The features are cool as fuck but I wonder how much money those features add to the overall cost of the car.
a lot of the features being questionable to begin with.
I love Tesla's but I don't like how much they've jammed into the onboard screen. Not everything needs to be on it...
[QUOTE=TrannyAlert;52865201]I love Tesla's but I don't like how much they've jammed into the onboard screen. Not everything needs to be on it...[/QUOTE]
Its really one of the few things that make me a bit doubtful about the car even though its a near perfect package. A simple speed gauge wouldn't have hurt.
[QUOTE=darth-veger;52865205]Its really one of the few things that make me a bit doubtful about the car even though its a near perfect package. A simple speed gauge wouldn't have hurt.[/QUOTE]
A windshield HUD would really help, even as an option.
Also couldn't they at least put emergency levers in the rear doors aswell?
I don't know why they chose to put things ono the screen that could've easily be a button but on the other hand if my complaints reach THAT level, well.
I want one.
[QUOTE=Kecske;52865227]A windshield HUD would really help, even as an option.
Also couldn't they at least put emergency levers in the rear doors aswell?[/QUOTE]
It made me laugh when it said that using the manual levers too much could damage the window
what a fucking poor design flaw
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also the rear window, even my shitbox 1997 vw golf had a rear window that fully lowered
Styling wise, I like the overall profile and that blue paint is properly good. I like how the charger is hidden under the tail light. However, those chrome window surrounds are too thick (but would look much better without them at all) and the wheels are rather gaudy. The wheel problem isn't unique to Tesla though; Doug once reviewed a Porsche Panamera, which had really hideous wheels.
I can understand that the speedo will be in your peripheral vision while you're driving, but there should at least be an option for a HUD, like what even bloody Chevrolets have had for years. But I still believe that a traditional speedo would be better, merely because you can better judge your rate of acceleration with a climbing needle, as opposed to a number going up. As for the screen in general, I noticed on several occasions that Doug had to tap the screen multiple times for it to do what he wanted, probably because of slight miss-tapping of small buttons; I can imagine that it would become very frustrating. You should never be distracted by something inside your car while you're driving, but to do 90% of things, you'd need to direct your eyes to the screen, which can be very dangerous.
The thing about the indicator stalk automatically returning as soon as it is released is really dumb. I can imagine that a lot of owners will be too lazy to hold it in place for the entire duration of time from when they start to indicate that they want to change their position on the road, until they finished moving. It's already bad enough that many people can't indicate properly, but this car certainly doesn't make it any easier.
I haven't driven anything with a lot of touch screen controls, but isn't using a touch interface for everything really dangerous?
I mean feeling physical buttons is what allows me to do things while still watching the road. I feel like I would always have to avert my eyes to do anything on a touch screen.
[QUOTE=BF;52865386]Styling wise, I like the overall profile and that blue paint is properly good. I like how the charger is hidden under the tail light. However, those chrome window surrounds are too thick (but would look much better without them at all) and the wheels are rather gaudy. The wheel problem isn't unique to Tesla though; Doug once reviewed a Porsche Panamera, which had really hideous wheels.
I can understand that the speedo will be in your peripheral vision while you're driving, but there should at least be an option for a HUD, like what even bloody Chevrolets have had for years. But I still believe that a traditional speedo would be better, merely because you can better judge your rate of acceleration with a climbing needle, as opposed to a number going up. As for the screen in general, I noticed on several occasions that Doug had to tap the screen multiple times for it to do what he wanted, probably because of slight miss-tapping of small buttons; I can imagine that it would become very frustrating. You should never be distracted by something inside your car while you're driving, but to do 90% of things, you'd need to direct your eyes to the screen, which can be very dangerous.
The thing about the indicator stalk automatically returning as soon as it is released is really dumb. I can imagine that a lot of owners will be too lazy to hold it in place for the entire duration of time from when they start to indicate that they want to change their position on the road, until they finished moving. It's already bad enough that many people can't indicate properly, but this car certainly doesn't make it any easier.[/QUOTE]
You don't have to hold it in place the entire time you're turning, it will stay on and auto cancel like any other car, the stalk just doesn't stay in place. It's the same way BMW's stalk works and people like to make fun of it but I got used to it really quickly and you barely even notice it's there.
My biggest problem with this car is the focus on the center screen. There should still be a screen in front of you and it should just work the exact way Audi's Virtual Cockpit does. And more importantly, the climate controls and volume knob should definitely be physical buttons and knobs. Touchscreens are good but the main quirk they have is that you have to look at them to use them, you can't feel around to make sure your finger is in the right place, so if you want to adjust the temperature, you have to look at the screen and keep tapping away until it's at the temperature you want, while you should be able to just reach down while still looking at the road, feel around until you grab the knob, and turn it however many clicks in each direction you want, no need to take your eyes off the road, no danger. Same goes with the volume knob, anything most people adjust regularly.
