[url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/23/arizona-killer-still-alive-an-hour-after-execution-begins[/url]
[quote]A convicted killer gasped on the gurney as the state of Arizona attempted to execute him on Wednesday, before being declared dead almost two hours after the process began.
Lawyers for Joseph Wood attempted to halt the execution in an emergency court motion, saying he had been "gasping and snorting for more than an hour". The state attorney general announced Wood had died before the court could rule on the motion.
The developments echoed the botched execution of Clayton Lockett, who writhed and groaned on a gurney for nearly 45 minutes before eventually dying of a heart attack. The two-hour process in Wood's case appeared certain to revive the arguments surrounding the death penalty in the US, as a shortage of execution drugs has forced states to use untried methods and unregulated drugs.
The office of the Arizona attorney general, Tom Horne, said Wood was pronounced dead at 3.49 pm local time, one hour and 57 minutes after the execution started.[/quote]
He made his decision when he killed his girlfriend and her father, I have no sympathy for someone like that.
No fan of the death penalty but honestly these "humane" methods are turning out to be disastrous
Just do firing squad or even 100x better, scrap the death penalty
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;45480450]He made his decision when he killed his girlfriend and her father, I have no sympathy for someone like that.[/QUOTE]
With people like you no reason world isn't a better place.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;45480450]He made his decision when he killed his girlfriend and her father, I have no sympathy for someone like that.[/QUOTE]
And killing him is going to bring them back?
Let him rot in prison for life without the possibility of parole
oh boy here we go
christ that's awful, just shoot the poor fuckers instead of trying botched human experimentation.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;45480450]He made his decision when he killed his girlfriend and her father, I have no sympathy for someone like that.[/QUOTE]
We have a responsibility to be better than the people we imprison and execute. Torturing somebody for 2 hours is not a good way to set an example of how a civilized society should behave. What he did was abhorrent but there is no reason for us to sink to his level.
[QUOTE=SexualShark;45480530]oh boy here we go[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE]The two-hour process in Wood's case appeared certain to revive the arguments surrounding the death penalty in the US, [B]as a shortage of execution drugs has forced states to use untried methods and unregulated drugs.[/B][/QUOTE]
Im sorry, you either use the real thing or not at all.
The Execution Drugs exist for a reason, to Humanely kill a human being.
Its even worse that they were "Experimenting" on it for fucks sake.
If they really have to do this, why not just put them to sleep with common medical anesthetics and then whatever to stop the heart?
[QUOTE=Noss;45480567]We have a responsibility to be better than the people we imprison and execute. Torturing somebody for 2 hours is not a good way to set an example of how a civilized society should behave. What he did was abhorrent but there is no reason for us to sink to his level.[/QUOTE]
Is instead throwing him for life in a low life prison or killing him by firing squad any more "civilized"? Arguably life in prison is a much worse torture than 2 hours of botched death penalty. I'm sorry but putting a living being in a box for life is not humane or civilized, no matter how much you want to play a moral high horse.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;45480475]No fan of the death penalty but honestly these "humane" methods are turning out to be disastrous
Just do firing squad or even 100x better, scrap the death penalty[/QUOTE]
Hasn't it been said that the death penalty costs more than keeping the person alive?
if i was on death row i would pretend that the execution was botched and i would fake screaming in pain as i die peacefully
-snip i give up with SH really can't be bothered with the inevitable shitstorms anymore-
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;45480475]No fan of the death penalty but honestly these "humane" methods are turning out to be disastrous
Just do firing squad or even 100x better, scrap the death penalty[/QUOTE]
If I ever did something to deserve the death penalty (which I wouldn't) I'd request firing squad. It seems far more dignified and symbolic than sitting in a chair and getting injected with goop
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;45480450]He made his decision when he killed his girlfriend and her father, I have no sympathy for someone like that.[/QUOTE]
We can go back and forth all day on the morality/justification of the death penalty itself, but I don't see any justification for effectively torturing someone to death. Really, if the death penalty is going to continue to be used (at least for now) then the means to execute the person should be either A) Painless or B) Instantaneous. Anything more just feels sadistic, no matter how horrible the crime.
