Outrage in Taiwan over students' Nazi display at cosplay event - Polidicks

[img]http://www.straitstimes.com/sites/default/files/styles/x_large/public/articles/2016/12/25/outrage1.jpg[/img] [quote] Taiwan's education minister has been forced to apologise after a high school was roundly ridiculed and criticised, including by Israel's envoy, for its students dressing up in costumes resembling Nazi uniforms and brandishing swastika banners at a cosplay party. Education Minister Pan Wen-chung issued an apology on Saturday (Dec 24) for the incident, urging all schools in Taiwan to learn a lesson from the incident, Taiwan media reported. His apology came as the presidential office issued a statement condemning the students' act, and instructed the ministry to hold the school accountable.[/quote] [url]http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/outrage-in-taiwan-over-students-nazi-display-at-cosplay-event[/url] What the fuck they even have a working cardboard tiger tank

That's actually pretty cool. The tank I mean.

Cosplay event with the theme of historical figures. Are we going to pretend Nazi's didn't happen and look bad ass?

now thats good cosplay

[QUOTE=MadPro119;51584541]Cosplay event with the theme of historical figures. Are we going to pretend Nazi's didn't happen and look bad ass?[/QUOTE] They are wearing Nazi swastikas and that kid is doing the damn Hitler salute. There's nothing 'bad ass' about that. The kind of display that the kids are doing is the exact kind of desensitisation to Nazi Germany that the world [i]does not[/i] need. Hitler and Nazi Germany should stay where they belong - in history books (taught to all students) and museums.

Pretending to be a Nazi really doesn't bother me unless you're really a Nazi.

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[QUOTE=BF;51584554]They are wearing Nazi swastikas and that kid is doing the damn Hitler salute. There's nothing 'bad ass' about that. The kind of display that the kids are doing is the exact kind of desensitisation to Nazi Germany that the world [i]does not[/i] need. Hitler and Nazi Germany should stay where they belong - in history books (taught to all students) and museums.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure swastikas don't belong solely to the Nazi party.

[QUOTE=D-Roy;51584569]Pretty sure swastikas don't belong solely to the Nazi party.[/QUOTE] Nazi swastikas belong to the Nazi party...

[QUOTE=D-Roy;51584569]Pretty sure swastikas don't belong solely to the Nazi party.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=BF;51584554]They are wearing [b]Nazi swastikas[/b] and that kid is doing the damn Hitler salute. There's nothing 'bad ass' about that. The kind of display that the kids are doing is the exact kind of desensitisation to Nazi Germany that the world [i]does not[/i] need. Hitler and Nazi Germany should stay where they belong - in history books (taught to all students) and museums.[/QUOTE] Come on. Even if I didn't specify [b]Nazi swastikas[/b], it's obviously not as if they were wearing Buddhist swastikas..

It's a Cosplay Event, not a NatSoc convention, people should calm their tits.

More images from Mr. Brown's image history [QUOTE=Mr.Brown;51572730]i think taiwanese high schools have finally lost it [img]https://scontent-tpe1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15697982_1155123621275588_5887456695413433748_n.jpg?oh=514e6f86764d84629aa9a40ba008c115&oe=58E66EEF[/img] [img]https://scontent-tpe1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15590557_1155124244608859_1725915126953067325_n.jpg?oh=990de89e4bc58af9f19b1d2260c89855&oe=58E774AE[/img] [img]https://scontent-tpe1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15665566_1155123747942242_8375778340746461691_n.jpg?oh=cd296a4ad27cb1643b4268007ffda587&oe=58EA46A2[/img] [img]https://scontent-tpe1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15622206_1155123737942243_7013780665466182221_n.jpg?oh=ca6b574b5460a6a4e04b277b1bc9ff5f&oe=58E4AA3D[/img] [img]https://scontent-tpe1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15697697_1155123727942244_6011940448448454317_n.jpg?oh=137548e4c39240af40d3f7317d9cb982&oe=58AFDE63[/img][/QUOTE] [editline]26th December 2016[/editline] In the last image, the guy is doing the three finger salute which, from study is a salute about Victory and Love :v: [url]http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2016/16071-three-fingers.pdf#%5B%7B%22num%22%3A6%2C%22gen%22%3A0%7D%2C%7B%22name%22%3A%22XYZ%22%7D%2C69%2C373%2C0%5D[/url]

