The Iraqi Army is massacring civilians, beheading people, and torturing prisoners. And bragging abou - Polidicks

[url]http://abcnews.go.com/International/dirty-brigades-us-trained-iraqi-forces-investigated-war/story?id=29193253[/url] [QUOTE] U.S.-trained and armed Iraqi military units, the key to the American strategy against [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/world/isis.htm"]ISIS[/URL], are under investigation for committing some of the same atrocities as the terror group, American and Iraqi officials told ABC News. Some Iraqi units have already been cut off from U.S. assistance over "credible" human rights violations, according to a senior military official on the Pentagon's Joint Staff. The investigation, being conducted by the [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/iraq/iraqi-government.htm"]Iraqi government[/URL], was launched after officials were confronted with numerous allegations of “war crimes,” based in part on dozens of ghastly videos and still photos that appear to show uniformed soldiers from some of [B]Iraq's most elite units and militia members massacring civilians, torturing and executing prisoners, and displaying severed heads. [/B] The videos and photos are part of a trove of disturbing images that ABC News discovered has been circulating within the dark corners of Iraqi social media since last summer. In some U.S. military and Iraqi circles, the Iraqi units and militias under scrutiny are referred to as the "dirty brigades." The Iraqi military is key to the U.S. strategy to fight ISIS and stop its atrocities, which have outraged the world. The U.S. is shipping almost $1 billion in weapons, as well as providing U.S. military trainers to instruct new Iraqi recruits. A special operations official in Baghdad, however, said it’s the government of Iraq that decides — not the Pentagon — which Iraqi units get U.S.-donated weapons, such as 43,000 M4 rifles and thousands of other light infantry weapons Congress approved for shipment in December. American troops are not known to be operating on the ground in combat in Iraq or Syria. No Americans are shown in the images or footage ABC News has found, nor have any Americans been implicated in any of the alleged atrocities. [/QUOTE] Our "allies" are murdering people with US-supplied weapons and bragging about it on social media. Not just Shia militias, but Iraqi special forces personally trained by the US. Maybe we should reel in our cheerleading a little bit.

yeah i knew something was up when i saw pages i was following like this one [url]https://instagram.com/iraq_s.w.a.t._[/url] posting videos of iraqi soldiers executing captured fighters and parading cut off heads [editline]13th March 2015[/editline] some gnarly shit going on in the world, one of the videos showed them executing a fighter that didn't look any older than 18-19 years old

well that's just fucking great isn't it

I'm pretty sure the Kurds are the only ones we can trust in this conflict at this point.

Is there anyone besides the Kurds in the Middle East that hasn't lost their minds and doesn't consider brutality?

[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;47318654]I'm pretty sure the Kurds are the only ones we can trust in this conflict at this point.[/QUOTE] You mean the same Kurds that are [URL="http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/video-anti-arab-march-held-kurds-erbil-397174944"]assaulting refugees[/URL] and [URL="http://www.hrw.org/news/2015/02/25/iraqi-kurdistan-arabs-displaced-cordoned-detained"]turning Arabs into second class citizens[/URL]? I'm not suggesting that the Kurds are just as bad, I'm suggesting that trying to sort this conflict into good guys and bad guys who we can accept and reject on those terms isn't going to work.

So basically Ukraine all over again, instead on meth and krokodil.

None of this would be happening if we hadn't completely dismantled the Iraqi military and then did a half assed attempt to rebuild it.

We should arm the next country over so they can invade and clean up

Iraqi army is all Shia and is invading the Sunni region held by ISIS What was to be expected? [editline]13th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=doomevil;47318670]Is there anyone besides the Kurds in the Middle East that hasn't lost their minds and doesn't consider brutality?[/QUOTE] Maybe Jordan? Maybe

[QUOTE=benzinxrm;47318752]None of this would be happening if we hadn't completely dismantled the Iraqi military and then did a half assed attempt to rebuild it.[/QUOTE] al-Maliki dismantled it for all that counts. Sunni units in Mosul wouldn't have fled if they were getting paid and their prime minister didnt want them all to die and was probably planning on having their commanders arrested anyways, if thry hadn't been already...

[QUOTE=benzinxrm;47318752]None of this would be happening if we hadn't completely dismantled the Iraqi military and then did a half assed attempt to rebuild it.[/QUOTE] We didn't. We got kicked out and the Iraqis did it to themselves.

Remind me again why the government thinks a completely destabilized country can be trusted with our military hardware? :suicide:

Disappointed, but not surprised.

Not surprised, people who are that barbaric are the same ones who run and scatter when confronted with a determined for, Iraq doesn't have the community and commonality to maintain itself. [editline]13th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=AlbertWesker;47318891]Remind me again why the government thinks a completely destabilized country can be trusted with our military hardware? :suicide:[/QUOTE] It's more about controlling their hardware and thus the supply, same thing with Egypt we rebuilt their army and now they're more or less dependant on us arms and supplies to maintain it, giving us tremendous leverage, and if we didn't Russia would have

[QUOTE=Hamaflavian;47318704]You mean the same Kurds that are [URL="http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/video-anti-arab-march-held-kurds-erbil-397174944"]assaulting refugees[/URL] and [URL="http://www.hrw.org/news/2015/02/25/iraqi-kurdistan-arabs-displaced-cordoned-detained"]turning Arabs into second class citizens[/URL]? I'm not suggesting that the Kurds are just as bad, I'm suggesting that trying to sort this conflict into good guys and bad guys who we can accept and reject on those terms isn't going to work.[/QUOTE] This is somewhat understandable, although bad. Saddam killed many kurds, and he was Pro-arab. Also, they've said they will not take any other land that isn't part of kurdistan

The thing I've learned in my historical research, there's really no justifiability within war. People take, rape, kill, and massacre those they feel they have power over. The lines between God and bad become blurred, one evil, one savage is taken by another. The only real justifable action in war is just to not partake unless you are absolutely forced to. War is hell. The savagery and the barbaric measures in it only push it further into these extremes. Take the German police battalions in ww2 into account, for instance, normal people who were quite literally put into a situation that was explained to them throughly by the einsatzgruppen that they would be in charge of exterminating the Jews, and they, ordinary people were asked if they wanted to partake, most of them said yes. By the end of the war, these ordinary men would brag about Jews they had killed on Jew hunts, those they executed, and otherwise. War is hell. All morale lines become blurred as soon as you partake in the killing.

