the temperature of the THC is already passed it's boiling point once it hits the water in the bong, once it hits the water it cools it into its liquid state while at the same time being pressured by the water and [b]some of it will stay in the water in this suspended state.[/b] I'm sure i've also read something years ago that THC will stay in the water more readily than most of the shit you're trying to filter out.[/QUOTE]
And this is not the THC being insoluble..?
The quote in the OP made absolutely no mention to the solubility of it. Why do you think it's still relevant?
[QUOTE=Qwerty?;22152415]Ok I don't think any of you guys know what you're talking about. Solubility isn't even the big factor here, the temperature of the THC is already passed it's boiling point once it hits the water in the bong, once it hits the water it cools it into its liquid state while at the same time being pressured by the water and some of it will stay in the water in this suspended state. I'm sure i've also read something years ago that THC will stay in the water more readily than most of the shit you're trying to filter out.[/QUOTE]
wasnt that study even done by NORML?
[QUOTE=Zeemlapje;22152913]wasnt that study even done by NORML?[/QUOTE]
lol yeah i think it was
The argument is pretty dumb. Their train of thought seems to be that if anything lessens the amount of THC, the user will smoke more to gain the same effect, thus taking in more of the harmful chemicals.
There is a lot more about what makes a person feel high than the amount of THC. For example, the concentration has a big effect. With a bong, there is a lot more smoke inhaled which means a lot more THC in the lungs, and because of this a much larger portion of THC will be absorbed due to diffusion.
I'm sure a lot of people can agree with me when I say that you can get the same high using a lot less weed with a bong, than with a pipe or joint.
[QUOTE=Qwerty?;22152415]Ok I don't think any of you guys know what you're talking about. Solubility isn't even the big factor here, the temperature of the THC is already passed it's boiling point once it hits the water in the bong, once it hits the water it cools it into its liquid state while at the same time being pressured by the water and some of it will stay in the water in this suspended state. I'm sure i've also read something years ago that THC will stay in the water more readily than most of the shit you're trying to filter out.[/QUOTE]
I think I read the same thing (was posted on here). I was and still am skeptical of that study because it's been the only source. I do think that some THC stays in the water, but how much? I don't believe it is anything substantial.
That study is bullshit! I use much less weed with my bong than I do smoking any joint, and become many times higher.
My lungs and throat clog up less with a bong, both immediately following and well after extensive usage. When I smoke joints I develop a hack that lasts weeks after weekly usage, and nothing like that happens with bongs.
Also, I want to see the sources for the 'recent research' regarding bongs.
I want to know who these Experts are, as their claims make them seem like anything but experts.
[URL]http://www.ukcia.org/research/pipes.php[/URL]
Not a recent study, but i can't find any reason why that isn't a very valid source.
You're going to get higher from a bong hit because you're taking much more than you would with say a pipe or joint. All of this really makes sense if you think about it
Also an interesting study: [URL]http://www.dassa.sa.gov.au/webdata/resources/files/MONOGRAPH8.pdf[/URL]
edit: these sources are definitely not bullshit
^ what he said. the main reason you get higher because of pipes and bongs is because ur toking a big amount in 1 hit which is different from taking small hits over a period of 5 to 15 minutes.
[QUOTE=Qwerty?;22162317]Also an interesting study: [URL]http://www.dassa.sa.gov.au/webdata/resources/files/MONOGRAPH8.pdf[/URL][/QUOTE]
That's a pretty interesting study. The amount of THC doesn't seem to be predictable at all with joints or bongs. But there definitely seems to be a large increase in tar with bongs.
[quote]Under these standard conditions it was found
that the samples in the burning cone of the water pipe would not stay alight between puffs.
Consequently, the water pipes were tested under the same puff volume and puff duration, but
at a six second puff interval.[/quote]
I can perhaps see this as a source of error or something that needs to be covered more. Perhaps due to the longer puff interval more tar is allowed to vaporize due to the higher temperature.
[QUOTE=Zeemlapje;22177693]^ what he said.[/QUOTE]
No, that's what I said.
[QUOTE=Pepin;22153751]With a bong, there is a lot more smoke inhaled which means a lot more THC in the lungs, and because of this a much larger portion of THC will be absorbed due to diffusion.[/QUOTE]
The website is simply concerned with the Tar to THC ratio.
Since you are already ingesting Tar, why not ingest the greatest amount of THC possible with it.
Joints are much more efficient when comparing them to bongs. There are virtually no remnants of bud left over. That's because all of it is used. This means you get higher, quicker; with less time spent in a smoking session.
The water in a bong can, not only house bacteria, but absorb THC along with the Tar. This means you would need to smoke more bud in a bong than in a J to get an equal high. More bud means more Tar to reach same high.
[QUOTE=Pepelucho;22209941]The water in a bong can, not only house bacteria, but absorb THC along with the Tar. This means you would need to smoke more bud in a bong than in a J to get an equal high. More bud means more Tar to reach same high.[/QUOTE]
not only does bong water not absorb tar (have you used a bong, incidently?), the amount of thc it absorbs is irrelevant. if the site were concerned with tar-to-thc, then a bong is still the most efficient; less tar and more thc content.
needs more info
Yeah, I'm gonna call bullshit.
omg everyone should know smoking a bowl out of a bong gets you more high than smoking a joint. More smoke at once = more thc + less oxygen to the brain. Therefore bong > joint
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(although that's a super dumbed down, simplistic way of putting it)
[QUOTE=Pepelucho;22209941]The website is simply concerned with the Tar to THC ratio.
Since you are already ingesting Tar, why not ingest the greatest amount of THC possible with it.
Joints are much more efficient when comparing them to bongs. There are virtually no remnants of bud left over. That's because all of it is used. This means you get higher, quicker; with less time spent in a smoking session.
The water in a bong can, not only house bacteria, but absorb THC along with the Tar. This means you would need to smoke more bud in a bong than in a J to get an equal high. More bud means more Tar to reach same high.[/QUOTE]
Have you ever even used a bong? If I use 0.3 in a bong and a gram in a joint, I get higher from the bong.
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