46 year old woman who raped 13 year old boy spared jailtime - Polidicks

[quote]A woman has been spared jail after she admitted to raping her daughter's 13-year-old boyfriend. Elaine Goodman, 46, faced up to 15 years in prison but was sentenced to two years' probation. But while a judge at Kent County Superior Court in Delaware said her action was "an aberration", he did not think jailing her was the answer. Goodman pleaded guilty to fourth degree rape, acknowledging that she met the boy after he snuck out of his home in the early hours of one morning in March 2015. After driving around for a while, the boy revealed in an interview that the pair had become intimate and she "took his you-know-what and put it in her you-know-what," according to court documents. Goodman, of Dover, Delaware, was arrested in November 2015 after police examined text messages she had exchanged with a friend, including one that said: "I asked him what in the world are u doing with a body like that at 13". She told the court: "I know sorry is just a word, but I really am. I know I hurt people and that is terrible." Passing the light sentence Judge Robert Young said she had been compassionate in looking after her elderly parents and community members. "This came out of the blue," he said. "The crime is egregious and affected the victim and his family, which was taken into account. But incarceration is not the answer."[/quote] [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/woman-rape-daughters-13-year-old-boyfriend-elaine-goodman-spare-jail-2-years-probation-kent-county-a7526186.html[/url]

But incarceration totally is the answer? What the fuck is that judge thinking?

I don't know how I feel about the alternative punishment but I agree with not jailing her. It would throw her daughter's life into more disarray then it already is, and would ultimately be more of a punishment for her than the mother.

It's like a sick parody of those Hillshire Farm commercials. When I say "gender" you say "Bias" GENDER! BIAS! BE FREE! :v:

[QUOTE=Azaer;51670919]I don't know how I feel about the alternative punishment but I agree with not jailing her. It would throw her daughter's life into more disarray then it already is, and would ultimately be more of a punishment for her than the mother.[/QUOTE] Okay, but her mother is a child molester who is probably still a danger to society. If a man deserves to be jailed for the same crime, regardless of anyone who might be affected, so does a woman.

This is sickening. Not only should she be jailed for a long time, her daughter should also be taken away. She's unfit to be a parent.

[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;51670941]It's like a sick parody of those Hillshire Farm commercials. When I say "gender" you say "Bias" GENDER! BIAS! WALK FREE![/QUOTE] If the situation had been exactly the same but it was a 13 year old girl and a 46 year old man would the outcome have been the same?

What the fuck. As terrible as this article is, I'm still mind-boggled at "4th degree rape".

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;51670959]What the fuck. As terrible as this article is, I'm still mind-boggled at "4th degree rape".[/QUOTE] What's mind boggling about that?

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51670965]What's mind boggling about that?[/QUOTE] It honestly doesn't sound like an actual thing. Like, it almost sounds like a joke phrase, but here it is as a legal term. I mean I also am shocked that there are "degrees" of rape. It's one of those things that I thought was more clear-cut than this, honestly.

[QUOTE=E7Fan;51670951]If the situation had been exactly the same but it was a 13 year old girl and a 46 year old man would the outcome have been the same?[/QUOTE] The short answer is no. The long answer HELL NO.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;51670959]What the fuck. As terrible as this article is, I'm still mind-boggled at "4th degree rape".[/QUOTE] It's not like 1st/2nd/3rd degree murder where the degrees indicate how planned it was. 4th degree rape means that it was sex involving a minor, and the person was of adult age. Delaware law: [quote]Rape in the first degree includes sexual intercourse with a victim younger than 12 years old, when the defendant is 18 years old or older. Rape in the second degree includes sexual contact involving some penetration (however slight) with a victim younger than 12 years old, when the defendant is 18 years old or older. Rape in the third degree involves sexual intercourse or penetration with a victim who is 15 or younger when the defendant is at least ten years older than the victim. Rape in the fourth degree involves sexual intercourse or penetration with a victim who is 15 or younger, or when the victim is younger than 18 and the defendant is 30 years old or older. Unlawful sexual contact in the first degree involves sexual contact with a victim who is 13 or younger. Unlawful sexual contact in the second degree involves sexual contact with a victim who is 14 or 15 when the defendant was more than four years older than the victim. (11 De. Code Ann. § 770, 771, 772, 773, 768, 769.)[/quote]

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51670979]It's not like 1st/2nd/3rd degree murder where the degrees indicate how planned it was. 4th degree rape means that it was sex involving a minor, and the person was of adult age.[/QUOTE] Ah, ok I was just confused because in those instances it's normally just called what it is, this is the first time I've heard of "degrees" in a rape cases.

Meanwhile, a 24 years old teacher in texas who had a sexual relationship with 13 years old student got 10 years.

[QUOTE=E7Fan;51670951]If the situation had been exactly the same but it was a 13 year old girl and a 46 year old man would the outcome have been the same?[/QUOTE] I don't think it would be. It's worth noting that 4th degree rape isn't necessarily without de facto consent, just without legal consent - since, de jure, someone below the age of 16 can not legally give consent. That might have been a factor when passing the sentence. I mean, it's not out of the realm of possibility that a boy during puberty wants to have sex. I find it very, very unlikely however that a girl of that age would have given said "de facto consent". Boys and Girls are different, after all. Not that I'm an apologist for either scenario.

