[url]http://www.yumasun.com/news/sheriff-70412-wellton-county.html[/url]
[quote]Clint Norred, Yuma police spokesman, has confirmed that five people have been killed in a series of shootings around Yuma County. One other victim has been injured and airlifted to a Phoenix-area hospital.
Norred said the shootings are connected, and are currently under investigation.
Four of the fatal shootings took place out in the county, Norred said, while the fifth person was killed in Yuma.
Norred would not confirm the identity of any of the victims, but attorneys in the downtown Yuma area confirmed the Yuma victim was attorney Jerrold Shelley, who was shot and killed.
Norred also wouldn't confirm if the suspect was alive or dead. However, traffic on the police scanner said the suspect in the shootings had taken his own life.
The Yuma County Sheriff's Office was called to the first scene this morning, when the body of a woman was found in a yard at Avenue 35-1/2E and Old Highway 80. Initial reports on the police scanner said the woman may have suffered a gunshot wound.
Then, around 9:21 a.m., the Yuma Police Department responded to a shooting in the 300 block of 2nd Avenue in Yuma, which is where Shelley was killed.[/quote]
And it just got reported on Fox national news (the reporter reported it completely wrong, said the Yuma shooting happened minutes after the Wellton shooting, Wellton is about half an hour away, especially from the area the first shooting took place)
I live here (Wellton) and the entire town was in lockdown, the gas stations, schools, restaurants, it's a pretty small town. I only knew one of the victims because the others haven't been released yet, but she was a bus driver from our school. My father was friends with the attorney though.
He apparently killed himself but right now there are a lot of rumors as to what's going on. I'll post more when there's an update.
Update:
He's confirmed dead, here's a picture of his car.
[img]http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/110602-yuma-hmed-2p.grid-6x2.jpg[/img]
New updated source:
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43256351/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/dead-yuma-ariz-shootings/?GT1=43001[/url]
[quote]
YUMA, Ariz. — A 73-year-old gunman apparently upset over a divorce case went on a shooting spree Thursday around Yuma county, Ariz., killing at least five people including himself, officials said.
A sixth person was injured and flown to a Phoenix-area hospital.
The Yuma Sun identified the shooter as Carey Hal Dyess of Yuma. Dyess was found in the area of Blaisdell and Highway 95 around 11:35 a.m. by Yuma County Sheriff's deputies.
One fatally shot victim was attorney Jerrold Shelley, colleagues told the Yuma Sun. Shelley was found at his law office in downtown Yuma, a city of 91,000 along the Colorado River near the Mexican border.
Yuma police spokesman Clint Norred told the Sun that the shootings were connected, but he would not confirm the identities of all the victims.
Four fatalities took place in the county.
Details of the incident were sketchy, but Krieger and police said the shootings unfolded at six different locations in and around the city.
Krieger said the gunman's motive was not entirely clear but that he was believed to be upset over a divorce case.
Court records show Dyess was involved in two civil court cases, one in Yuma and one in nearby Wellton. A judge issued an order of protection against Dyess in one of the cases in 2006, and a court clerk said it stemmed from Dyess' wife divorcing him.[/quote]
Out in the county = where I live, one of them wasn't far from where I live.
[QUOTE=Mother Fucker;30204496](the reporter reported it completely wrong, said the Yuma shooting happened minutes after the Wellton shooting, Wellton is about half an hour away, especially from the area the first shooting took place)[/QUOTE]
Hey, just because the shootings happened [I]45[/I] minutes apart doesn't mean they didn't happen minutes apart. :foxnews:
God dammit, don't give the government another reason to take away our right to arms
[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;30204789]God dammit, don't give the government another reason to take away our right to arms[/QUOTE]
they aren't taking your guns away
stop being so paranoid
rip
[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;30204789]God dammit, don't give the government another reason to take away our right to arms[/QUOTE]
its not possible
Fucking crazies.
[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;30204789]God dammit, don't give the government another reason to take away our right to arms[/QUOTE]
Eh, only thing "political" I can see people pulling out of this is if it ends this is some how related to drugs, then it'll tangent into border security. From what has been released though it doesn't seem to involve drugs.
One of the quotes from the MSN comment of course...
"Gunz are great ..no need for any change
AS always,"
He was a 73 year old who was bitter over a divorce, killed his ex and everyone involved in the divorce in court.
