What's wrong with hipsters? - General

Facepunch always seem to be hating on "hipsters". Yet this is what I consider a fairly accurate description from Urban Encyclopedia: [quote]Hipsters are a subculture of men and women typically in their 20's and 30's that value independent thinking, counter-culture, progressive politics, an appreciation of art and indie-rock, creativity, intelligence, and witty banter. The greatest concentrations of hipsters can be found living in the Williamsburg, Wicker Park, and Mission District neighborhoods of major cosmopolitan centers such as New York, Chicago, and San Francisco respectively. Although "hipsterism" is really a state of mind,it is also often intertwined with distinct fashion sensibilities. Hipsters reject the culturally-ignorant attitudes of mainstream consumers, and are often be seen wearing vintage and thrift store inspired fashions, tight-fitting jeans, old-school sneakers, and sometimes thick rimmed glasses. Both hipster men and women sport similar androgynous hair styles that include combinations of messy shag cuts and asymmetric side-swept bangs. Such styles are often associated with the work of creative stylists at urban salons, and are usually too "edgy" for the culturally-sheltered mainstream consumer. The "effortless cool" urban bohemian look of a hipster is exemplified in Urban Outfitters and American Apparel ads which cater towards the hipster demographic. Despite misconceptions based on their aesthetic tastes, hipsters tend to be well educated and often have liberal arts degrees, or degrees in maths and sciences, which also require certain creative analytical thinking abilities. Consequently many hipsters tend to have jobs in the music, art, and fashion industries. It is a myth that most hipsters are unemployed and live off of their parent's trust funds. Hipsters shun mainstream societal conventions that apply to dating preferences and traditional "rules" of physical attraction. It is part of the hipster central dogma not to be influenced by mainsream advertising and media, which tends to only promote ethnocentric ideals of beauty. The concepts of androgyny and feminism have influenced hipster culture, where hipster men are often as thin as the women they date. The muscular and athletic all-American male ideal is not seen as attractive by confident and culturally-empowered hipster women who instead view them as symbols of male oppression, sexism, and misogyny. Likewise, culturally-vapid sorority-type girls with fake blond hair, overly tanned skin, and "Britney Spears tube-tops" are not seen as attractive by cultured hipster males who instead see them as symbols of female insecurity, low self-esteem, and lack of cultural intelligence and independent thinking. Hipsters are also very racially open-minded, and the greatest number of interracial couples in any urban environment are typically found within the hipster subculture. Although hipsters are technically conformists within their own subculture, in comparison to the much larger mainstream mass, they are pioneers and leaders of the latest cultural trends and ideals. For example, the surge of jeans made to look old and worn (i.e. "distressed"), that have become prevalent at stores such as The Gap, American Eagle, Abercrombie and Fitch, and Hollister, were originally paraded by hipsters who shopped in thrift stores years before such clothing items were mass produced and sold to the mainstream consumer. The true irony here is that many of the detractors of hipster culture are in fact unknowingly following a path that hipsters have carved out years before them. This phenomena also applies to music as well, as many bands have become successful and known to mainstream audiences only because hipsters first found and listened to them as early-adopters of new culture. Once certain concepts of fashion and music have reached mainstream audiences, hipsters move on to something new and improved. Because of the rise of various online photo-blog and social networking sites, insights into urban hipster culture is reaching sheltered suburban audiences at an exponential rate. Cultural "norms" have been deconstructed by hipster culture as a whole. Hipsterism is often dismissed as just an image thing by some, but the culture as a whole is effecting changes in society, leading to feelings of insecurity and resentment in people who are no longer a part of the cultural ruling class. For example, a lot of anti-hipster sentiment evidently comes from culturally-clueless suburban frat boy types who feel that the more sensitive, intelligent, and culturally aware hipster ideal threatens their insecure sense of masculinity. Anti-hipster sentiment often comes from people who simply can't keep up with social change and are envious of those who can.[/quote] [url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hipster[/url] So where is this frustration arising from? Discuss. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Didn't read the sticky / Not a debate thread" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

Facepunch hate hipsters because they don't stop fucking brag about "oh may gahd look at how unique and different I am"

nothing is wrong with "hipsters" just people being afraid of others who are different why is this even a thread [QUOTE=Dead Madman;33548083]Facepunch hate hipsters because they don't stop fucking brag about "oh may gahd look at how unique and different I am"[/QUOTE] stereotyping

Because people jump to the attention-whoring stereotype that is associated with being a 'hipster'.

[QUOTE=Dead Madman;33548083]Facepunch hate hipsters because they don't stop fucking brag about "oh may gahd look at how unique and different I am"[/QUOTE] Facepunch hates hipsters because it's popular to be a hipster.

[QUOTE=sp00ks;33548617]Facepunch hates hipsters because it's popular to be a hipster.[/QUOTE] I've come to call when someone is being a hipster because it's popular being "hipster-mainstream".

nothing wrong with hipsters, unless they're self-identified as a hipster, or have this fucked up sense of what real 'art' is. Yes, I know what art can be is extremely wide, but... well... I would post that video where a bunch of hipsters watch a girl shove rotten old spaghetti in her vagina and make random grunting noises as an example, then clap as if she did something great, but this isn't GD.

People who claim to be Hipsters aren't Hipster. There are more people who aren't Hipsters who think they are Hipster then there are Hipsters. I hate those sorts of 'Hipsters' [editline]3rd December 2011[/editline] stfu and post it im bread

Because they're massive fashion snobs and love to point out everyone elses fashion flaws.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33549168]Because they're massive fashion snobs and love to point out everyone elses fashion flaws.[/QUOTE] you don't speak for everyone

I think people don't dislike the core ideas of hipsters, but they tend tend to dislike the social group that has emerged from it. Hipsters have long gone from the underground into the mainstream. And large parts of hipster fashion have been incorporated into standard fashion. In that sense, they moved from a counter movement into a popular movement loosing that which defined the original hipsters.

According to this article I am a hipster. The article also kind of leaves out the people who follow the movement just to be cool; such people exist in every subculture but they reflect badly upon those they follow. From reading the article you'd think that ALL hipsters are nice, open-minded, and independent, but surely that's not always the case.

The article saying that they value intelligence is pretty silly, any group of people can be intelligent or unintelligent, I know some pretty stupid hipsters.

I like hipsters, and that's my opinion. As for the people who hate them. Their call, not mine. Like it or hate it. Whatever makes you happy. Also, what's with Hipsters now being called Indie instead?

Because others are jelly they are so mainstream and unoriginal.