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VERACRUZ, Mexico — Soldiers and police killed 22 people in counter-drug operations in three different Mexican states, officials said, as the Mexican Navy announced it was taking over security in the busy port of Veracruz.The developments highlight the Mexican military's key role in cracking down on the country's violent drug cartels. More than 45,000 people have been killed in drug-related violence in Mexico since December 2006, when the government launched a military-led crackdown on the cartels.In Panuco, the eastern state of Veracruz state, eight suspected traffickers were killed in fighting with members of an army unit, army commander Carlos Aguilar said without adding further details.In another incident in the same state, two suspected traffickers were killed in a clash with the army in the town of Coatzintla, Aguilar added.The federal government two months ago sent military and police reinforcements to Veracruz, on the Gulf of Mexico, which has been rocked by violence blamed on the Zetas cartel.The Zetas -- former hitmen for the Gulf cartel -- have spread fear with kidnappings and killings across Mexico and also in Guatemala in recent years.Late Wednesday the Navy announced it was taking over security duties in Veracruz -- Mexico's busiest Atlantic port -- and nearby Boca del Rio, where 35 bodies, apparent victims of turf battles among drug cartels, were found in the streets in September.State spokeswoman Gina Dominguez said that navy personnel would carry out police duties, while members of the now-disbanded local police could join the federal police force.To the west in Sinaloa state, on the Pacific coast, prosecutors said six suspected drug traffickers were killed in army and police operations in the towns of Guasave and Ahome that rescued a kidnapped businessman and several workers.Guadalupe Miranda, known as the "King of Beans," had been abducted along with relatives and workers by gunmen demanding part of his crop and a cash payment as ransom.Prosecutors did not say how many workers were rescued along with Miranda.And in the western state of Jalisco, six gunmen were killed in a clash with police Wednesday near the town of Milpillas, the state Public Security office said.A gun battle broke out when police on patrol in a rural area came upon a group of suspicious men, who opened fire, according to a statement released by office, which said 15 gunmen fled.[/release]
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I find it amazing how many gun fights they can name in Mexico. That's a pretty big list for a well established country. Just a few years ago this would have been unheard of.
It's unfortunate that 22 cartel members dead doesn't even come close to the amount of civilian/law enforcement lives lost. They probably only knocked off the bottom 22... Someday, maybe, we'll be able to help them out.
here's how you crack down on drug cartels:
1. legalise drugs
[QUOTE=Sanius;33840120]here's how you crack down on drug cartels:
1. legalise drugs[/QUOTE]
That won't really slow them down. Right now they make a ton of money off things like human trafficking, armed robbery, kidnapping, prostitution, gun smuggling... It isn't a real solution.
[QUOTE=SilentOpp;33840129]Yeah man, it's not like the cartels make most of their money off incredibly dangerous drugs like heroin or things like human trafficking/prostitution/kidnapping,armed robbery/gun smuggling, legalize drugs - solve Mexico's problems.[/QUOTE]
thanks for the snarky comment
drugs cartels wouldn't exist if drugs were legalised. selling and consuming drugs is a victimless crime.
I said nothing about kidnapping and gun smuggling
im all for legalizing all types of drugs, it makes it easier for me to identify and ridicule those who use them
[QUOTE=Sanius;33840141]thanks for the snarky comment
drugs cartels wouldn't exist if drugs were legalised. selling and consuming drugs is a victimless crime.
I said nothing about kidnapping and gun smuggling[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry. =(
It just gets me when people blame their rise to power on drugs, or point to legalization as a solution, when they participate in so many horrible crimes. Just Wikipedia the Zetas and you'll get a laundy list of things like extortion, money laundering, 'protection' services... I will admit that making harmless drugs will slightly lower their profit margins, but they won't go away, if anything they will fight harder to protect existing avenues of income.
What I'm saying is they are more than just drug cartels, the only reason they are called that is because that is the picture the media paints of them.
Fixed my stupid post. Sorry for my innapropriate reaction.
[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33840167]im all for legalizing all types of drugs, it makes it easier for me to identify and ridicule those who use them[/QUOTE]
Why would you ridicule people who use drugs?
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;33840197]Why would you ridicule people who use drugs?[/QUOTE]
for the same reason people are ridiculed for being gamers or liking my little pony
[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33840269]for the same reason people are ridiculed for being gamers or liking my little pony[/QUOTE]
do you ever go outside?
[QUOTE=Sanius;33840328]do you ever go outside?[/QUOTE]
i do, actually, its shocking to hear that people disagree with you isn't it ? :)
not everyone needs drugs to enjoy themselves
[QUOTE=Sanius;33840120]here's how you crack down on drug cartels:
1. legalise drugs[/QUOTE]
Oh my god yes, all mexicos trouble have now been solved thanks to some 18 year old in United states! I'm surprised nobody has thought of this before!
No, stop saying this, It's wrong.
[QUOTE=Sanius;33840141]thanks for the snarky comment
drugs cartels wouldn't exist if drugs were legalised. selling and consuming drugs is a victimless crime.
