Law could force Mississippi's only abortion clinic to close - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Anti-abortion protesters set up their signs outside the Jackson Women's Health Organization and regularly preach their beliefs to anyone who will listen. They pray the clinic will close. Their prayers may soon be answered. Clinic owners are in a fight to save the only abortion clinic operating in the state of Mississippi. New state requirements may close their doors forever, making Mississippi the first abortion-free state. "I want to say over my dead body, but I'm afraid," said clinic owner and president Diane Derzis. "We're going to do whatever it takes to keep servicing the women of Mississippi," she said. A state law that takes effect Sunday requires all of a clinic's abortion providers to be certified OB/GYN's, and all of them must have privileges at a local hospital. July 1 brings new, sometimes quirky laws "I think the intent is to make sure that women who are receiving these abortions are receiving abortions by a professional physician who is certified," said state Rep. Sam Mims, who sponsored the legislation. "If something goes wrong, which it might -- we hope it doesn't, but it could -- that physician could follow the patient to a local hospital. That's the intent. And what happens afterwards, we'll have to see what happens," he told CNN.Mississippi has been one of the toughest states on the abortion rights movement. The state already has laws requiring a 24-hour waiting period, as well as parental consent if the patient seeking an abortion is a minor. "All of that is wrapped in that cloak of conservative religion," said W. Martin Wiseman, director of the Stennis Institute of Government at Mississippi State University. "You'll find very few legislators, regardless of whether they are white, black, Democrat or Republican who will say, 'I'm pro-abortion,'" Wiseman said. Gov. Phil Bryant signed the bill with the new requirements into law in April after the Republican-dominated legislature overwhelmingly passed it. "It's historic. Today you see the first step in a movement, I believe, to do what we campaigned on -- to say that we're going to try to end abortion in Mississippi," Bryant said at the bill-signing event. Bryant signs bill tightening restrictions on abortion providers The clinic says it is trying to comply. All of its doctors are OB/GYNs who travel in from other states. But only one can practice at a local hospital. The new law states that all doctors in a clinic must have hospital privileges. Officials at the Jackson clinic say they're trying to gain privileges at Jackson-area hospitals but that the cumbersome process and red tape has forced them to file suit. They've gone to federal court to try to get an injunction that would allow them to stay open while they fight the new law. The court has not yet ruled on their motion. The Mississippi Department of Health says it will inspect the clinic on Monday for compliance. If the clinic cannot meet the new state law requirements, then it will have the right to appeal and begin an administrative process that could take several months. But, Derzis says, employees would be subject to arrest and fines of up to $2,000 a day if the clinic stays open. So, it would essentially be forced to close. "It's an absolute tragedy," Derzis said. "No one wants to talk about abortion. No one wants to think about abortion until they're there," she said. "There are three reasons you have an abortion: Rape, incest and 'mine.' I hear that all the time: 'You know, I don't believe in abortion, but, now it's my kid,'" she told CNN's George Howell. Mississippi voters reject anti-abortion initiative But the law's sponsor says the law is about having the proper license to operate, and if that law closes the only abortion clinic in the state, then so be it. "I'm very pro-life, Mims said. "I believe life begins at conception. And I think a lot of Mississippians do, as well. If this legislation causes less abortions, then that's a good thing." Derzis believes that this was the real intent of the newly elected Republican majority -- to end abortion in the state, not to improve women's health care. "I love that it's white, old men, making those statements," she said. "We've been able to be with women at a time in their lives where they are in crisis, when they need to have something done and need that support. That's why it has to be available. It has to be," she said. "This is not about safety. This is about politics. Politics do not need to be in our uterus."[/QUOTE] from CNN [URL="http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/30/us/mississippi-abortion-clinic/index.html?hpt=hp_t1"]Source[/URL]

Land of the free.

[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;36571609]Land of the free.[/QUOTE] And home of the nutcases.

[quote]"Politics do not need to be in our uterus."[/quote] Well said. No one should decide whether or not a woman should have an abortion except for the woman herself.

[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;36571609]Land of the free.[/QUOTE] This gets old after the seventeen hundredth "Civil liberties violated in America" thread.

[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;36571609]Land of the free.[/QUOTE] Freedom works both ways, anti-abortion protesters have the freedom to protest, and in this case, they won. Don't be idiotic and assume that because someone you don't like wins means that there is no freedom, appreciate that any side is able to win.

