SETI has the results for the survey of star KIC 8462852, and they found... - Polidicks

...Jack shit. Nothing. Zilch. [URL]http://gizmodo.com/sorry-alien-hunters-no-signs-of-life-from-kic-8462852-1741001748[/URL] [QUOTE]A few weeks back, the humans of planet Earth [URL="http://gizmodo.com/the-many-many-times-astronomers-mistook-mundane-phenom-1736795901?utm_expid=66866090-62.H_y_0o51QhmMY_tue7bevQ.0&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F"]worked themselves into a frenzy[/URL] over the possibility that the Kepler space telescope had discovered an alien megastructure. Since then, the astronomers behind the hubbub have had their heads down, hunting for the technobabble that might lend credence to the wild theory.Surprise! They haven’t found it. In case you’ve missed the extraterrestrial hullabaloo, here’s the gist. A few months ago, citizen scientists trawling through data collected by NASA’s Kepler mission noticed something weird: a star that flickers aperiodically, its light output sometimes dipping by as much as 20%. While many stars will dim at regular intervals due to the transit of orbiting planets—and indeed, that’s exactly the sort of thing the Kepler mission was built to detect— KIC 8462852, recently dubbed “Tabby’s Star,” was like nothing we’d ever seen before.[/QUOTE] To be fair though: [QUOTE]That is, astronomers haven’t turned up any promising signals between the 1 and 10 GHz frequency range.[B] This rules out large omnidirectional transmitters, those of approximately 100 times humanity’s total terrestrial energy use in the case of narrowband, and 10 million times our energy use in the case of broadband.[/B] These may sound like enormously high limits, but SETI reminds us that any society able to build a Dyson swarm would have access to inconceivably vast amounts of energy; approaching 10^27 Watts. Even if they’re only using a teensy tiny fraction of this energy for signaling, it would still be detectable.[/QUOTE] No wonder why they don't have any funding, it's impossible to get any fucking signal from here to there anyway. Even if it WAS a Dyson Sphere, and they WERE transmitting signals between their own respective planets, they wouldn't be able to physically detect them anyway. tl;dl we're alone, aliens don't exist, Jesus Christ is still King.

Or it was real and it moved, or detected us looking at them and hid themselves from us. Maybe we aren't alone. Maybe the rest of the universe doesn't want us to find them. Maybe everybody thinks we are a bunch of assholes. We think we are a bunch of assholes.

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;49063564]Or it was real and it moved, or detected us looking at them and hid themselves from us.[/QUOTE] It would take them years to detect us looking at them if they even could.

they would just be seeing a bunch of cavemen

[QUOTE=_Axel;49063640]It would take them years to detect us looking at them if they even could.[/QUOTE] Considering it would be an advanced civilization with enough energy and intelligence to build a dyson sphere megastructure in space, I would question the premise that such an entity would operate under the same unresolved limitations that we, a civilization who can barely throw bullshit up into our our exosphere operate under. Assuming 'dyson spheres' or alien megastructures, or aliens for that matter are real, which I have my doubts about as much as anybody else, I'm not sure I would come to facepunch to get my facts on how something would hypothetically work in an advanced alien civilization based on equally limited comprehension of astrophysics. How do you know, in this hypothetical situation that it would take them years? How do you know that hypothetically they did not see us years ago and only recently we have received the light, and in actuality it has been gone for years? I'm not sure why I am arguing this lol

I could see NASA finding proof and saying "we aint found shit" just to relax all the crazies out there just in case they will all go bat shit over the discovery that the bible is actually false.

[QUOTE=Xystus234;49063509] tl;dl we're alone, aliens don't exist, Jesus Christ is still King.[/QUOTE] Which means the universe is ripe for the taking. Get on it Humanity, we only have forever.

I'm pretty sure a civilization that can build a dyson sphere isn't going to be using radio waves for communication. They would probably use lasers or something more exotic like neutrinos. Even if they did use radio waves, they sure as hell aren't going to transmit massive amounts of power in every direction.

[QUOTE=winsanity;49063839]I'm pretty sure a civilization that can build a dyson sphere isn't going to be using radio waves for communication. They would probably use lasers or something more exotic like neutrinos. Even if they did use radio waves, they sure as hell aren't going to transmit massive amounts of power in every direction.[/QUOTE] that is the catch 22 of it though, SETI can only really search for radio broadcasts, they say that a civilization advanced enough should be capable of X level of power, but we know the practical limits to signals too, there's no point broadcasting on a terawatt's worth of power if you're just talking to some guy on the other side of the planet or solar system the only practical full-proof way to detect alien life is if they were trying to send a signal to our system, which is so unlikely to be heard, that or if they just showed up out of the blue

The new live report from SETI in all its glory: [video=youtube;bhNQ9cv5K7Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhNQ9cv5K7Q[/video]

Gee, who would have guessed.

[QUOTE=Smoked2Joints;49063810]I could see NASA finding proof and saying "we aint found shit" just to relax all the crazies out there just in case they will all go bat shit over the discovery that the bible is actually false.[/QUOTE] Why would it make the bible false? The bible says god created the universe, it doesn't say god created earth and we are alone in a black hole. Where is this logic?