I'd only met him once and he seemed like a really nice guy, but you never know. I knew his ex and one of the other victims pretty well, as I said my dad worked with the attorney quite a lot and he's pretty upset. I still don't know who the others were.
Oh wait, he's 73. Better let him go you know how FP doesn't care about old criminals.
Why do the crazy fucks always have to kill everyone around them then kill themselves?
Seems like a real dick move bringing them with you.
Faggot old man.
[QUOTE=JDK721;30205315]they aren't taking your guns away
stop being so paranoid[/QUOTE]
after jared lee loughner had his little shooting gallery at the tuscon grocery store they attempted to outlaw "high capacity" magazines that carried more than 10 bullets, and new york sent undercover cops to legally buy weapons at a gun show without registering them (you dont have to register for private sale), and as a result, people outside arizona thought it was a big scandal that you could buy guns without registering at a gun show. its quite valid to worry about gun ownership crackdowns whenever a shooting happens, because anti-gun activists will use any negative incident that has a gun in the mix as cannon fodder.
i cant believe a 73 year old man did this
i thought it was cartels the moment i read the title.
Poor Arizona
Sounds like the score is 1:5 to Yuma.
[QUOTE=RBM11;30207609]Oh wait, he's 73. Better let him go you know how FP doesn't care about old criminals.[/QUOTE]
He killed himself.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;30207849]after jared lee loughner had his little shooting gallery at the tuscon grocery store they attempted to outlaw "high capacity" magazines that carried more than 10 bullets, and new york sent undercover cops to legally buy weapons at a gun show without registering them (you dont have to register for private sale), and as a result, people outside arizona thought it was a big scandal that you could buy guns without registering at a gun show. its quite valid to worry about gun ownership crackdowns whenever a shooting happens, because anti-gun activists will use any negative incident that has a gun in the mix as cannon fodder.[/QUOTE]
regarding the high capacity mags, very few people pushed for the ban, and it died out after a few weeks. it was simply another knee jerk reaction. no one's taking your guns, and regardless, putting restrictions on guns =/= removing the right to bear arms
source needed regarding the gun sting
[QUOTE=JDK721;30210706]regarding the high capacity mags, very few people pushed for the ban, and it died out after a few weeks. it was simply another knee jerk reaction. no one's taking your guns, and regardless, putting restrictions on guns =/= removing the right to bear arms
source needed regarding the gun sting[/QUOTE]
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/undercover-arizona-gun-show-probe-new-york-investigation-weapons/story?id=12802796[/url]
[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;30210751][url]http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/undercover-arizona-gun-show-probe-new-york-investigation-weapons/story?id=12802796[/url][/QUOTE]
[quote]A New York City undercover investigation at a Phoenix, Ariz., gun show found that despite the mass murder and apparent assassination attempt of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson, Ariz., earlier this month in which a semi-automatic handgun with an extended clip was used, [B]buyers who likely wouldn't pass a background check[/B] can still easily purchase similar weapons.
[B]In two instances, captured on video, private sellers were willing to sell a semi-automatic handgun to undercover investigators who told them they "probably couldn't pass" a background check.[/b]
[b]In the instances in which the buyers said they likely would not pass a background check, the omission should have immediately stopped the sale, officials said, because even though unlicensed occasional sellers are not required to run background checks using the FBI database, it is a federal felony for them to sell guns to people they have reason to believe are prohibited purchasers. [/quote][/B]
[QUOTE=JDK721;30210787][/B][/QUOTE]
Because they couldn't have said it jokingly and then had the quote taken out of context by a biased party or anything. They had no reason to believe they weren't allowed to purchase them.
[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;30210809]Because they couldn't have said it jokingly and then had the quote taken out of context by a biased party or anything[/QUOTE]
uhh, these are undercover officers who are specifically seeing whether people will sell to them after telling them they're not legally eligible to own firearms
here are the two videos:
[url]http://youtu.be/_jZupCp0q1M[/url]
[url]http://youtu.be/SkBKRxSrCzU[/url]
[QUOTE=JDK721;30210877]uhh, these are undercover officers who are specifically seeing whether people will sell to them after telling them they're not legally eligible to own firearms
here are the two videos:
[url]http://youtu.be/_jZupCp0q1M[/url]
[url]http://youtu.be/SkBKRxSrCzU[/url][/QUOTE]
I saw nothing with the first one that would make the seller suspicious, the guy laughs when he's blatantly saying it in a tone that sounds sarcastic, not to mention you deal with weird people all the time selling shit like that. As long as he was an Arizona resident, there would be no problem with him buying the gun.