Well, surely an ideology that puts forward the notion that every non arian race is only worthy at best of enslavement and the rest should be exterminated can't be held by non arian persons. It's a shame that these Bavarian ki....oh wait

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;51584596]Well, surely an ideology that puts forward the notion that every non arian race is only worthy at best of enslavement and the rest should be exterminated can't be held by non arian persons. It's a shame that these Bavarian ki....oh wait[/QUOTE] its fucking [B]cosplay[/B] they don't hold the views of the people they cosplay. [editline]26th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=BF;51584554]They are wearing Nazi swastikas and that kid is doing the damn Hitler salute. There's nothing 'bad ass' about that. The kind of display that the kids are doing is the exact kind of desensitisation to Nazi Germany that the world [i]does not[/i] need. Hitler and Nazi Germany should stay where they belong - in history books (taught to all students) and museums.[/QUOTE] I didn't say it was bad ass cosplay (Although it is good and I'm sure time went into it) but that Nazi's looked bad ass. [editline]26th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=OvB;51584558]Pretending to be a Nazi really doesn't bother me unless you're really a Nazi.[/QUOTE] Exactly, thank you.

Isn't Taiwan obsessed with Hitler and Hitler imagery, or am I thinking of another east asian country?

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51584635]Isn't Taiwan obsessed with Hitler and Hitler imagery, or am I thinking of another east asian country?[/QUOTE] You're thinking of Thailand, which has Nazi themed cafes

Might be important to point out that they don't really have the same sensitivity to this kind of thing in east Asia, from what I've seen. It's super crass to us but to them it's probably just history and nothing more. It does remind me of a time I went to a convention in Seattle though, and someone was just straight up dressed as a Nazi, minus the swastika armbands. I did a double take because I couldn't believe someone had the gall to dress up as that for a con.

[QUOTE=ElectricSquid;51584650]Might be important to point out that they don't really have the same sensitivity to this kind of thing in east Asia, from what I've seen. It's super crass to us but to them it's probably just history and nothing more. It does remind me of a time I went to a convention in Seattle though, and someone was just straight up dressed as a Nazi, minus the swastika armbands. I did a double take because I couldn't believe someone had the gall to dress up as that for a con.[/QUOTE] It's because Japan and most of East Asia didn't have the same kind of fervent denazification that the West and Europe did. As far as most East Asian countries persecuted during WW2 are concerned, it was Imperial Japan that committed those atrocities, and not the Nazi party.

[QUOTE=BF;51584577]Come on. Even if I didn't specify [b]Nazi swastikas[/b], it's obviously not as if they were wearing Buddhist swastikas..[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51584572]Nazi swastikas belong to the Nazi party...[/QUOTE] There's no such thing as a "nazi swastika". There are swastikas and that's it. The meaning behind them is completely within the context it's presented, not by the design of the swastika itself.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51584678]There's no such thing as a "nazi swastika". There are swastikas and that's it. The meaning behind them is completely within the context it's presented, not by the design of the swastika itself.[/QUOTE] And in the context of, you know, [i]what this thread is about[/i], they are Nazi swastikas, with relation to Nazi Germany. Come on.

