Sony lawyers now targeting anyone who posts PlayStation 3 hack
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[quote][B]Sony is threatening to sue anybody posting or “distributing” the first full-fledged jailbreak code for the 4-year-old PlayStation 3 gaming console.[/B]
What’s more, the company is demanding that a federal judge order Google to [URL="http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2011/02/googlehotz.pdf"]surrender the IP addresses and other identifying information[/URL] (PDF) of those who have viewed or commented about the jailbreak video on a private YouTube page. The game maker is also demanding that Twitter provide the identities of a host of hackers who first unveiled a limited version of the hack in December.
Sony’s aggressive pretrial discovery demands come in its lawsuit against George Hotz. The [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hotz"]21-year-old New Jersey hacker[/URL], who is well known in the jailbreaking community, published the finished PlayStation 3 code and a how-to YouTube video last month. The code allows the Playstation 3 to play pirated and homebrewed games.
Sony wants the information “to determine the identities of third parties hosting and distributing the circumvention devices” so Sony can send them a DMCA notice to remove the material “and, if necessary, [URL="http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2011/02/hotzexpedition.pdf"]seek appropriate relief from this court[/URL].” (PDF)
“The discovery they call for in my opinion is overbroad,” Hotz’ attorney, Stewart Kellar, said in a telephone interview.
Sony declined comment.
A hearing is tentatively set for Wednesday. Sony filed its documents about 7:30pm PST on Friday.
US District Judge Susan Illston ordered Hotz to remove the YouTube video and the code from his personal website—orders to which Hotz complied with last week. Ahead of an unscheduled trial in which Sony is seeking unspecified damages from Hotz, Illston had concluded that Hotz likely breached the [URL="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/10/ten-years-later/"]Digital Millennium Copyright Act[/URL]. He did so by publishing or "distributing" a hack designed to circumvent software meant to protect copyrighted material, the judge said.
Hotz, by order of Illston, is also scheduled to [URL="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/01/hacker-challenging-sony/"]surrender his computer gear[/URL] to Sony by Thursday. Kellar is trying to convince Judge Illston to back away from allowing Sony to examine his drives and other devices.
Sony is also trying to haul the so-called “[URL="http://www.ps3-hacks.com/2011/01/12/all-of-fail0verflows-ps3-tools-released/"]failOverflow hacking team[/URL]” into court. But first, Sony needs to learn the identities and whereabouts of the group’s members. They are accused of posting a rudimentary hack in December. It was refined by Hotz weeks later when he accessed the console’s so-called “metldr keys,” or root keys that trick the system into running unauthorized programs
Toward getting the FailOverflow defendants to appear into court, Sony is demanding that Twitter divulge the personal account information (PDF) behind the usernames of @KaKaRoToKS, @gnihsub, @pytey, @bl4sty, @marcan42 and @failOverflow.
Sony claims the hacks will eat into game sales for the 41 million PS3 units sold.
The DMCA makes it either a civil or criminal offense to traffic in wares meant to circumvent devices protecting copyrighted works. Ironically, performing a similar hack on a mobile phone is lawful.
Last summer, the US Copyright Office [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/us-government-jailbreaking-iphone-legal/story?id=11254253"]exempted cell phone jailbreaking[/URL] from being covered by the DMCA. The decision means consumers may run the apps of their choice on mobile phones without fear of being civilly or criminally liable for a DMCA breach.[/quote]
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Seriously, everyone and their mother has the hack now.
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shit shit you prick now im gonna get sued by sony were gonna be poor
Should be changed to "Sony Lawyers Now Targeting 98% of Customers"
Can you REALLY sue someone for viewing videos on Youtube?
All I can say, really, is stop being butthurt and get on with your ps4.
So other than the upcoming "durr hurr sony hate posts", what else is new?
It was obvious that this was going to happen. Once Sony was able to get that restriction/lawsuit/whatever against Hotz, they went on to other targets.
Who can blame them honestly? They are a business and they have to do what they believe is correct. It may not be "right" but who's to say?
Sony always handles shit like this with the grace of a drunk ape.
:foxnews: :siren: [b][i]THIS JUST IN! SONY DECIDES TO SUE EVERY PERSON WHO OWNS A PS3![/i][/b] :siren: :foxnews:
[QUOTE=Datsun;27936657]So other than the upcoming "durr hurr sony hate posts", what else is new?
It was obvious that this was going to happen. Once Sony was able to get that restriction/lawsuit/whatever against Hotz, they went on to other targets.
Who can blame them honestly? They are a business and they have to do what they believe is correct. It may not be "right" but who's to say?[/QUOTE]
It's not right, thus the [i]hurr durr sony hate posts[/i]. Pretty obvious.