[QUOTE=slayer20;36571622]Well said. No one should decide whether or not a woman should have an abortion except for the woman herself.[/QUOTE] Blasphemy! Looks like Mississippi is the first to go.

I don't like abortions, so I'm gonna make sure no one else can have one! (But, secretly, if need be, I'd probably do anything necessary to get one!)

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;36571676]This gets old after the seventeen hundredth "Civil liberties violated in America" thread.[/QUOTE] See, the joke is that "Land of the free" is a US motto, but then they do things that aren't free at all! [editline]1st July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Clementine;36571678]Freedom works both ways, anti-abortion protesters have the freedom to protest, and in this case, they won. Don't be idiotic and assume that because someone you don't like wins means that there is no freedom, appreciate that any side is able to win.[/QUOTE]Brb, protesting to have a soldering iron shoved up Clementine's ass.

Pro-life people are vile and disgusting. They take away the last place to perform abortions in a safe and controlled fashion by people who are highly trained and know what they're doing. Good job, you'll totally have less abortions... Wrong! Now you're going to start having desperate and scared women doing crazy things like coat hanger abortions and fucking it up. The end result is they either end up dead or hospitalized from severe internal organ damage. So you replace a dead lump of cells with a human being, good job idiots.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;36571720]See, the joke is that "Land of the free" is a US motto, but then they do things that aren't free at all! [editline]1st July 2012[/editline] Brb, protesting to have a soldering iron shoved up Clementine's ass.[/QUOTE] This is a state, not the federal government, lmao

[QUOTE=Clementine;36571678]Freedom works both ways, anti-abortion protesters have the freedom to protest, and in this case, they won. Don't be idiotic and assume that because someone you don't like wins means that there is no freedom, appreciate that any side is able to win.[/QUOTE] Freedom doesn't mean taking other peoples freedoms.

[QUOTE=Clementine;36571678]Freedom works both ways, anti-abortion protesters have the freedom to protest, and in this case, they won. Don't be idiotic and assume that because someone you don't like wins means that there is no freedom, appreciate that any side is able to win.[/QUOTE] But this isn't freedom for the women, it's forcefully shoving your cock (personal views) down their throats.

[QUOTE=Clementine;36571678]Freedom works both ways, anti-abortion protesters have the freedom to protest, and in this case, they won. Don't be idiotic and assume that because someone you don't like wins means that there is no freedom, appreciate that any side is able to win.[/QUOTE] I've actually got to agree. Freedom includes freedom of expression. The Occupy guys protesting the government are, in the eyes of legality, are no different than anti-abortion guys protesting the government. America was MADE so that if the people protest, then the government should listen. You can't pick and choose which protests to listen to. By the way, I'm in favor of abortion before you call me a crazy conservative.

Am I the only one that doesn't actually hate Republicans for being pro-Life? I'm pro-Choice myself but I can at least see why they choose to be pro-life, protecting human life is something that is pretty important to me and there isn't a definite point where a fertilized egg becomes a human being. It's just a shame that so many of them are complete hypocrites when it comes to supporting the death penalty. But the ones that legitimately want to protect human life, I can have some respect for.

[QUOTE=Clementine;36571678]Freedom works both ways, anti-abortion protesters have the freedom to protest, and in this case, they won. Don't be idiotic and assume that because someone you don't like wins means that there is no freedom, appreciate that any side is able to win.[/QUOTE] there's a reason we have things in place to protect the minority if the majority wanted slavery again does that mean there's more freedom if it's implemented?

[QUOTE=Mingebox;36571720]See, the joke is that "Land of the free" is a US motto, but then they do things that aren't free at all! [/QUOTE] Yeah its a shitty overused "joke" that's not even correct. Take the issue illustrated in this article, to us (Americans from different parts of the country) we see an injustice. But in Mississippi, where there are a lot of pro-lifers, especially in the State gov. they do not see an injustice. Democracy is organized chaos. There is always a battle between State gov. v. Federal gov. or Democrat v. Republican. That's because the idea of freedom means different things to different people and different political parties disagree on ways to preserve and ensure freedom. Both parties agree that America is the land of the free, but compare their ideas of freedom and how it should be limited or not limited and there will be stark differences. Also you're using the national motto to mock the actions of one state. But whatever, totally ignore the 49 other states of the union.

And yet nobody believed me when I said Abortion was still a serious issue.

