EU now confirmed as RIAA Enemy, Finds online piracy does not majorly affect legal sales - Polidicks

[quote=EU Commission]The data suggested that overall, piracy has a positive effect on music sales and that sales would have been lower, assuming causal interpretation, had illegal downloading websites be absent, as the paper states: “It seems that the majority of the music that is consumed illegally by the individuals in our sample would not have been purchased if illegal downloading websites were not available to them.”[/quote] [quote]"“From that perspective, our findings suggest that digital music piracy should not be viewed as a growing concern for copyright holders in the digital era. In addition, our results indicate that new music consumption channels such as online streaming positively affect copyrights owners.”"[/quote] From the paper itself, Page 3 [quote]Nonetheless, digital music revenues to record companiesare growing substantially. They increased more than 1000% during the period 2004-2010, and grew 8% globally in 2011 to an estimated US$5.2 billion, reﬂecting the importance of digitizationin the music industry[/quote] [URL="http://www.musicweek.com/news/read/positive-link-between-online-piracy-and-visits-to-legal-music-stores-report/054019"]Source[/URL] [URL="http://www.scribd.com/doc/131005609/JRC79605"]Paper in question, Interesting read[/URL]

Finally, some understanding.

And certain people [I]STILL[/I] claims the EU lacks common sense :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Van-man;39968708]And certain people [I]STILL[/I] claims the EU lacks common sense :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] How long has that emoticon been back ?

[QUOTE=Van-man;39968708]And certain people [I]STILL[/I] claims the EU lacks common sense :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://europa.eu/abc/12lessons/images/content_euro.jpg[/IMG] Yes. Yes I do.

[QUOTE=kaskade700;39968717]How long has that emoticon been back ?[/QUOTE] It's one of the few that were spared. [QUOTE=Riller;39968737][IMG]http://europa.eu/abc/12lessons/images/content_euro.jpg[/IMG] Yes. Yes I do.[/QUOTE] Makes trading across borders much easier, that was and still is literally the key driving force behind it. Problem is that it didn't take account for countries with shit governments.

[QUOTE=Van-man;39968739] Makes trading across borders much easier, that was and still is literally the key driving force behind it. Problem is that it didn't take account for countries with shit governments.[/QUOTE] "We removed one piece of simple conversion math that can be automatized in an exel-program by a 8th grader. Whoops, where'd Greece go?"

[QUOTE=Van-man;39968739]It's one of the few that were spared. Makes trading across borders much easier, that was and still is literally the key driving force behind it. Problem is that it didn't take account for countries with shit governments.[/QUOTE] Oh wow, never knew. This is great news!

[QUOTE=Riller;39968737][IMG]http://europa.eu/abc/12lessons/images/content_euro.jpg[/IMG] Yes. Yes I do.[/QUOTE] Would've been alright if we kicked Greece out.

Oh and the piracy thing is cool too.

[QUOTE=Van-man;39968708]And certain people [I]STILL[/I] claims the EU lacks common sense :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] You're right, I was pretty annoyed that the EU transfers all of it's employees, paperwork and equipment between Brussels and Strasbourg on a weekly basis - but now they've come out with this paper on digital piracy, I love the EU :downs: [editline]a[/editline] [QUOTE=Van-man;39968739]It's one of the few that were spared. Makes trading across borders much easier, that was and still is literally the key driving force behind it. [B]Problem is that it didn't take account for countries with shit governments.[/B][/QUOTE] e.g most of them?

[QUOTE=Dlaor-guy;39968760]Would've been alright if we kicked Greece out.[/QUOTE] And Italy. And Spain.

[QUOTE=Riller;39968770]And Italy. And Spain.[/QUOTE] Germany and France broke the EU's law on budget deficits first - they should have been kicked out/penalised plus Portugal and Ireland too

[QUOTE=butt2089;39968778]Germany and France broke the EU's law on budget deficits first - they should have been kicked out/penalised plus Portugal and Ireland too[/QUOTE]the way you guys are talking makes it sound like soon there wouldn't be any major countries left in the EU :v: from European Union to European Bunch of Countries

[QUOTE=Riller;39968756]"We removed one piece of simple conversion math that can be automatized in an exel-program by a 8th grader. Whoops, where'd Greece go?"[/QUOTE] I usually hate making ad hominems, but I do think in this case it's fitting. if you believe that the only thing to do with other currencies is a simple excel conversion than you don't really know that much.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;39968849]I usually hate making ad hominems, but I do think in this case it's fitting. if you believe that the only thing to do with other currencies is a simple excel conversion than you don't really know that much.[/QUOTE] It add up [B]REALLY[/B] fast, and even the smallest variation in conversion rates can fuck shit up. Th Euro is one of those [I]"good intentions"[/I] things that should've been worked on some more before putting into action.