[QUOTE=Noss;45480620]And now you're putting words in my mouth and creating an argument out of nothing by adding in a factor that I had never discussed. Congratulations![/QUOTE]
Thanks but I am not putting shit in your mouth. You talk about us not sinking to his level and we are not since death penalty is not even close to murder of two people. You don't propose any actual solutions, you just express a problem everyone is aware of and that everyone keeps repeating. The prison part is not referring to you but to people who think death is immoral and somehow prison for life is oh so civilized and morally sound.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;45480517]And killing him is going to bring them back?
Let him rot in prison for life without the possibility of parole[/QUOTE]
I agree with you about the death penalty but I honestly don't like it when people like you say that it's better to keep them alive because it prolongs their pain.
[editline]oh hamburgers[/editline]
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45480642]Thanks but I am not putting shit in your mouth.[/quote]
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45480583]Is instead throwing him for life in a low life prison or killing him by firing squad any more "civilized"?[/quote]
That's putting shit into his mouth. He proposed neither of those as solutions.
-snip i give up with SH really can't be bothered with the inevitable shitstorms anymore-
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;45480450]He made his decision when he killed his girlfriend and her father, I have no sympathy for someone like that.[/QUOTE]
Constitutional protections should be respected no matter what the circumstances are. Barring the state from cruel and unusual punishments doesn't come with the exception "unless he's a really bad guy".
So you don't need to be sympathetic to recognize this is wrong.
That's pretty fucked up. We're already on the same list as a bunch of barbaric 3rd world countries that still execute people. Now, we torture and execute people. Even better...
[quote]Lawyers for Joseph Wood attempted to halt the execution in an emergency court motion, saying he had been "gasping and snorting for more than an hour".[/quote]
That's just horrible.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;45480517]And killing him is going to bring them back?
Let him rot in prison for life without the possibility of parole[/QUOTE]
That is stupid, that is just waiting for him to die naturally. Why not just kill him now?
[QUOTE=Noss;45480651]I never mentioned prison or the ethics of the death penalty. I mentioned the fact that letting somebody suffer in agonizing pain for 2 hours during their death was wrong because the user I was replying to didn't understand that.
I'm going to stop replying to you now.[/QUOTE]
The prison part is not referring to you. Do you read?
[QUOTE=Noss;45480651]As I said I'm not going to continue replying through creating a new post.
What has happened below is that itsjuly has now taken the position that his reply to me was in fact not intended to apply to me, despite the fact he implied I that was "no matter how much you want to [U]play[ing] a moral high horse[/U]."[/QUOTE]
You're still replying to him even if you're not clicking the reply button.
[editline]oh hamburger[/editline]
Feel free to post a thread about this in the General Discussion forum.
They euthanize animals routinely all over the world and yet they can't even kill a single human being?
Why can't they just use the same drugs?
-- EDIT
Found this:
[quote]Though lethal injection of prisoners has obvious parallels to EBI, the protocol is different. And this is no coincidence. As states were considering the adoption of lethal injection during the 1970s, they consulted with veterinarians. Ultimately, though, legislators ignored the advice of vets, who recommended the use of a single anesthetic drug, sodium pentobarbital. Instead, states uniformly adopted a three-drug protocol. Three drugs are administered, one immediately after the other: sodium thiopental (an anesthetic), pancuronium bromide (a paralytic), and potassium chloride (which stops the heart). According to an analysis by Ty Alper in the Fordham Urban Law Journal, the reason the three-drug protocol was adopted had much to do with animals: legislators were afraid that the public would object to "treating people the same way we're treating animals." Ironically, though, the three-drug protocol turns out to be far less reliable, and far less humane than the single-drug method.[/quote]
[url]http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-dogs-go-heaven/201112/animal-euthanasia-and-capital-punishment-some-uncomfortable-compariso[/url]
And some people still support the death penalty...
Why dont we just go back to the gas chamber but instead of the gas they used, use CO2.
Edit:
Not CO2, but N
[QUOTE=Maloof?;45480622]If I ever did something to deserve the death penalty (which I wouldn't) I'd request firing squad. It seems far more dignified and symbolic than sitting in a chair and getting injected with goop[/QUOTE]
your body can actually spasm horribly after you've been shot iirc so i wouldn't really call it dignified. there's not many upstanding things about getting blasted to bits by ten dudes
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