Why the fuck don't they get up off their arses and make an update making this hack impossible?
Again, I don't get what Sony is trying to accomplish after the floodgate has already been open. I guess if nothing else, they're trying to intimidate people to avoid future hacking incidents with the NGP/PSP2.
[QUOTE=Nightsure;27936977]Why the fuck don't they get up off their arses and make an update making this hack impossible?[/QUOTE]
I was under the impression that this was more or less impossible to fix; in fact the latest PS3 update was just a security update, and a work around was released on the same day. Expect a long back and forth struggle between Sony releasing new security updates and hackers bypassing them.
Okay, Sony is now being epically retarded. Not surprising, but still should really just not do it. I wish corporations would stop trying this stupid shit.
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;27936704]Sony always handles shit like this with the grace of a drunk ape.[/QUOTE]
Everyone corporation handles this stuff with the grace of a drunk ape.
[QUOTE=Swilly;27938190]Okay, Sony is now being epically retarded. Not surprising, but still should really just not do it. I wish corporations would stop trying this stupid shit.
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Everyone corporation handles this stuff with the grace of a drunk ape.[/QUOTE]
I think Nintendo took it quite well.
[QUOTE=Inspector Jones;27937136]Again, I don't get what Sony is trying to accomplish after the floodgate has already been open. I guess if nothing else, they're trying to intimidate people to avoid future hacking incidents with the NGP/PSP2.
I was under the impression that this was more or less impossible to fix; in fact the latest PS3 update was just a security update, and a work around was released on the same day. Expect a long back and forth struggle between Sony releasing new security updates and hackers bypassing them.[/QUOTE]
What the hell does the hack even do?
Sorry been living under a rock.
[QUOTE=Agent_Wesker;27940112]I think Nintendo took it quite well.[/QUOTE]
I didn't know they were even aware of it. They usually don't say anything about piracy until recently with their "breakthrough" with the 3DS
Wasn't their security just one code that was randomly generated? If so, I'm surprised it wasn't hacked sooner.
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;27940809]Wasn't their security just one code that was randomly generated? If so, I'm surprised it wasn't hacked sooner.[/QUOTE]
They only started trying to hack after the other OS option was removed.
[QUOTE=Kimaru;27940673]What the hell does the hack even do?
Sorry been living under a rock.[/QUOTE]
It allows you to run unofficial code on official firmware, this can be used for piracy, but more often than not it is actually used for home-brew and emulators. Heck I have doom heretic and a homebrew helecopter assault game on my psp due to this so called "hack".
hEY GUYS REMEMBER THIS
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jesus christ it's like sony knows nothing about the internet
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;27940809]Wasn't their security just one code that was randomly generated? If so, I'm surprised it wasn't hacked sooner.[/QUOTE]
It took a while due to the fact it was hidden pretty deep and this is something which is almost never found and was left in by either shortsightedness or idiocy.
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Dammit auto-merge....
[QUOTE=DinoJesus;27940809]Wasn't their security just one code that was randomly generated? If so, I'm surprised it wasn't hacked sooner.[/QUOTE]
Nope. The huge flaw in their security was that they didn't use a random number, meaning their "security code" (private key) could be calculated with basic algebra.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;27940994]Nope. The huge flaw in their security was that they didn't use a random number, meaning their "security code" (private key) could be calculated with basic algebra.[/QUOTE]
They used a random number
that was generated once and then reused over and over
Oh no! I accidentally saw it on facepunch and accidentally saved it to my computer.
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oh fuck oh fuck I got OP's IP reporting to Sony
I really don't recommend posting that code because it's fairly easy to get peoples IPs from facepunch if you know what you're doing. Not totally confident that's Star's IP though.
This is why current copyright laws are outdated and irrelevant in the technological age. If you want people to pay for IP then you should have it be worth the money.
[QUOTE=Agent_Wesker;27940112]I think Nintendo took it quite well.[/QUOTE]
Not really. They did quite a few updates to the Wii in the past to prevent or at least reduce piracy. None of the "fixes" worked unfortunately. They quieted down some after releasing 4.2 which was pretty much a rushed and buggy update that updated boot2 to boot2v4. The update had the potential of bricking unmodded Wiis. The Nintendo forums were set ablaze with complaints with mods/admins removing the complaints.
I think one of the reasons sony is going after this so strongly is it's ironically cheaper to do so. They've invested so much time and money into the PS3 that they've effectively shoved themselves deep into the negative before they even got close to a model that could be released. They're still losing money so any PS3 sales at the moment are effectively eating away at that loss. They (probably) fear that if piracy becomes rife on the PS3 it'll either slow down their recovery or simply not recover any finances at all (seeing as [I]clearly[/I] one pirated download is a lost sale).
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