• Taxation, and your views on what people should pay.
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I've seen a lot of bickering over this, things like "Tax the rich, they have the money, why not?" . So let's have a well thought discussion on taxing. To me, the only fair way to go about taxes is for everyone to pay the same [b]percentage[/b] of their funds.
I'm a fan of flat tax myself. Unfortunately the rich hate paying any taxes ever and find ways to get around it.
[QUOTE=Bletotum;25121387]To me, the only fair way to go about taxes is for everyone to pay the same [b]percentage[/b] of their funds.[/QUOTE] No.
But why no? edit Pureoath I agree, I heard that you get less taxes for owning some amount of cattle, someplace in the US/all. Silly.
Because flat tax does jack shit and only harms the poor and does nothing to the rich. Plus diminishing wealth problems.
[QUOTE=Bletotum;25121493]But why no?[/QUOTE] Because when the richer person gets taxed by let's say, 15 percent, it doesn't diminish their quality of life in anyway. But for the poorer person, 15 percent of their income can really put a dent in their financial situation.
And here we go.
The poor need all the money they can get.
No taxation without representation!
How can a flat percentage harm the poor? They'd pay some reasonable amount of their funds, and the rich would pay more because they have more, but that being decided by a percentage. edit Well it doesn't have to be 15% or anything. If someone is in goddamn poverty they'd get a break in there somewhere, just like for having spouse/children. Plus the way I see it, be it cruel or something, is that it's their own fault in the end if they're so poor they can't pay any tax.
[QUOTE=ryasnack1;25121527]No taxation without representation![/QUOTE] Live free or die!
It should be a percentage so the poor can afford to pay and the rich wouldn't mind losing. But no one wants high taxes and then a lot of them complain about the roads, etc.
Tax the rich. Corporate feudalism always seemed unfair to me.
[QUOTE=QuikKill;25121550]It should be a percentage so the poor can afford to pay and the rich wouldn't mind losing. But no one wants high taxes and then a lot of them complain about the roads, etc.[/QUOTE] nobody wants high taxes america pays the lowest taxes in the world(in a first world country that is modern) yet they complain about the tiniest increase in taxes because they are dumb
[QUOTE=Bletotum;25121535]How can a flat percentage harm the poor? They'd pay some reasonable amount of their funds, and the rich would pay more because they have more, but that being decided by a percentage.[/QUOTE] Because if you get by on $10,000 a year, $1,500 is a lot of money, whereas if I'm making $200,000, I would still be left with "only" $170,000
35 percent to with more national programs EG National heathcare, free public transit, good employment insurance, etc. Honestly canada (where I live) mismanaged the 34 percent they take alot. Other countries like sweden can handle providing more for the citizens using taxes. But the US fucks us over trade wise and as such we get screwed.
[QUOTE=Bletotum;25121535]How can a flat percentage harm the poor? They'd pay some reasonable amount of their funds, and the rich would pay more because they have more, but that being decided by a percentage. edit Well it doesn't have to be 15% or anything. If someone is in goddamn poverty they'd get a break in there somewhere, just like for having spouse/children. Plus the way I see it, be it cruel or something, is that it's their own fault in the end if they're so poor they can't pay any tax.[/QUOTE] you do realize many people can't help being poor. such is life in capitalism. the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. how the fuck is it their fault?
[QUOTE=Treybuchet;25121580]because they are dumb[/QUOTE] Hard to argue with that logic
DID YOU KNOW? if the government did more programs like free public transit and shit like that higher taxes wouldn't be as big of a deal because you'd have less to spend them on >B)
So if I earn money, I should have to give away more percentage than those who didn't succeed? Because they didn't try? Sounds like the poor are lazy if the argument is just because they're poor. A poor person's living conditions should be directly proportional to the amount of money they make. Therefore whatever percentage would not harm them too badly. A rich person has more costly living conditions, and the percent would affect them in the same way. edit Not my fault if those who can't afford a percentage are buying more than they have.
[QUOTE=Bletotum;25121535]How can a flat percentage harm the poor? They'd pay some reasonable amount of their funds, and the rich would pay more because they have more, but that being decided by a percentage. edit Well it doesn't have to be 15% or anything. If someone is in goddamn poverty they'd get a break in there somewhere, just like for having spouse/children. Plus the way I see it, be it cruel or something, is that it's their own fault in the end if they're so poor they can't pay any tax.[/QUOTE] some people are born into poverty, and can't afford to get out of it
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;25121609]you do realize many people can't help being poor. such is life in capitalism. the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. how the fuck is it their fault?[/QUOTE] boooooooooorn in the usaaa
[QUOTE=Bletotum;25121641]So if I earn money, I should have to give away more percentage than those who didn't succeed? Because they didn't try? Sounds like the poor are lazy if the argument is just because they're poor. A poor person's living conditions should be directly proportional to the amount of money they make. Therefore whatever percentage would not harm them too badly. A rich person has more costly living conditions, and the percent would affect them in the same way.[/QUOTE] >everybody who is poor is a lazy idiot who didn't try you have no idea how our economy/capitalism works.
[QUOTE=Bletotum;25121535]How can a flat percentage harm the poor? They'd pay some reasonable amount of their funds, and the rich would pay more because they have more, but that being decided by a percentage. edit Well it doesn't have to be 15% or anything. If someone is in goddamn poverty they'd get a break in there somewhere, just like for having spouse/children. Plus the way I see it, be it cruel or something, is that it's their own fault in the end if they're so poor they can't pay any tax.[/QUOTE] why bother with a flat tax then? if you take the % low enough so poor people wont be affected then the % will be too low for the taxes on the rich to be useless. if you start giving tax breaks to people that are really poor then it's not a flat tax. flat taxes are stupid
[QUOTE=Bletotum;25121641]So if I earn money, I should have to give away more percentage than those who didn't succeed? Because they didn't try? Sounds like the poor are lazy if the argument is just because they're poor. [/QUOTE] because obviously poor people don't get a worse education, can't go to college(they need to help support their family + college is expensive) and dont have a lot of other things that would prevent them from not being poor nope poor people are just lazy as hell and don't feel like getting high paying jobs like the rich if they just got up off their fat asses maybe they would be making money and then we wouldn't have the poor, and this thread wouldn't matter
[QUOTE=Bletotum;25121641]So if I earn money, I should have to give away more percentage than those who didn't succeed? Because they didn't try? Sounds like the poor are lazy if the argument is just because they're poor. A poor person's living conditions should be directly proportional to the amount of money they make. Therefore whatever percentage would not harm them too badly. A rich person has more costly living conditions, and the percent would affect them in the same way. edit Not my fault if those who can't afford a percentage are buying more than they have.[/QUOTE] you are a idiot. go live in a anarchist country if you're so sick of giving back to the country that made you what you are
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;25121728]you are a idiot. go live in[B] a anarchist country[/B] if you're so sick of giving back to the country that made you what you are[/QUOTE] what
i say that taxes should be proportionate to income taxes = 0.15 * income or something like that
But what you're saying is that those who are very poor pay next to nothing if anything, while the very rich lose high amounts like 50%? Sounds like it's only hurting those who [i]earned[/i] their money.
[QUOTE=Treybuchet;25121747]what[/QUOTE] what?
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