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;49063939]Why would it make the bible false? The bible says god created the universe, it doesn't say god created earth and we are alone in a black hole. Where is this logic?[/QUOTE] Religion is all about subjective experiences for the sole purpose of getting the monkey mind under control. If I had LSD last night and seen Jesus, would that mean I actually met him?

[QUOTE=JohhnyCarson;49063959]Religion is all about subjective experiences for the sole purpose of getting the monkey mind under control. If I had LSD last night and seen Jesus, would that mean I actually met him?[/QUOTE] What merit does this post have on my questioning the logic of aliens=no god? You basically just reiterated that religion is used as mass mind control. To which I agree, in most cases.

[QUOTE=winsanity;49063839]I'm pretty sure a civilization that can build a dyson sphere isn't going to be using radio waves for communication. They would probably use lasers or something more exotic like neutrinos. Even if they did use radio waves, they sure as hell aren't going to transmit massive amounts of power in every direction.[/QUOTE] Why wouldn't they use radio waves? They travel at the same speed as a laser and can pretty much penetrate anything that isn't a Faraday Cage or meters of concrete with milliwatts of power.

[QUOTE=Smoked2Joints;49063810]I could see NASA finding proof and saying "we aint found shit" just to relax all the crazies out there just in case they will all go bat shit over the discovery that the bible is actually false.[/QUOTE] Sure buddy, NASA would withhold one of the most important discoveries in the history of mankind because they're afraid of "crazies".

To be honest, they haven't said anything about the potential dyson swarm. Merely that if there is one, it's not broadcasting omnidirectionally.

[QUOTE=Cakebatyr;49064040]Why wouldn't they use radio waves? They travel at the same speed as a laser and can pretty much penetrate anything that isn't a Faraday Cage or meters of concrete with milliwatts of power.[/QUOTE] What we are trying to do is basically attempt to comprehend the advanced workings of an alien super race with our confined and very limited knowledge of the universe, applying our own technology that is in its infancy compared to the type of race that would build mega structures in space. My point is we are projecting our humanity onto something that would be nothing like us in terms of intellect and technology.

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;49063564]Or it was real and it moved, or detected us looking at them and hid themselves from us. Maybe we aren't alone. Maybe the rest of the universe doesn't want us to find them. Maybe everybody thinks we are a bunch of assholes. We think we are a bunch of assholes.[/QUOTE] So they started moving within the exact time window between when we first detected them and when SETI took data, just exactly 1480 years ago. By coincidence. Sure. [editline]6th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Smoked2Joints;49063810]I could see NASA finding proof and saying "we aint found shit" just to relax all the crazies out there just in case they will all go bat shit over the discovery that the bible is actually false.[/QUOTE] Except SETI is not NASA. NASA is mostly used as the provider of instruments for scientists at separate institutions.

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;49063564]Or it was real and it moved, or detected us looking at them and hid themselves from us. Maybe we aren't alone. Maybe the rest of the universe doesn't want us to find them. Maybe everybody thinks we are a bunch of assholes. We think we are a bunch of assholes.[/QUOTE] "Ted... Hey, Ted!" "*snk* Huh-wha, huh? What?" "Wake up dude, look at the telescope!" "Alright alright, let's just... Holy shit." "Yeah." "Violent little fuckers, aren't they?" "Do you think they saw The Sphere?" "Better not take chances. Pack it up, we're moving camp!"

I've always been more interested in this. [t]http://i.space.com/images/i/000/018/772/i02/wow-signal.jpg?1340655163[/t]

[QUOTE=Falubii;49064131]So they started moving within the exact time window between when we first detected them and when SETI took data, just exactly 1480 years ago. By coincidence. Sure.[/QUOTE] Too much cynicism, How do you know they weren't just moving and didn't stop, and only now we see the light from the position they were in 1480 years ago? It's like everyone in this thread has their head in the sand. Like only the knowledge that you know at this very moment is the viable circumstance that could have taken place. Use your imagination a little! [QUOTE=Zero-Point;49064170]"Ted... Hey, Ted!" "*snk* Huh-wha, huh? What?" "Wake up dude, look at the telescope!" "Alright alright, let's just... Holy shit." "Yeah." "Violent little fuckers, aren't they?" "Do you think they saw The Sphere?" "Better not take chances. Pack it up, we're moving camp!"[/QUOTE] Finally, a man with a sense of humor!

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;49064001]What merit does this post have on my questioning the logic of aliens=no god? You basically just reiterated that religion is used as mass mind control. To which I agree, in most cases.[/QUOTE] Let me rephrase that. Its about self possession. Gaining mastery of one's own faculties and relocating the locus of control inward through various techniques that are remarkably similar to self hypnotism. Not control over others. Assuming there is a god or any thing of the like can be verified through materialistic and objective means is a false assumption. If you read the bible, they ve met him through dreams, visions and the like. Hardly objective proof or objective means to prove the existence of a mythical being.

