• DOJ clears Darren Wilson in Michael Brown death
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[url]http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/justice-department-clears-darren-wilson-michael-brown-killing[/url] [QUOTE]The decision comes six months after Wilson shot an unarmed Brown dead, sparking massive outcry and galvanizing activists nationwide who have since called for an end to police brutality generally, and specifically, the killing of unarmed African-Americans by police.[/QUOTE]
Of course there will be controversy but honestly I hope this decision marks the end to this case.
So the police department is as a whole racist but the actions of the officers in said department are not racially motivated....
[QUOTE=Sableye;47259453]So the police department is as a whole racist but the actions of the officers in said department are not racially motivated....[/QUOTE] This isn't about whether or not the department was racist, or whether or not Wilson was racist. It's about whether or not Wilson was justified, and evidence by the coroner says yes he was. This is America, we don't convict people of crimes based purely on the political beliefs we think they hold.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;47259478]This isn't about whether or not the department was racist, or whether or not Wilson was racist. It's about whether or not Wilson was justified, and evidence by the coroner says yes he was. This is America, we don't convict people of crimes based purely on the political beliefs we think they hold.[/QUOTE] True but I find it interesting the DoJ said yesterday the department was overwhelmingly racially motivated and today they say the officers of the department did not act with racial motivation or at the very least profile Michael brown
[QUOTE=Sableye;47259569]True but I find it interesting the DoJ said yesterday the department was overwhelmingly racially motivated and today they say the officers of the department did not act with racial motivation or at the very least profile Michael brown[/QUOTE] well brown and johnson both fit the description of the two people who robbed a convenience store earlier that day
[QUOTE=Sableye;47259569]True but I find it interesting the DoJ said yesterday the department was overwhelmingly racially motivated and today they say the officers of the department did not act with racial motivation or at the very least profile Michael brown[/QUOTE] No, they said: [quote]Michael Brown’s death, though a tragedy, did not involve prosecutable conduct on the part of Officer Wilson,[/quote] Who knows if that's just an attempt to soothe potential riots or they have evidence that the events unfolded how they did in part due to profiling and/or racism in that particular case. [editline]4th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=SoaringScout;47259604]well brown and johnson both fit the description of the two people who robbed a convenience store earlier that day[/QUOTE] Wasn't he actually the person that robbed the place?
[QUOTE=Sableye;47259453]So the police department is as a whole racist but the actions of the officers in said department are not racially motivated....[/QUOTE] They can have evidence that the police department as an institution has engaged in racial discrimination but not be able to find evidence that [i]this particular case[/i] is an example of it.
Did we ever get the dash cam?
[QUOTE=DaMastez;47259641]Wasn't he actually the person that robbed the place?[/QUOTE] yes
[QUOTE=SoaringScout;47259731]yes[/QUOTE] nope, not even an established fact [url]http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/08/ferguson-store-owner-says-he-doesnt-believe-thats-mike-brown-on-surveillance-video/[/url] [url]http://fox2now.com/2014/08/15/store-owners-talk-about-surveillance-released/[/url]
[QUOTE=Sableye;47259569]True but I find it interesting the DoJ said yesterday the department was overwhelmingly racially motivated and today they say the officers of the department did not act with racial motivation or at the very least profile Michael brown[/QUOTE] How is it racially motivated? Mike Brown punched the cop in the face and went for his gun. The cop fought back and was legally justified in his actions.
[QUOTE=djshox;47259888]nope, not even an established fact [url]http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/08/ferguson-store-owner-says-he-doesnt-believe-thats-mike-brown-on-surveillance-video/[/url] [url]http://fox2now.com/2014/08/15/store-owners-talk-about-surveillance-released/[/url][/QUOTE] The counter current news story is full of hilarious conjecture and outright lies. The only thing in part of that story thats even remotely credible is the fact that the store owners said they didnt want to get involved in the controversy and that it was a customer that called while the clerk was being pushed around by the robber. No shit the dude fending off the 6'6 300 pound thug didnt have time to call the cops before a customer did. But clearly you and your single piece of pseudo journalism from a laughable source know more than the DoJ. Lmao.
Still wondering why the DoJ had to get involved in this, same with the Trayvon Martin case. Also, can people stop the fucking racism card? Wilson wasn't racist, nor was Zimmerman for that matter.