All we can hope is that this behaviour is caused by the brutality of warfare, and that once it's over, this kind of thing will stop.

Why do we even bother, no matter what happens they never seem to get that if you do the same shit the other guys do it makes you just as bad. Its like their excuse is if they do it to us we will do it back.

[QUOTE=Proj3ct_ZeRo;47320561]Why do we even bother, no matter what happens they never seem to get that if you do the same shit the other guys do it makes you just as bad. Its like their excuse is if they do it to us we will do it back.[/QUOTE] They soldiers have been watching their country be torn apart by Isis and their soldiers slaughtered. They are going to be out for blood. Does it justify it? Probably not. But it's not near the same thing as what Isis is doing.

[QUOTE=Megadave;47318737]So basically Ukraine all over again, instead on meth and krokodil.[/QUOTE] Atleast in Ukraine there are 2 sides that every knows what motives they have, with various small militia groups within them that keep to that same motive, with few being a little more extreme then the other. In the middle east right now there are lots of milita groups running around, as well as the larger armies of countries trying to fight the same enemy but they have fairly different ideals around them, since the majority of them havent really liked eachother for god knows how long.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;47320626]They soldiers have been watching their country be torn apart by Isis and their soldiers slaughtered. They are going to be out for blood. Does it justify it? Probably not. But it's not near the same thing as what Isis is doing.[/QUOTE] It doesn't really matter, killing civilians and acting like fucking animals is what gives the other side reason to reform, it's the exact fucking reason why we've effectively been doing the same thing in the Middle East for the past 30 years and why we're probably gonna be involved for the next 30 as well.

[QUOTE=doomevil;47318670]Is there anyone besides the Kurds in the Middle East that hasn't lost their minds and doesn't consider brutality?[/QUOTE] here's an interesting (but not necessarily good) idea: support bashar al-assad in the syrian civil war and use syria as an agent to get iran to cooperate with us more fully, as syria and iran are allies.

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;47320022]The thing I've learned in my historical research, there's really no justifiability within war. People take, rape, kill, and massacre those they feel they have power over. The lines between God and bad become blurred, one evil, one savage is taken by another. The only real justifable action in war is just to not partake unless you are absolutely forced to. War is hell. The savagery and the barbaric measures in it only push it further into these extremes. Take the German police battalions in ww2 into account, for instance, normal people who were quite literally put into a situation that was explained to them throughly by the einsatzgruppen that they would be in charge of exterminating the Jews, and they, ordinary people were asked if they wanted to partake, most of them said yes. By the end of the war, these ordinary men would brag about Jews they had killed on Jew hunts, those they executed, and otherwise. War is hell. All morale lines become blurred as soon as you partake in the killing.[/QUOTE] Wow really, bad things happen in a war? Dude, you gotta propose this theory somewhere, that's some ground breaking stuff. And what's this holocaust you're speaking of? I've never heard of it.

God, does ANYTHING go right in the Middle East? All that sun must fry everyone's brains over there.

[QUOTE=joes33431;47325407]here's an interesting (but not necessarily good) idea: support bashar al-assad in the syrian civil war and use syria as an agent to get iran to cooperate with us more fully, as syria and iran are allies.[/QUOTE] The US will [I]never[/I] backpedal that much, especially with Assad's ties to Russia.

[QUOTE=joes33431;47325407]here's an interesting (but not necessarily good) idea: support bashar al-assad in the syrian civil war and use syria as an agent to get iran to cooperate with us more fully, as syria and iran are allies.[/QUOTE] I think the ship sailed on that plan when Obama begged Congress to approve wiping out Assad's government and they refused. Though honestly, at this point, Syria was better off under his authoritarian regime. The rebellion has brought the country nothing but economic ruin, mass death, anarchy and/or extremist rule.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;47325727]Though honestly, at this point, Syria was better off under his authoritarian regime. The rebellion has brought the country nothing but economic ruin, mass death, anarchy and/or extremist rule.[/QUOTE] Because the refusal to give aid, the government's atrocities and Russia and China's attempts to profit off the ordeal have led to them polarizing and then splitting into multiple groups.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;47325727]I think the ship sailed on that plan when Obama begged Congress to approve wiping out Assad's government and they refused. Though honestly, at this point, Syria was better off under his authoritarian regime. The rebellion has brought the country nothing but economic ruin, mass death, anarchy and/or extremist rule.[/QUOTE] The blatant aggression (shooting protesters and ransacking neighborhoods with the army?) Of al-Assad's regime didn't really leave any room for peace. al-Assad directly caused the revolution. If he weren't such a delusional piece of shit he might've at the very least sought to forcefully quell the protests in a fashion that did not invite armed conflict.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;47320034]All we can hope is that this behaviour is caused by the brutality of warfare, and that once it's over, this kind of thing will stop.[/QUOTE] I highly doubt that. However, I am interested and curious if the Middle East will ever become peaceful in my life time.