WashPost Makes History: First Paper to Call for Prosecution of Its Own Source - Polidicks

[B]WashPost Makes History: First Paper to Call for Prosecution of Its Own Source (After Accepting Pulitzer)[/B] [quote]Three of the four media outlets that received and published large numbers of secret NSA documents provided by Edward Snowden — The Guardian, the New York Times, and The Intercept –– have called for the U.S. government to allow the NSA whistleblower to return to the U.S. with no charges. That’s the normal course for a news organization, which owes its sources duties of protection, and which — by virtue of accepting the source’s materials and then publishing them — implicitly declares the source’s information to be in the public interest. But not the Washington Post. In the face of a growing ACLU and Amnesty-led campaign to secure a pardon for Snowden, timed to this weekend’s release of the Oliver Stone biopic “Snowden,” the Post editorial page today not only argued in opposition to a pardon, but explicitly demanded that Snowden — the paper’s own source — stand trial on espionage charges or, as a “second-best solution,” “accept[] a measure of criminal responsibility for his excesses and the U.S. government offers a measure of leniency.” In doing so, the Washington Post has achieved an ignominious feat in U.S. media history: the first-ever paper to explicitly editorialize for the criminal prosecution of its own source — one on whose back the paper won and eagerly accepted a Pulitzer Prize for Public Service. But even more staggering than this act of journalistic treachery against the paper’s own source are the claims made to justify it.[/quote] [url]https://theintercept.com/2016/09/18/washpost-makes-history-first-paper-to-call-for-prosecution-of-its-own-source-after-accepting-pulitzer/[/url] [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("alt of perma'd user" - Orkel))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;51071070]Snowden should be locked away in the darkest hole we have. He just took everything he could get his hands on, that's not a whistleblower, that's a traitor.[/Quote] It never really gets old. I've seen it so many times, but it still impresses me how so many Americans have been manipulated into acting against their own interests by major media and their government.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;51071070]Snowden should be locked away in the darkest hole we have. He just took everything he could get his hands on, that's not a whistleblower, that's a traitor.[/QUOTE] You should actually do some research... This guy legitimately cared about the american people, and wouldn't stand by. If anything you should love him. NSA agents were legit selling peoples private info and using women's webcams as wank material.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;51071070]Snowden should be locked away in the darkest hole we have. He just took everything he could get his hands on, that's not a whistleblower, that's a traitor.[/QUOTE] You're thinking of manning, sweetheart.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;51071070]Snowden should be locked away in the darkest hole we have. He just took everything he could get his hands on, that's not a whistleblower, that's a traitor.[/QUOTE] odd that such a patriot would hate freedom so much lol

[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51071116]You're thinking of manning, sweetheart.[/QUOTE] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0p[/media]

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;51071070]Snowden should be locked away in the darkest hole we have. He just took everything he could get his hands on, that's not a whistleblower, that's a traitor.[/QUOTE] How fucking uninformed can you fucking be

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;51071070]Snowden should be locked away in the darkest hole we have. He just took everything he could get his hands on, that's not a whistleblower, that's a traitor.[/QUOTE] Oh god You can't be serious... are you?

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;51071070]Snowden should be locked away in the darkest hole we have. He just took everything he could get his hands on, that's not a whistleblower, that's a traitor.[/QUOTE] Is this sarcasm? I hope this is. Seriously that doesn't warrant locking up a man for life and taking all those years from him, especially since the NSA wasn't entirely acting in the public interests with the shady shit that some of their agents did.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;51071160][URL="http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1259508/edward-snowden-us-government-has-been-hacking-hong-kong-and-china?page=all"]Source[/URL] [URL="http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/17/world/americas/snowden-nsa-brazil-letter/"]Snowden's open letter offers to help Brazil investigate NSA surveillance[/URL] [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/documents-reveal-nsas-extensive-involvement-in-targeted-killing-program/2013/10/16/29775278-3674-11e3-8a0e-4e2cf80831fc_print.html"]Documents reveal NSA’s extensive involvement in targeted killing program[/URL] [URL="http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2014/03/05/the-secret-role-of-the-dutch-in-the-american-war-on-terror-a1426677"]The secret role of the Dutch in the American war on terror[/URL] Believe whatever you want, but I don't think that any of these things have the slightest to do with the NSA collecting information on American citizens. In fact, it sounds to me like a breach of our national security. Why should Snowden announce that we are actively hacking Hong Kong and China? Why should he release documents detailing programs that gather intelligence to fight al-Qaeda? Oh because he's a hero haha of course. Believe whatever the hell you want but don't patronize me for having a different opinion. In some way Snowden has jeopardized our national security, regardless of how large or small, and that's a fact. You can call him a whistleblower and a hero, I'll call him a traitor.[/QUOTE] He certainly has not hurt your security.