[QUOTE=Joazzz;39968847]the way you guys are talking makes it sound like soon there wouldn't be any major countries left in the EU :v: from European Union to European Bunch of Countries[/QUOTE] [t]http://i.imgur.com/ATBBYqC.png[/t] [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13361934]source[/url] Of all the major EU countries, Germany is the only one doing half decently - and even now it's only reported growth of 0.7% in 2012, and that's coming from the world's second largest exporter.

thought it said EA, was really confused but this is good news!

[QUOTE=wraithcat;39968849]I usually hate making ad hominems, but I do think in this case it's fitting. if you believe that the only thing to do with other currencies is a simple excel conversion than you don't really know that much.[/QUOTE] For everything where the dollar isn't, or at the time wasn't used anyway, it kind of is.

RIAA should be prosecuted for ruining peoples lives, I know it's not possible but we all know what they do to people whom they find out they pirated at least one song.

This isn't really a surprise with music. The question is whether or not the same holds true for movies or games, which are both much more expensive than individual songs and more likely to be used once and then uninstalled or shelved.

[QUOTE=Dlaor-guy;39968760]Would've been alright if we kicked Greece out.[/QUOTE] Dont forget Spain, or was it Portugal? I dont live in the EU

[QUOTE=Dlaor-guy;39968760]Would've been alright if we kicked Greece out.[/QUOTE] Oh god, this reminds me of the chapter on Greece from Boomerang: Travels in the New Third World Read the book, it's fucking amazing and hilarious. Greece was just so completely fucking incompetent with their finance.

[QUOTE=kaskade700;39968717]How long has that emoticon been back ?[/QUOTE] :dance: <---best one

[QUOTE=butt2089;39968897][t]http://i.imgur.com/ATBBYqC.png[/t] [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13361934]source[/url] Of all the major EU countries, Germany is the only one doing half decently - and even now it's only reported growth of 0.7% in 2012, and that's coming from the world's second largest exporter.[/QUOTE] estonia has the largest growth with 3.8% bigger than germany shut up

[QUOTE=Turing;39969806]estonia has the largest growth with 3.8% bigger than germany shut up[/QUOTE] He was referring to only the major/large EU countries.

IMO music streaming is quickly becoming the new piracy anyways, which is good. The problem with the music industry in a digital age was that the industry itself was using "digital files" in a "digital age" but yet its revenue streams were all super traditional as if computers weren't a thing anymore. iTunes helps bridge the gap but its clear that people dont view music anymore as something where you buy a single album then listen to it for a year as your only source of music. Piracy filled the void that the industry wasn't creating. It was easy, quick, and got you access to lots of music in a HUGE market. People started to become aware of music outside of the top 100 charts, and independants could get their music heard easier, circumventing record studios. The industry as a whole still isn't maturing to this very well, but there are some developments, and music streaming is one such. The advent of pandora and even youtube music is making it so people can easily, and "legally" get access to the same level of service that piracy was tryiing to fufill. It's actually easier than piracy, which in a way makes it better. Not to mention you get exposed to artists you would like but haven't even heard of yet. I can't personally remember the last time I pirated music actually because of this. Why bother when pandora/di.fm/youtube/etc fufill my "music streaming/sampling" needs in a way traditional radio can't anymore in this digital age better than piracy does? If anything thats all piracy really is/was for music. It is/was "radio" for a digital, more culturally/musically aware age, because there simply are/were not better alternetives out there.

[QUOTE=iTrolol;39969544]Oh god, this reminds me of the chapter on Greece from Boomerang: Travels in the New Third World Read the book, it's fucking amazing and hilarious. Greece was just so completely fucking incompetent with their finance.[/QUOTE] Can you give us the juicy parts from the books? I only know about the government paying royalties to deceaced people stupidity

[QUOTE=deggie;39968906]thought it said EA, was really confused but this is good news![/QUOTE] I thought it was talking about EA until I read this post, and I was just thinking "Why is everyone talking about EU in this thread?"

[QUOTE=smeismastger;39970097]Can you give us the juicy parts from the books? I only know about the government paying royalties to deceaced people stupidity[/QUOTE] Oh dear, I remember my Greek girlfriend telling me about that. Such idiocy.