[B]What is gymnastics/calisthenics?[/B]
Definition 1: Physical exercises designed to develop and display strength, balance, and agility, especially those performed on or with specialized apparatus.
Definition 2: The art or practice of such exercises.
[B]Example of exercises and moves:
[/B][IMG]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSjyzuiV_aXT0ZJlhi1C-D1QyUhqQxWHjFN17oCSVxT6DPlTZ4y-Yo2MuuGHw[/IMG]
[IMG]http://0.tqn.com/d/gymnastics/1/0/c/-/-/-/Jovtchev01.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://www.australianclimatemadness.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/backflip.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.stadion.com/images/split-toes-up.jpg[/IMG]
[B]Videos:
[/B][video=youtube;QmArjI2TFoM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmArjI2TFoM[/video]
[video=youtube;aordlQ2cGbU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aordlQ2cGbU[/video]
[B]Rago, do you do gymnastics?
[/B]Of course I do!
[video=youtube;xDD6ofxzK80]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDD6ofxzK80&feature=g-upl[/video]
[video=youtube;jySJQcsGGh0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jySJQcsGGh0&feature=g-upl[/video]
Where are the chicks?
[QUOTE=Falubii;38584815]Where are the chicks?[/QUOTE]
No women here in Facepunch...
Used to do some gymnastics but since i started lifting and putting weight on all i can really do now is L-sit to handstand
[QUOTE=Ryz0;38593206]Used to do some gymnastics but since i started lifting and putting weight on all i can really do now is L-sit to handstand[/QUOTE]
You should post a video!
Also, got my first giants!
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5PYQ-ha-WQ&feature=g-u[/media]
hi, sweet thread and very impressive videos
i need some advice on progressions. How long should I be able to hold a position, e.g. a tuck front lever, before moving on to a harder variation? Right now I'm trying to get to 3 sets of 25 seconds before moving on, do you think I could still progress effectively if I only did 3 sets of maybe 10 seconds?
[QUOTE=Barnhouse;38739624]hi, sweet thread and very impressive videos
i need some advice on progressions. How long should I be able to hold a position, e.g. a tuck front lever, before moving on to a harder variation? Right now I'm trying to get to 3 sets of 25 seconds before moving on, do you think I could still progress effectively if I only did 3 sets of maybe 10 seconds?[/QUOTE]
Take your max and divide it by 2. Do 3-5 sets of them 3x a week. Keep doing this for 5 weeks and then take 1 week pause and check your max at the end of the week. Repeat the procedure. You should be able to hold a 60s tuck front lever before you move on to an advanced tuck front lever
This looks like something that I could greatly benefit from. How would one begin to get into this sort of thing?
[QUOTE=CottonTM;38816771]This looks like something that I could greatly benefit from. How would one begin to get into this sort of thing?[/QUOTE]
Depends, if you really want to do gymnastics you should go to a local gymnastics club. If you want to do only strength moves or only flips, you should just practice with other people or alone. I don't recommend training flips alone. Strength moves however can be trained wherever and whenever! So if you end up in prison, you know what you should do :)
[QUOTE=Rago;38853462]Depends, if you really want to do gymnastics you should go to a local gymnastics club. If you want to do only strength moves or only flips, you should just practice with other people or alone. I don't recommend training flips alone. Strength moves however can be trained wherever and whenever! So if you end up in prison, you know what you should do :)[/QUOTE]
I'm interested in it for strength, but primarily for improving balance. I mountain bike and this seems like a great complimentary sport. Do you have any specific exercises I could try without buying equipment? I have a gym membership.
Is this kind of stuff counterproductive to weightlifting or vice versa? I feel like it would really help with my rockclimbing and was trying to find some gymnastic rings for Christmas, but couldn't find any and was wondering if the fact that I lift weights would impede maneuverability.
[QUOTE=H4yd3n;38887034] was wondering if the fact that I lift weights would impede maneuverability.[/QUOTE]
No.
[QUOTE=CottonTM;38867323]I'm interested in it for strength, but primarily for improving balance. I mountain bike and this seems like a great complimentary sport. Do you have any specific exercises I could try without buying equipment? I have a gym membership.[/QUOTE]
You don't need any equipment for calisthenics. Your l-sit, handstand and pushups are your basics. You need to have a solid 30 push-ups. You need to be able to do a handstand for 30 seconds without a wall and you need to be able to do a l-sit. So, which ones can you already do?