Excuse me? This isn't just about American citizens. Snowden revealed that the US was spying on even its allies. He never revealed the names of undercover intelligence agents as Manning did, merely released documents proving that the United States was lying and cheating both at home and abroad. The man's a hero.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;51071160] Oh because he's a hero haha of course. Believe whatever the hell you want but don't patronize me for having a different opinion. In some way Snowden has jeopardized our national security, regardless of how large or small, and that's a fact. You can call him a whistleblower and a hero, I'll call him a traitor.[/QUOTE] did you miss the part where he revealed the massive fucking surveillance programs happening on US citizens that were invading our privacies up to even our fucking bedrooms?

[QUOTE=joshuadim;51071176]did you miss the part where he revealed the massive fucking surveillance programs happening on US citizens that were invading our privacies up to even our fucking bedrooms?[/QUOTE] Great, but he did do some shitty stuff too. He helped and he hurt, I do think he should have to answer to the authorities for the reasons FinalHunter cited. By your logic if I kill someone and then found an orphanage, I should be let off for free. I did something bad, then did something people think is good which means I should be allowed to go free based on what you seem to think.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;51071190]I care about the interests of my country, not yours. Yeah, and if that's all he did then maybe I would agree with the sentiment that he's a hero.[/QUOTE] Of course a jingoist would support punishing Snowden. Fortunately, most Americans are not.

Snowden isn't black and white, he isn't some savior who just protected the American public. He did a lot of harm with his leaks about things involving other countries. If it was just the American public he cared about, he'd just have released the NSA domestic spying info, but instead he released things involving other countries. I don't think he was acting in the interest of the public, I think he had an ulterior motive based on the content he released.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;51071190]I care about the interests of my country, not yours.[/QUOTE] Nice dude. Fuck everyone else becuase America is the greatest right? How ignorant and selfish can you be [QUOTE=FinalHunter;51071190] Yeah, and if that's all he did then maybe I would agree with the sentiment that he's a hero.[/QUOTE] Please go into detail how he explicitly and intentionally harmed the American people, the public in general, and/or American interests.

[QUOTE=archangel125;51071174]Excuse me? This isn't just about American citizens. Snowden revealed that the US was spying on even its allies. He never revealed the names of undercover intelligence agents as Manning did, merely released documents proving that the United States was lying and cheating both at home and abroad. The man's a hero.[/QUOTE] It's naive to think that every major country doesn't spy on everyone they can.

[QUOTE=MissZoey;51071199]Snowden isn't black and white, he isn't some savior who just protected the American public. He did a lot of harm with his leaks about things involving other countries. If it was just the American public he cared about, he'd just have released the NSA domestic spying info, but instead he released things involving other countries. I don't think he was acting in the interest of the public, I think he had an ulterior motive based on the content he released.[/QUOTE] Even though I am OP I still do not defend Snowden as the be-all and end-all of human life, so I'd appreciate a source showing where he has actively disadvantaged the US (specifically in a situation that doesn't involve the US going to war and killing 100k to avenge the death of 3k) I can totally agree on the black/white statement, I also think the recent movie about him is shit and doesn't really do anything to further the questions raised than answer questions and raise awareness for people who do not read the news. Although diplomatic cable leaks, war involving civilians footage and the like may not be of interest to US citizens the world is a much larger place than just the US which is why you are using the internet and not AmericaNet. If America could prove itself as not having been complacent in wars which had no actual advantage for the human race as a whole then I could excuse my opinion, but I have to sit here as a human being (and admittedly not as a citizen of the great nation of the United States of America) and ask whether you really think the interests of the US are more important than the interests of every human on Earth. Citizens of the great United States of America are not the only citizens of this planet.

[QUOTE=sgman91;51071234]It's naive to think that every major country doesn't spy on everyone they can.[/QUOTE] Ever major militaristic, country, anyway. Russia, China, India, and the US.

[QUOTE=sgman91;51071234]It's naive to think that every major country doesn't spy on everyone they can.[/QUOTE] It's even more naive to think that this is remotely okay.

[QUOTE=archangel125;51071241]Ever major militaristic, country, anyway. Russia, China, India, and the US.[/QUOTE] GB is also a big one if not the biggest at least according to the NSA and some things Snowden says