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;52865516]I haven't driven anything with a lot of touch screen controls, but isn't using a touch interface for everything really dangerous?
I mean feeling physical buttons is what allows me to do things while still watching the road. I feel like I would always have to avert my eyes to do anything on a touch screen.[/QUOTE]
While driving, what is the difference between pushing a button and a touch screen to change for example the radio or a direction on the GPS with the exception of physical presence.
[QUOTE=darth-veger;52865720]While driving, what is the difference between pushing a button and a touch screen to change for example the radio or a direction on the GPS [B]with the exception of physical presence.[/B][/QUOTE]
"What's the difference except the main difference"
Physical presence is the important bit :v:
It lets you feel your way to the buttons without looking
[QUOTE=Paul-Simon;52865799]"What's the difference except the main difference"
Physical presence is the important bit :v:
It lets you feel your way to the buttons without looking[/QUOTE]
Looking at the footage of people driving, seems people have no issue with it but then again they might be a bit biased.
Looks kind of nice, what sort of bumper to bumper warranty does it come with though?
[QUOTE=Kecske;52865227]A windshield HUD would really help, even as an option.
Also couldn't they at least put emergency levers in the rear doors aswell?[/QUOTE]
Yeah the windshield HUD would be perfect for this minimalist setup.
It would also solve the indicator problem
[QUOTE=darth-veger;52865720]While driving, what is the difference between pushing a button and a touch screen to change for example the radio or a direction on the GPS with the exception of physical presence.[/QUOTE]
The same reason there's little bumps on the "F" and "J" keys of a keyboard.
It's so depressingly minimalist on the inside.
The more I see of this car, the more terrible its design seems to me
[QUOTE=darth-veger;52865829]Looking at the footage of people driving, seems people have no issue with it but then again they might be a bit biased.[/QUOTE]
Please open this page and try typing this post again without looking or eyes closed please.
[QUOTE=Killuah;52866659]Please open this page and try typing this post again without looking or eyes closed please.[/QUOTE]
That's not nearly the same. You can feel the buttons. Do it on your phone instead.
[QUOTE=Killuah;52866659]Please open this page and try typing this post again without looking or eyes closed please.[/QUOTE]
people get good at typing on touch keyboards as well. it's certainly harder but i don't think it's that much worse imo
[QUOTE=343N;52866740]people get good at typing on touch keyboards as well. it's certainly harder but i don't think it's that much worse imo[/QUOTE]
You still have to be looking at your phone to type well. I've never seen someone blindly type legible sentences on a smartphone.
Never a fan of big screens in cars because im a grumpy old man who likes buttons and switches
[QUOTE=Protocol7;52865836]Looks kind of nice, what sort of bumper to bumper warranty does it come with though?[/QUOTE]
Hey, does anyone know if Doug has a page at Autotrader.com where I can learn more about his thoughts of the car, and his Model 3 experience?
Is this the one with the solar charging unit?
do any teslas have solar charging unit? i think i remember tesla/elon saying they're practically useless
[QUOTE=343N;52866740]people get good at typing on touch keyboards as well. it's certainly harder but i don't think it's that much worse imo[/QUOTE]
the point is that you don't have to look with physical buttons, not that you can't type
[QUOTE=Killuah;52867288]the point is that you don't have to look with physical buttons, not that you can't type[/QUOTE]
i feel like muscle memory can compensate for this somewhat
I've had a touch screen entertainment system in my truck for years and I don't think it would be super difficult to adapt to a full screen. Realistically speaking I never use 95% of the touch screens features while driving. Set up bluetooth before starting/find radio station/etc. What else you gotta do with it? Can't even control stuff with the steering wheel buttons on my truck since it's after market radio but in my dad's truck the stuff is super sleek. You're not gonna be fidgeting through tabs while driving.
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Hardest part will be blindly using the buttons on the bottom but if you use your fingers to guide your hand along the bottom edge of the screen you'll eventually develop a feel for it. In my truck I can rest my middle finger on the bottom of the screen and then use my index finger to accurately push the radio station buttons without looking.
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If there was a speedo in front of the driver they could put the AC/Radio controls on the top of the screen, and then you'd be able to rest your hand on the top and slide it around to access the buttons. (if you wanted to go the extra mile, you could even have tactile bumps on the back/rim of the screen that tell you what each is, but this would obvs mean they'd never be able to move the buttons around in updates)
I'm sure it's doable, but at the very least it's not any more convenient. Which is the point of implementing new technology like that right?
Not sure how forcing people to take their eyes off the road until they develop extremely particular muscle memory to do the same tasks as before is considered progress. Strikes me as more of a marketing-driven decision than anything else.
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