[QUOTE=H4yd3n;38887034]Is this kind of stuff counterproductive to weightlifting or vice versa? I feel like it would really help with my rockclimbing and was trying to find some gymnastic rings for Christmas, but couldn't find any and was wondering if the fact that I lift weights would impede maneuverability.[/QUOTE]
Most rockclimbers follow a gymnastics strength plan. I personally would train calisthenics instead of lifting weights if I were a rockclimber.
I've acquired some books on bodyweight strength training (such as Convict Conditioning, The Naked Warrior, and Never Gymless.) I plan on starting strength training exclusively using calisthenics. I'm taking advice on all the books and coming up with my own routines and strategies. I feel like calisthenics is more in-line with my goals (which to my layman's perspective seems to promote agility, balance, and relative strength more than free-weight training does, and is a lot cheaper than equipment and/or a gym membership which I simply can not afford. In addition, it looks like a whole lot of fun to me.)
So far I like the philosophy behind Never Gymless the most (Convict Condition, for example, has a really nasty "free-weights are the devil, only [I]real[/I] men use calisthenics" bias that I don't believe in, whereas Never Gymless promotes a "different strokes for different folks" viewpoint,) but the routines and progression from Convict Conditioning at face value seem the best for me. I'm hoping that in ~2 years or so I'll be able to do things like handstand pushups. I like the section in Never Gymless about conditioning, so I plan on incorporating that into later stages of my Convict Conditioning program. (I plan on doing only light cardio when I'm starting out, such as walking 2 miles a day which puts my heart rate into the 120 bpm range.)
Does anybody have any advice for me starting out? Are any of my ideas fallacious? Is this a worthwhile pursuit if I plan on gaining general fitness?
would bust my shit doing gymnastics, simply too heavy and tall.
gymnastics are meant for short and stout people, anyone over 5'8 is gonna struggle.
I've been following a mix of convict conditioning + overcoming gravity for about 6 months now, gone from a lolcardio skinnyfat, to looking like bruce lee and able to do shit like pistol squats, headstand pushups, L-sit, advanced tuck planche, stand-to-stand bridging, and i'm getting [I]very[/I] close to being able to do pullover pullups and one-arm pushups. [IMG]http://sae.tweek.us/static/images/emoticons/emot-c00l.gif[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Bleach Qeef;39701317]would bust my shit doing gymnastics, simply too heavy and tall.
gymnastics are meant for short and stout people, anyone over 5'8 is gonna struggle.[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://www.gymnasticbodies.com/forum/page/index.html/_/everyday-champions/everyday-champion-erik-r125"]no you fucking aren't.[/URL]
[editline]27th February 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;39701304]I've acquired some books on bodyweight strength training (such as Convict Conditioning, The Naked Warrior, and Never Gymless.) I plan on starting strength training exclusively using calisthenics. I'm taking advice on all the books and coming up with my own routines and strategies. I feel like calisthenics is more in-line with my goals (which to my layman's perspective seems to promote agility, balance, and relative strength more than free-weight training does, and is a lot cheaper than equipment and/or a gym membership which I simply can not afford. In addition, it looks like a whole lot of fun to me.)
So far I like the philosophy behind Never Gymless the most (Convict Condition, for example, has a really nasty "free-weights are the devil, only [I]real[/I] men use calisthenics" bias that I don't believe in, whereas Never Gymless promotes a "different strokes for different folks" viewpoint,) but the routines and progression from Convict Conditioning at face value seem the best for me. I'm hoping that in ~2 years or so I'll be able to do things like handstand pushups. I like the section in Never Gymless about conditioning, so I plan on incorporating that into later stages of my Convict Conditioning program. (I plan on doing only light cardio when I'm starting out, such as walking 2 miles a day which puts my heart rate into the 120 bpm range.)