[QUOTE=sgman91;51071234]It's naive to think that every major country doesn't spy on everyone they can.[/QUOTE] It's naive to think that going forward, [b]specifically after the Snowden revelations[/b], that going-forward the same standard of spying will be possible by governments around the world. [quote]In following releases, we will continue to extend HTTP warnings, for example, by labelling HTTP pages as “not secure” in Incognito mode, where users may have higher expectations of privacy. Eventually, we plan to label all HTTP pages as non-secure, and change the HTTP security indicator to the red triangle that we use for broken HTTPS. We will publish updates to this plan as we approach future releases, but don’t wait to get started moving to HTTPS. HTTPS is easier and cheaper than ever before, and enables both the best performance the web offers and powerful new features that are too sensitive for HTTP. Check out our set-up guides to get started.[/quote] [url]https://security.googleblog.com/2016/09/moving-towards-more-secure-web.html[/url] Look at a movie like Enemy of the State from [b]1998[/b]: [quote]Thomas Reynolds: We never dealt with domestic. With us, it was always war. We won the war. Now we're fighting the peace. It's a lot more volatile. Now we've got ten million crackpots out there with sniper scopes, sarin gas and C-4. [b]Ten-year-olds go on the Net, downloading encryption we can barely break[/b], not to mention instructions on how to make a low-yield nuclear device. Privacy's been dead for years because we can't risk it. The only privacy that's left is the inside of your head. Maybe that's enough. You think we're the enemy of democracy, you and I? I think we're democracy's last hope.[/quote] That is a movie from roughly [b]twenty years ago[/b]. [img]https://www.bestvpn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Google-HTTPS.png[/img] If someone can break the current standards of encryption then please prove so.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;51071251][URL="http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/csec-used-airport-wi-fi-to-track-canadian-travellers-edward-snowden-documents-1.2517881"]CSEC used airport Wi-Fi to track Canadian travellers: Edward Snowden documents[/URL] You're cute.[/QUOTE] That's adorable, but I don't recall there being anything in there about Canada spying on its allies now, was there? Nice try. For the record, Snowden's leaks were very good for Canada too because they caused a shitstorm about the liberties the government was taking with Canadian residents and citizens that were expressly opposed to Section 8 of our charter of rights. I never pretended otherwise.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;51071190]I care about the interests of my country, not yours.[/QUOTE] holy fuck, that's fucked up

[QUOTE=archangel125;51071263]That's adorable, but I don't recall there being anything in there about Canada spying on its allies now, was there? Nice try. For the record, Snowden's leaks were very good for Canada too because they caused a shitstorm about the liberties the government was taking with Canadian residents and citizens that were expressly opposed to Section 8 of our charter of rights. I never pretended otherwise.[/QUOTE]You think your perfect little country is some bastion where they aren't spying on everyone else? If they didn't they'd have such poor footing with the rest of the globalized world.

[QUOTE=gjergj;51071130][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0p[/media][/QUOTE] Are you posting this to prove that Manning's leaks were important? 'cause except for some piss-poor verbal discipline on display here and shit handling by ground crew, the video shows no real wrong decisions made by the helicopter crew. They saw group heading towards friendly positions, clearly identified weapons, and opened fire.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;51071284]You think your perfect little country is some bastion where they aren't spying on everyone else? If they didn't they'd have such poor footing with the rest of the globalized world.[/QUOTE] Hell no. Canada's far from perfect. A lot happens here that goes under the radar of most of the citizenry, and it was even worse under Harper's almost-authoritarian Conservative government. But our espionage agency doesn't have the resources to conduct mass surveillance on our allies or our own citizens - No, we got that info from your CIA. In no way am I endorsing that or pretending our country is better. I'm pointing out that Snowden's a hero to free peoples everywhere for what he did, and helped change the global political landscape for the better.

[QUOTE=gjergj;51071262]It's naive to think that going forward, [B]specifically after the Snowden revelations[/B], that going-forward the same standard of spying will be possible by governments around the world.[/QUOTE] I doubt it. Countries will go on spying on everyone they can. You seem to have more faith in governments than I do. As far as I'm concerned, they don't give a single crap about doing the "right" thing. If spying on allies provides useful information, then that's what they will do.

[QUOTE=archangel125;51071296]Hell no. Canada's far from perfect. A lot happens here that goes under the radar of most of the citizenry, and it was even worse under Harper's almost-authoritarian Conservative government. But our espionage agency doesn't have the resources to conduct mass surveillance on our allies or our own citizens - No, we got that info from your CIA. In no way am I endorsing that or pretending our country is better. I'm pointing out that Snowden's a hero to free peoples everywhere for what he did, and helped change the global political landscape for the better.[/QUOTE]So the difference is that your country just isn't as capable. But they still sought that information. Had they the ability to do so they absolutely would, because its skull fucking retarded to do otherwise. Because even your allies have their own goals and motivations. I highly garuntee Germany, France, and other EU countries begged, borrowed, and stole every scrap of data they could from the UK leading up to the EU referendum because that is how intelligent countries continue to exist. Snowden isn't a hero. He revealed some things that were good to know, but he was malicious, not saintly.

Worth pointing out that the one program the Post says was for the public good wasn't even published by them, but by the Guardian. The Post published leaks regarding all the programs that they now say Snowden should be prosecuted for revealing. I think what Snowden did is textbook espionage but the Washington Post either should have decided not to publish his leaks in the first place or endorse his pardon. Anything less is hypocritical and cowardly.