[QUOTE=ElectricSquid;51584650]Might be important to point out that they don't really have the same sensitivity to this kind of thing in east Asia, from what I've seen. It's super crass to us but to them it's probably just history and nothing more. It does remind me of a time I went to a convention in Seattle though, and someone was just straight up dressed as a Nazi, minus the swastika armbands. I did a double take because I couldn't believe someone had the gall to dress up as that for a con.[/QUOTE] Is there really a reason to be even a little bit shocked over someone dressing up as a nazi? Their uniforms are stylish as hell and the cult of personality behind it makes an interesting historical piece to be dressed up in. [editline]26th December 2016[/editline] As someone has said, most of East Asia only suffered from Imperial Japan but it never got villified to the point where we have this taboo over their imagery like the Nazis. Nowadays(in South East Asia at least), you can see cars with the Imperial Japanese flag regularly and tons of Imperial Japan soldier and officer cosplay in conventions.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51584635]Isn't Taiwan obsessed with Hitler and Hitler imagery, or am I thinking of another east asian country?[/QUOTE] Don't think so. But to be fair a portion of the NRA was German trained and equipped before the Japanese invasion. Nazi aesthetics hrrrnnnggg... [img]https://alexanderandsonsrestorations.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/EAD4W.jpg[/img]

leave it to fp of all places to see no issue with this :v:

It does look pretty cool

I've sat here for a good while now, trying to figure out what to make of all of this. On one hand, antisemitism is still a growing problem, and the dressing up as Nazi figures may inspire children to admire or respect Nazi Germany and/or antisemitic beliefs. On the other, is it not about time that we slowly start to accept that the Holocaust happened, and not try and hide every mention of their existence, a la present-day Germany? At what point do we finally treat World War II like any other historical war-- rape, pillage, and slaughter included? When do we stop getting offended at the idea of Nazis being simply a part of history? I'm really neutral on this, and can't seem to bring myself to come to a conclusion. It's not exactly in good taste at all-- I'd say it's just as awful taste as a school dressing its students up as KKK members, if not worse. Still, if not 70 years, how long are we going to wait before we can start with cosplays and historical reenactments, as we do with the American Civil War?

[QUOTE=krail9;51584846]leave it to fp of all places to see no issue with this :v:[/QUOTE] I once went through a phase where I thought 'oh the Nazis were so badass and stylish', back when I was like 14 years old. Then I grew up.

[QUOTE=mchapra;51584636]You're thinking of Thailand which has Nazi themed cafes[/QUOTE] Look up "Hitler Chic"

[QUOTE=Monkah;51584864] On the other, is it not about time that we slowly start to accept that the Holocaust happened, and not try and hide every mention of their existence, a la present-day Germany? At what point do we finally treat World War II like any other historical war-- rape, pillage, and slaughter included? When do we stop getting offended at the idea of Nazis being simply a part of history? [/QUOTE] I think the problem is that in most portrayals of Nazis, whether it's Monty Python's Hilter sketch or Polanski's The Pianist, there's a point to using their imagery. The students in Taiwan just did it (as far as I can tell from the pictures) because lol Nazis have such a cool aesthetic, and that's a really flimsy reason to dress up as a group many people are still very sensitive towards. It does idolize something about Nazis when they dress up like them and go in formation because they looked so cool and badass.

[QUOTE=Bertie;51584879]I think the problem is that in most portrayals of Nazis, whether it's Monty Python's Hilter sketch or Polanski's The Pianist, there's a point to using their imagery. The students in Taiwan just did it (as far as I can tell from the pictures) because lol Nazis have such a cool aesthetic, and that's a really flimsy reason to dress up as a group many people are still very sensitive towards. It does idolize something about Nazis when they dress up like them and go in formation because they looked so cool and badass.[/QUOTE] Do we not do that over every organized military, though? Look at how we idolize the Spartans, for example. I don't think it's a behavior unique to Nazi Germany, I think it's just something commonplace over strict, organized, and efficient militaries.

[QUOTE=Monkah;51584880]Do we not do that over every organized military, though? Look at how we idolize the Spartans, for example. I don't think it's a behavior unique to Nazi Germany, I think it's just something commonplace over strict, organized, and efficient militaries.[/QUOTE] True, but they still used the very specific aesthetic of Nazi Germany. They could've dressed up as any army they wanted but they decided to imitate the one faction whose actions are still felt bitterly across the globe.