Does anybody have any advice for me starting out? Are any of my ideas fallacious? Is this a worthwhile pursuit if I plan on gaining general fitness?[/QUOTE]
I suggest reading overcoming gravity, what's especially neat about the book is the author is a moderator of [URL="http://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness"]r/bodyweightfitness.[/URL] That subreddit also has a [I]lot[/I] of great info and assistance.
Also unless you're really overweight, it shouldn't take more than a few months to get to where you can do headstand pushups(handstand pushups are full range-of-motion and require you to elevate your hands from the ground), against a wall at least. Doing them free handstanding will take a bit longer.
[QUOTE=Loen;39730914]I've been following a mix of convict conditioning + overcoming gravity for about 6 months now, gone from a lolcardio skinnyfat, to looking like bruce lee and able to do shit like pistol squats, headstand pushups, L-sit, advanced tuck planche, stand-to-stand bridging, and i'm getting [I]very[/I] close to being able to do pullover pullups and one-arm pushups. [IMG]http://sae.tweek.us/static/images/emoticons/emot-c00l.gif[/IMG]
[URL="https://www.gymnasticbodies.com/forum/page/index.html/_/everyday-champions/everyday-champion-erik-r125"]no you fucking aren't.[/URL]
[editline]27th February 2013[/editline]
I suggest reading overcoming gravity, what's especially neat about the book is the author is a moderator of [URL="http://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness"]r/bodyweightfitness.[/URL] That subreddit also has a [I]lot[/I] of great info and assistance.
Also unless you're really overweight, it shouldn't take more than a few months to get to where you can do headstand pushups(handstand pushups are full range-of-motion and require you to elevate your hands from the ground), against a wall at least. Doing them free handstanding will take a bit longer.[/QUOTE]
But Qeef is on a permabulk and he's heavy as fuck, that guy might be tall as hell but he's scrawny as shit.
[QUOTE=Loen;39730914]I've been following a mix of convict conditioning + overcoming gravity for about 6 months now, gone from a lolcardio skinnyfat, to looking like bruce lee and able to do shit like pistol squats, headstand pushups, L-sit, advanced tuck planche, stand-to-stand bridging, and i'm getting [I]very[/I] close to being able to do pullover pullups and one-arm pushups. [IMG]http://sae.tweek.us/static/images/emoticons/emot-c00l.gif[/IMG]
[URL="https://www.gymnasticbodies.com/forum/page/index.html/_/everyday-champions/everyday-champion-erik-r125"]no you fucking aren't.[/URL]
[editline]27th February 2013[/editline]
I suggest reading overcoming gravity, what's especially neat about the book is the author is a moderator of [URL="http://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness"]r/bodyweightfitness.[/URL] That subreddit also has a [I]lot[/I] of great info and assistance.
Also unless you're really overweight, it shouldn't take more than a few months to get to where you can do headstand pushups(handstand pushups are full range-of-motion and require you to elevate your hands from the ground), against a wall at least. Doing them free handstanding will take a bit longer.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the advice. I've actually started to read a whole host of books.
[img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7333627/ShareX/2013-02/2013-02-27_20-02-53.png[/img]
You mentioned you started out skinny. I'm actually underweight, and trying to gain some weight while doing this. Is gaining weight + doing body weight exercises counter-productive?
[editline]27th February 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Heigou;39732628]But Qeef is on a permabulk and he's heavy as fuck, that guy might be tall as hell but he's scrawny as shit.[/QUOTE]
But he didn't say "people who are on permabulk will struggle," or "heavy people will struggle," he said "people who are taller than 5'8" are gonna struggle."
So which one is it? Is the 5'8" thing conditional or something? And if it is conditional, is it even worth mentioning at all?
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;39742027]Thanks for the advice. I've actually started to read a whole host of books.
[img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7333627/ShareX/2013-02/2013-02-27_20-02-53.png[/img]
You mentioned you started out skinny. I'm actually underweight, and trying to gain some weight while doing this. Is gaining weight + doing body weight exercises counter-productive?
[editline]27th February 2013[/editline]
But he didn't say "people who are on permabulk will struggle," or "heavy people will struggle," he said "people who are taller than 5'8" are gonna struggle."