[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;36571796]I've actually got to agree. Freedom includes freedom of expression. The Occupy guys protesting the government are, in the eyes of legality, are no different than anti-abortion guys protesting the government. America was MADE so that if the people protest, then the government should listen. You can't pick and choose which protests to listen to. By the way, I'm in favor of abortion before you call me a crazy conservative.[/QUOTE] Except freedom of expression has jack shit to do with what's okay for the government to do, hence why the government can't sodomize people with circuitry tools no matter how many people protest for it.

[QUOTE=Clementine;36571678]Freedom works both ways, anti-abortion protesters have the freedom to protest, and in this case, they won. Don't be idiotic and assume that because someone you don't like wins means that there is no freedom, appreciate that any side is able to win.[/QUOTE] You don't get some free pass to take away the freedom of other people if more people share your views or are louder about your views than your "opponents" views. It's pretty twisted that you would even think that this is how the concept of freedom works. You essentially just demonstrated that you think the idea of freedom is to stomp all over the minority party. Good job.

[QUOTE=Clementine;36571678]Freedom works both ways, anti-abortion protesters have the freedom to protest, and in this case, they won. Don't be idiotic and assume that because someone you don't like wins means that there is no freedom, appreciate that any side is able to win.[/QUOTE] Freedom isn't governed by majority rule. Taking away someone else's choice is not freedom. You do not "win" freedom by forcing your beliefs on others and making them do or not do what you want.

[QUOTE=Trainbike;36571946]You don't get some free pass to take away the freedom of other people if more people share your views or are louder about your views than your "opponents" views. It's pretty twisted that you would even think that this is how the concept of freedom works. You essentially just demonstrated that you think the idea of freedom is to stomp all over the minority party. Good job.[/QUOTE] To be fair, women are the majority of the population, but somehow pro-choice still wins so I don't think its some sort of "majority beating up minority" thing

Ironically, Mississippi needs the most abortion clinics.

[QUOTE=slayer20;36571622]Well said. No one should decide whether or not a woman should have an abortion except for the woman herself.[/QUOTE] Well I personally think the potential father should get to have [I]a little[/I] say in it. At least in some cases. But ultimately the mother's choice of course.

[QUOTE=Clementine;36571678]Freedom works both ways, anti-abortion protesters have the freedom to protest, and in this case, they won. Don't be idiotic and assume that because someone you don't like wins means that there is no freedom, appreciate that any side is able to win.[/QUOTE] ???freedom to take away others freedoms???

[QUOTE=Clementine;36571746]This is a state, not the federal government, lmao[/QUOTE] Don't tell that to any foreigners, they are too thick to tell the difference.

[QUOTE=DamagePoint;36571825]Am I the only one that doesn't actually hate Republicans for being pro-Life? I'm pro-Choice myself but I can at least see why they choose to be pro-life, protecting human life is something that is pretty important to me and there isn't a definite point where a fertilized egg becomes a human being. It's just a shame that so many of them are complete hypocrites when it comes to supporting the death penalty. But the ones that legitimately want to protect human life, I can have some respect for.[/QUOTE] In that same mindset, we may as well ban condoms because every time we have sex it should have the potential to lead to new life. I personally don't see the difference between wearing a condom and getting an abortion in early stages. Late stage abortion, I can see, but not early stage. It makes no sense. It's the woman's right to choose what she wishes to do with her body, not the government's. [editline]1st July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=King Tiger;36573334]Don't tell that to any foreigners, they are too thick to tell the difference.[/QUOTE] Oh, please. Let's generalize everybody else in the world, eh?

[QUOTE=Clementine;36571678]Freedom works both ways, anti-abortion protesters have the freedom to protest, and in this case, they won. Don't be idiotic and assume that because someone you don't like wins means that there is no freedom, appreciate that any side is able to win.[/QUOTE] Somehow I don't think 'freedom' includes the freedom to suppress people you don't like.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;36573334]Don't tell that to any foreigners, they are too thick to tell the difference.[/QUOTE] take a chill pill dude

[QUOTE=Clementine;36571678]Freedom works both ways, anti-abortion protesters have the freedom to protest, and in this case, they won. Don't be idiotic and assume that because someone you don't like wins means that there is no freedom, appreciate that any side is able to win.[/QUOTE] ever heard of "freedom ends where another person's begins"? the point is its taking the women's right to an abortion in that area.