I said nothing about kidnapping and gun smuggling[/QUOTE]
did you even read what he said? Going by your logic we should make armed robbery, prostitution, human trafficking and gun smuggling legal then cartels would be gone :downs:
[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33840342]i do, actually, its shocking to hear that people disagree with you isn't it ? :)
not everyone needs drugs to enjoy themselves[/QUOTE]
And that makes it right to ridicule for people taking drugs how?
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[QUOTE=DarkZero135;33840466]did you even read what he said? Going by your logic we should make armed robbery, prostitution, human trafficking and gun smuggling legal then cartels would be gone :downs:[/QUOTE]
Im afraid that in his logic he says it is a victimless crime and all those crimes you just mentioned have victicms. Although I do agree that legalising drugs won't get rid of cartels, however it will cut into their profits by a hefty amount.
[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33840342]i do, actually, its shocking to hear that people disagree with you isn't it ? :)
not everyone needs drugs to enjoy themselves[/QUOTE]
yeah you're right
you dont need video games to enjoy yourself either
or the internet
or television
or books
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also i think you're dumb
Quickly lets ridicule people who like books and television!
Jesus Christ, 45,000 people.... That's hard to fathom
He's right. If drugs were legal way back then there would be very little in the way of organized crime in Mexico. Legalizing drugs may not eliminate them now, but it will improve conditions.
[QUOTE=The Decoy;33841254]He's right. If drugs were legal way back then there would be very little in the way of organized crime in Mexico. Legalizing drugs may not eliminate them now, but it will improve conditions.[/QUOTE]
No it wouldn't have.
Marijuana isn't getting any closer to becoming legal because of all the implications that would bring.
Right now, the federal government can enforce drug laws through the interstate commerce clause. Legalizing marijuana would mean the federal government is giving every kind of law that is based around interstate commerce the possibility of becoming void.
Not a big deal, right? Right, except for the fact that lots of super important stuff like the Civil Rights Act could become null and void.
Legalising drugs wouldn't stop the cartels, they'd simply find another service to offer, and as said the Zetas do things like human trafficking and gun smuggling.
They would probably still offer drugs anyways, might be cheaper than legal options, and there will always be a person (such as a teenager) who wouldn't legally be allowed to use such drugs (if there is an age limit on them if introduced).
The drug cartels are really groups of 18 year old kids from favelas with a serious drug addiction and guns. It doesn't really change anything that thye killed another 22 who were probably expendable meatshields.
The real problem are the bosses.
[QUOTE=DarkZero135;33840466]did you even read what he said? Going by your logic we should make armed robbery, prostitution, human trafficking and gun smuggling legal then cartels would be gone :downs:[/QUOTE]
notice I how I said drug cartels, not cartels in general. DRUG cartels would not exist if drugs were legalised.
it's really frustrating how nerds in ITN love to start arguments by twisting peoples words
I'm honestly surprised that the UN or whoever were more concerned about Libya than this. Mexico seems like it needs help a lot more than the middle east.
[QUOTE=Sanius;33844935]notice I how I said drug cartels, not cartels in general. DRUG cartels would not exist if drugs were legalised.
it's really frustrating how nerds in ITN love to start arguments by twisting peoples words[/QUOTE]
It's usually because they're either dumb as fuck and want you to believe as them, or they just don't know what the hell they're talking about and want to keep to the side of the argument they like.
[QUOTE=Sanius;33840120]here's how you crack down on drug cartels:
1. legalise drugs[/QUOTE]
Yeah, no. If anything it will make drug cartels even more powerful because the police won't be able to do anything against them, yet they will keep going with their usual fear policy.
Legalizing something doesn't immediately solve all the problems around it.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;33845206]Yeah, no. If anything it will make drug cartels even more powerful because the police won't be able to do anything against them, yet they will keep going with their usual fear policy.
[/QUOTE]
yes which is why there are so many coffee and sugar cartels
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your post makes even less sense now that I think about it. why would the police "have to" do anything about drug cartels if drugs were legalised?
[QUOTE=Sanius;33845216]yes which is why there are so many coffee and sugar cartels[/QUOTE]
Coffee and sugar aren't drugs. Also Coffee and sugar never were illegal in the first place.
Cigarettes are legal, yet a lot of people are smuggling them between countries to buy them at a lower price.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;33845260]Coffee and sugar aren't drugs.[/QUOTE]
yes they are. they are both common stimulants.
my point was that you don't see drug cartels killing each other over coffee and sugar, because they are both legal and easily accessible. the same would be true for most if not all drugs if they were legalised.
[QUOTE=Sanius;33845290]yes they are. they are both common stimulants.[/QUOTE]
Bitch please.
Also cartels would STILL kill each other over drugs if you legalize them. If it's not for the distribution of the drugs it would still be for the production of them.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;33845303]
Also cartels would STILL kill each other over drugs if you legalize them.[/QUOTE]
yes but they would eventually die out. same shit happened with alcohol during the prohibition.
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