So which one is it? Is the 5'8" thing conditional or something? And if it is conditional, is it even worth mentioning at all?[/QUOTE]
well in general taller people have it harder at gymnastics due to coordination, balance, long ass femurs ect, basically the same reason they suck at squatting/lifting. Yes there are always exceptions and I know a lot, but in general being tall and gymnastics don't go together. There's a reason why everyone on the olympic team is a fucking midget.
And I also weigh 260lbs. Goodnight sweet already fuck up'ed wrists.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;39742027]You mentioned you started out skinny. I'm actually underweight, and trying to gain some weight while doing this. Is gaining weight + doing body weight exercises counter-productive?[/QUOTE]
It's no different than weightlifting and bodybuilding. Eat a caloric surplus and lift heavy things.
One thing worth noting though, is that bodyweight exercise favours being lean much more so compared to weightlifting. Less fat = easier exercise due to being lighter, better coordination. But since you're underweight and still a beginner I'd say don't worry about this for now.
[editline]28th February 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Bleach Qeef;39743066]And I also weigh 260lbs. Goodnight sweet already fuck up'ed wrists.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.pandf.com.au/docs/2012/wrist-mobility_bodyline-exercises_handstands.pdf"]Fix yo wrists.[/URL] I used to have problems with mine, but now I can handstand with my palms facing up.
[QUOTE=Bleach Qeef;39743066]well in general taller people have it harder at gymnastics due to coordination, balance, long ass femurs ect, basically the same reason they suck at squatting/lifting. Yes there are always exceptions and I know a lot, but in general being tall and gymnastics don't go together. There's a reason why everyone on the olympic team is a fucking midget.
And I also weigh 260lbs. Goodnight sweet already fuck up'ed wrists.[/QUOTE]
You can still achieve a lot, and I don't think your goal is to be in the Olympic games.
Also, cool to know that there are more people on Facepunch who are interested in this! Was in Dubai this week, got this picture of me doing a straddle planche:
[IMG]http://oi49.tinypic.com/mh7m8z.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Rago;39771836]You can still achieve a lot, and I don't think your goal is to be in the Olympic games.
Also, cool to know that there are more people on Facepunch who are interested in this! Was in Dubai this week, got this picture of me doing a straddle planche:
[IMG]http://oi49.tinypic.com/mh7m8z.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Yeah, my goals so far are:
-Get to weigh 150 pounds in 2 years
-Perform a flag for 10 seconds in 2 years.
-Achieve level 2 for any of the bodyweight stuff [url=http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2009/12/skill-guidelines-for-building-strong-useful-adaptable-athletes/]here[/url] in 2 years.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;39772042]Yeah, my goals so far are:
-Get to weigh 150 pounds in 2 years
-Perform a flag for 10 seconds in 2 years.
-Achieve level 2 for any of the bodyweight stuff [url=http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2009/12/skill-guidelines-for-building-strong-useful-adaptable-athletes/]here[/url] in 2 years.[/QUOTE]
I've been training for 2 years and I achieved double of what is there. You'll notice how soon you will progress, unless you're extremely fat... Then again, you could be extremely fat, I don't know anything about you, but if you start out skinny, you can reach those goals easily.
Yeah I'm actually underweight.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;39783881]Yeah I'm actually underweight.[/QUOTE]
Are you tall?
5"11'. I started two weeks ago at 112 pounds but today I weigh 114 pounds.
jesus mane.
5'11 and 114.
thats some serious shit, and unhealthy as hell. Not saying that i'm healthier than you, but I literally weigh well over twice as much as you at the same height.
I'm 5'6, 130 lbs, and about 12-14% BF and [I]i'm[/I] skinny. That would be like if I weighed ~95 lbs; anorexic thin.
Every bit of weight you'd gain at that size would probably be literally pure muscle mass.
[QUOTE=Rago;38626283]You should post a video!
Also, got my first giants!
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5PYQ-ha-WQ&feature=g-u[/media][/QUOTE]
That looks really fun. I remember when you first started, man. You've come such a long way!
[QUOTE=Binsky;39807564]That looks really fun. I remember when you first started, man. You've come such a long way![/QUOTE]
Be careful
Soon Binsky will be asking you to come show him the tuck planche in person at his dorm room, and all you'll hear is the noise of a zipper being undone before you feel a sharp pain lodged firmly in your buttocks
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