[QUOTE=SirJon;51671020]I don't think it would be. It's worth noting that 4th degree rape isn't necessarily without de facto consent, just without legal consent - since, de jure, someone below the age of 16 can not legally give consent. That might have been a factor when passing the sentence. I mean, it's not out of the realm of possibility that a boy during puberty wants to have sex.[/QUOTE] Yeah, only a boy during puberty doesn't have a developed frontal cortex, which means he can't understand all the consequences of having sex. This is fine when you're talking about two 13 year olds. There's no power imbalance between them, no severe difference in life experience, so one taking advantage of another isn't very likely (though still possible). Here, we have a fully developed 46 year old purposefully going after a 13 year old in order to have sex with them. That just speaks of manipulation and coercion to me, even if it's more emotional coercion instead of physical coercion.

[QUOTE=Mr.Brown;51670999]Meanwhile, a 24 years old teacher in texas who had a sexual relationship with 13 years old student got 10 years.[/QUOTE] let me first ask what your point is before i fully respond to this

If you're adult you should not have sex with underage kids. Even if they "consent". A boy wanting sex is not a reason to fuck said boy. The fact that people think it's ok because of that is just really bizarre. Kids don't know what's good for them. As an adult you should know that you fucking them is most likely not good for them. [editline]14th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51671052]let me first ask what your point is before i fully respond to this[/QUOTE]Gender bias. Women always get far lessened or no sentence for fucking little boys while men get decades of prison. They both should be locked up. The fact that a mother gets off scott free(probation is a joke) for this sort of crime is just wrong.

"I'm sorry" doesn't excuse child rape.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51671054]Gender bias. Women always get far lessened or no sentence for fucking little boys while men get decades of prison. They both should be locked up. The fact that a mother gets off scott free(probation is a joke) for this sort of crime is just wrong.[/QUOTE] Quoting this for future reference. I don't want to call out Mr.Brown for something he didn't say.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51671071]Quoting this for future reference. I don't want to call out Mr.Brown for something he didn't say.[/QUOTE] Is he wrong? I can recall a number of times ive seen news threads just like this in SH over the years, and on news sites.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51671116]Is he wrong?[/QUOTE] Depends. I want to hear what Mr. Brown says.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51671071]Quoting this for future reference. I don't want to call out Mr.Brown for something he didn't say.[/QUOTE] What? Why? I mean there are exceptions to the rule, but generally I thought it was well established that women normally get FAR more lenient sentences for sex related offenses when compared to males.

Actually I should stop dancing around this and get to the point. I'm just going to assume that Mr. Brown had good intentions and was either referring to another Texas teacher who got 10 years for raping a 13 year old, or his point is something else. [QUOTE=Mr.Brown;51670999]Meanwhile, a 24 years old teacher in texas who had a sexual relationship with 13 years old student got 10 years.[/QUOTE] The 24 year old teacher in texas who had a sexual relationship with a 13 year old student who got 10 years was this man. [t]http://i.imgur.com/ZEVJSNj.png[/t] [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/21/texas-teacher-who-had-sex-almost-daily-with-13-year-old-student-could-face-decades-in-prison[/url] I mean woman. She was a female teacher who received a high sentence because they had sex almost every day for 9 months, ended up getting pregnant plus abortion, was a teacher, and was convicted in texas. Yesterday, she received a 10 year sentence for pleading guilty when the defense argued that she should only get probation. The woman in the OP got a lighter sentence because the judge acknowledged her contributions to the community, knew that she made a mistake, and it wasn't as fucked up as the Texas case.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51671191]Yesterday, she received a 10 year sentence for pleading guilty when the defense argued that she should only get probation. [/QUOTE] I would've loved to be a fly on the wall during that court hearing.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51671191][Cut out a lot to make it shorter] The woman in the OP got a lighter sentence because the judge acknowledged her contributions to the community, knew that she made a mistake, and it wasn't as fucked up as the Texas case.[/QUOTE] I could understand that if we weren't talking about rape. But we are. Not saying that you agree with the judge in this case, I just get sick of judges using "contributions to the community" as reasons to give rapists lighter sentences (as in the Brock Turner case).

[QUOTE=Penultimate;51670943]Okay, but her mother is a child molester who is probably still a danger to society. If a man deserves to be jailed for the same crime, regardless of anyone who might be affected, so does a woman.[/QUOTE] Sex offenders have some of the lowest recidivism rates as well as unusually effective psych evals that can determine their likelihood of reoffending. You are also completely unaware of all of the background information uncovered by the psi. Meanwhile prison may dramatically increase the chance of reoffending.

[QUOTE=GunFox;51671453]Sex offenders have some of the lowest recidivism rates as well as unusually effective psych evals that can determine their likelihood of reoffending. You are also completely unaware of all of the background information uncovered by the psi. Meanwhile prison may dramatically increase the chance of reoffending.[/QUOTE] Certainly! But this doesn't seem like she'll get the help that she needs. It just seems like a slap on the hand because she's a woman. But you're right that I don't know the whole picture.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51671522]She isnt gonna get the help she needs in prison either[/QUOTE] At least in prison she won't be raping anyone

[QUOTE=Penultimate;51671231]I could understand that if we weren't talking about rape. But we are. Not saying that you agree with the judge in this case, I just get sick of judges using "contributions to the community" as reasons to give rapists lighter sentences (as in the Brock Turner case).[/QUOTE] I really don't want to go down this road but the Brock Turner case is different from this case.