[QUOTE=DiBBs27;49064365]Too much cynicism, How do you know they weren't just moving and didn't stop, and only now we see the light from the position they were in 1480 years ago? It's like everyone in this thread has their head in the sand. Like only the knowledge that you know at this very moment is the viable circumstance that could have taken place. Use your imagination a little! [/QUOTE] Then maybe we should scoot the telescope to the side a little bit. If you're joking whatever, but a lot of people really want to cling to this idea that there are alien structures out there at the exact same time we are looking, and then they hypothesize that these structures are probably similar to sci fi ideas we came up with in the last half-century. That's what I'd call projecting.

[QUOTE=Cakebatyr;49064040]Why wouldn't they use radio waves? They travel at the same speed as a laser and can pretty much penetrate anything that isn't a Faraday Cage or meters of concrete with milliwatts of power.[/QUOTE] Lasers would have a higher bit rate than radio waves since the beam is more concentrated. That means more of the transmitted power reaches the intended target(a receiver), which allows you to transmit faster since its easier to discern 1's from 0's. This is assuming communication over long distances(such as between planets). Radio waves may be used on the planet surface, but they would be far too weak for us to hear.

[QUOTE=Passing;49064328]I've always been more interested in this. [t]http://i.space.com/images/i/000/018/772/i02/wow-signal.jpg?1340655163[/t][/QUOTE] This signal is better. It's weaker, too weak to be a pulsar, and being sent from something that's rotating on it's axis every half hour. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_source_SHGb02%2B14a[/url] Interstellar beacon...?

I think that while we can speculate on the abilities of a hypothetical civilization, we should not assume that they can break the laws of physics as we know them. While it can be a possibility it is more likely that their technology obeys the same set of rules that we do. It is also more productive to speculate based on evidence.

[QUOTE=JohhnyCarson;49064395]Let me rephrase that. Its about self possession. Gaining mastery of one's own faculties and relocating the locus of control inward through various techniques that are remarkably similar to self hypnotism. Not control over others. Assuming there is a god or any thing of the like can be verified through materialistic and objective means is a false assumption. If you read the bible, they ve met him through dreams, visions and the like. Hardly objective proof or objective means to prove the existence of a mythical being.[/QUOTE] Okay but nothing you said actually has anything to do with,[QUOTE=DiBBs27;49063939]Why would it make the bible false?[/QUOTE] See, all you did was give some rhetoric without even addressing the actual question DiBBs27 raised, you simply didn't answer it at all. Let's run with what you said, let's assume that religion is just self-hypnosis or whatever. I don't have my fedora so forgive me, but how does that actively make religious belief and the existence of alien species incompatible? Why does there need to be one or the other anyway? I mean I don't prescribe to the idea of "IT IS EITHER RELIGION OR IT'S SCIENCE, PICK ONE" because I'm not insane, but I am curious about the line of thought that gets people to that point.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49065862]Okay but nothing you said actually has anything to do with, See, all you did was give some rhetoric without even addressing the actual question DiBBs27 raised, you simply didn't answer it at all. Let's run with what you said, let's assume that religion is just self-hypnosis or whatever. I don't have my fedora so forgive me, but how does that actively make religious belief and the existence of alien species incompatible? Why does there need to be one or the other anyway? I mean I don't prescribe to the idea of "IT IS EITHER RELIGION OR IT'S SCIENCE, PICK ONE" because I'm not insane, but I am curious about the line of thought that gets people to that point.[/QUOTE] Well it probably doesn't challenge any the wishy-washy, vaguely spiritual "I think maybe there's some non-specific creator" sorts of beliefs, but it does bring up all sorts of questions about if all the other life in the universe disappointed god by discovering sin, and if he had to send Jesus to all those planets to die for their sins as well.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;49066050]Well it probably doesn't challenge any the wishy-washy, vaguely spiritual "I think maybe there's some non-specific creator" sorts of beliefs, but it does bring up all sorts of questions about if all the other life in the universe disappointed god by discovering sin, and if he had to send Jesus to all those planets to die for their sins as well.[/QUOTE]Okay, but you're assuming that they need their own alien Jesus to begin with. Going by Christian theology, if Christ died on the cross for nondescript sins that God had felt the puny mortals were committing all the time then the lamb's sacrifice (God's son being the lamb) would put [I]all[/I] those to rest. In fact if there were an alien delegation that went to the pope [I]right now[/I] and asked where they stood and where their ancestors stood, they'd likely fall under the same rules as prehistoric man because Judaism (and by extension Christianity) did not ever spread there. Then there's the issue of monotheism in extraterrestrial cultures, if they had a religion and it had a singular deity that coincided with Christian belief I'm pretty sure nearly all Christians would recognize that as God's presence. Also going back to the subject of Jesus, if there's a martyr figure in this hypothetical religion it would pretty be seen as irrefutable proof of a Judeo-Christian deity existing. So how does his comments raise questions exactly? I'm certain an actual practicing Christian could probably do it better, but I think I answered what you pulled from that pretty well.