And with the second one also, the guy sounds like he's just being sarcastic to make conversation.
[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;30211004]I saw nothing with the first one that would make the seller suspicious, the guy laughs when he's blatantly saying it in a tone that sounds sarcastic, not to mention you deal with weird people all the time selling shit like that. As long as he was an Arizona resident, there would be no problem with him buying the gun.
And with the second one also, the guy sounds like he's just being sarcastic to make conversation.[/QUOTE]
if you have any reason to believe a person is prohibited from buying a firearm then you legally are NOT ALLOWED to sell a firearm to them
they specifically told them that they probably couldn't pass a background check. as soon as the seller heard that the transaction should've been ceased.
[QUOTE=JDK721;30211158]if you have any reason to believe a person is prohibited from buying a firearm then you legally are NOT ALLOWED to sell a firearm to them
they specifically told them that they probably couldn't pass a background check. as soon as the seller heard that the transaction should've been ceased.[/QUOTE]
I fail to see how that matters, I can easily see how what the guy said could have been interpreted sarcastically as I said before, and just a means of trying to make small talk.
[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;30211219]I fail to see how that matters, I can easily see how what the guy said could have been interpreted sarcastically as I said before, and just a means of trying to make small talk.[/QUOTE]
watch this video as well: [url]http://youtu.be/AJmpjpdcHN8[/url]
the sellers clearly heard what he said, and some of them even replied "I don't care" and "I probably couldn't pass one either"
your point is void
[QUOTE=JDK721;30211225]watch this video as well: [url]http://youtu.be/AJmpjpdcHN8[/url]
the sellers clearly heard what he said, and some of them even replied "I don't care" and "I probably couldn't pass one either"
your point is void[/QUOTE]
So now tell me, if we have all of this clear evidence of what's happening, and it's coming from the people that want to take away guns to begin with, why is it such an impossibility that they could succeed with it?
[QUOTE=Bigby Wolf;30211399]So now tell me, if we have all of this clear evidence of what's happening, and it's coming from the people that want to take away guns to begin with, why is it such an impossibility that they could succeed with it?[/QUOTE]
there's absolutely no way they could succeed with removing the right to bear arms. they COULD put restrictions on guns, but even that would be very tough because it possibly could be political suicide for them
but let's make one thing clear, putting restrictions on firearms is ALLOWED and is NOT unconstitutional. why does everyone think that any type of restriction on firearms is an attack on the second amendment?
[QUOTE=JDK721;30211529]there's absolutely no way they could succeed with removing the right to bear arms. they COULD put restrictions on guns, but even that would be very tough because it possibly could be political suicide for them
but let's make one thing clear, putting restrictions on firearms is ALLOWED and is NOT unconstitutional. why does everyone think that any type of restriction on firearms is an attack on the second amendment?[/QUOTE]
Not being allowed to dance at the Jefferson Memorial is a blatant violation of constitutional rights, but that happened. Why not this? You seem to forget that if the government really wants it to happen, it's going to happen. *cough*WMDinIraq*cough*
a better question is why does anybody think the second amendment should still exist or even the constitution
it's full of amendments that don't apply to the modern world and only serve to make the U.S. constantly go backwards
[QUOTE=Sanius;30211624]a better question is why does anybody think the second amendment should still exist or even the constitution
it's full of amendments that don't apply to the modern world and are only serve to make the U.S. constantly go backwards[/QUOTE]
Yes, let's just take away all of our rights, nothing will go wrong there.
Why not take away human rights too? I mean, those are old as shit too.
[QUOTE=JDK721;30211158]if you have any reason to believe a person is prohibited from buying a firearm then you legally are NOT ALLOWED to sell a firearm to them
they specifically told them that they probably couldn't pass a background check. as soon as the seller heard that the transaction should've been ceased.[/QUOTE]
When you're trying to sell something like that and make money, you're not going to go hunting and pecking LOOKING for reasons why you shouldn't be able to sell it. Especially with a tone like that, there's no way anyone would have reason to believe they were being serious. You're watching this KNOWING that it's an undercover sting, looking for reasons they're guilty of something. At the time no one would have thought anything of it, and if you were in his place at the time you'd have done the same thing.
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