[QUOTE=Samg381;47259378]Of course there will be controversy but honestly I hope this decision marks the end to this case.[/QUOTE] rioters won't rest because the DOJ said no, it'll continue regardless
Al Sharpton and crew really really really wanted this case to be open and shut about racism. It's funny watching them slowly tip toe away from it now that it's obvious that it isn't about race at all.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;47260144]Al Sharpton and crew really really really wanted this case to be open and shut about racism. It's funny watching them slowly tip toe away from it now that it's obvious that it isn't about race at all.[/QUOTE] I'm sure they will still call the race card on this. They like to constantly play the race card to create more friction between African Americans and the Police, etc.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;47260144]Al Sharpton and crew really really really wanted this case to be open and shut about racism. It's funny watching them slowly tip toe away from it now that it's obvious that it isn't about race at all.[/QUOTE] As if to imply they won't persist it's about racism?
[QUOTE=HawkeyeTy;47260055]The counter current news story is full of hilarious conjecture and outright lies. The only thing in part of that story thats even remotely credible is the fact that the store owners said they didnt want to get involved in the controversy and that it was a customer that called while the clerk was being pushed around by the robber. No shit the dude fending off the 6'6 300 pound thug didnt have time to call the cops before a customer did. But clearly you and your single piece of pseudo journalism from a laughable source know more than the DoJ. Lmao.[/QUOTE] hi yes your wild conjecture and dumb assumptions aren't refuting anything, just displaying your paranoid fear of the "big, black scary man" Darren Wilson noted the same fear as well, despite being the same height and relatively same weight you can still search for statements from the owner's lawyer and you'll find the same response, that they still have not identified him as the "thug" I try to believe FP is a progressive leaning place, but I forget the racism is still alive and well, especially with pointless posts like yours this entire investigation has been a complete mess from the beginning, yet very few here have questioned the missing pieces and constant mistakes
[QUOTE=djshox;47260281]hi yes your wild conjecture and dumb assumptions aren't refuting anything, just displaying your paranoid fear of the "big, black scary man" Darren Wilson noted the same fear as well, despite being the same height and relatively same weight you can still search for statements from the owner's lawyer and you'll find the same response, that they still have not identified him as the "thug" I try to believe FP is a progressive leaning place, but I forget the racism is still alive and well, especially with pointless posts like yours this entire investigation has been a complete mess from the beginning, yet very few here have questioned the missing pieces and constant mistakes[/QUOTE] you can still call somebody big and scary even if they're the same height as you.
[QUOTE=djshox;47260281]hi yes your wild conjecture and dumb assumptions aren't refuting anything, just displaying your paranoid fear of the "big, black scary man" Darren Wilson noted the same fear as well, despite being the same height and relatively same weight you can still search for statements from the owner's lawyer and you'll find the same response, that they still have not identified him as the "thug" I try to believe FP is a progressive leaning place, but I forget the racism is still alive and well, especially with pointless posts like yours this entire investigation has been a complete mess from the beginning, yet very few here have questioned the missing pieces and constant mistakes[/QUOTE] So you'll readily discard evidence that doesn't fit with your world view? There's no racism in his post. A 6'6 300lb guy of any race when acting aggressive is scary.
[QUOTE=djshox;47260281]hi yes your wild conjecture and dumb assumptions aren't refuting anything, just displaying your paranoid fear of the "big, black scary man" Darren Wilson noted the same fear as well, despite being the same height and relatively same weight you can still search for statements from the owner's lawyer and you'll find the same response, that they still have not identified him as the "thug" I try to believe FP is a progressive leaning place, but I forget the racism is still alive and well, especially with pointless posts like yours this entire investigation has been a complete mess from the beginning, yet very few here have questioned the missing pieces and constant mistakes[/QUOTE] "I have evidence that the DoJ overlooked but I'm not going to post it." You're a joke.
Why does Darren Wilson immediately get the benefit of the doubt from the start, but Michael Brown is instantly convicted in the court of public opinion for robbing a convenience store when the clerk can't even give a positive ID? Maybe he did rob the place but last time I checked robbery is a less serious crime than unlawfully shooting someone. (Hypothetically assuming the worst in the actions of both people)
[QUOTE=Zeke129;47260834]Why does Darren Wilson immediately get the benefit of the doubt from the start, but Michael Brown is instantly convicted in the court of public opinion for robbing a convenience store when the clerk can't even give a positive ID? Maybe he did rob the place but last time I checked robbery is a less serious crime than unlawfully shooting someone. (Hypothetically assuming the worst in the actions of both people)[/QUOTE] Robbery is less serious of a crime, however when you start a confrontation with an officer, including hitting him and attempting to steal his gun, that more or less warrants shooting someone.
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;47260102]Still wondering why the DoJ had to get involved in this, same with the Trayvon Martin case. Also, can people stop the fucking racism card? Wilson wasn't racist, nor was Zimmerman for that matter.[/QUOTE] Zimmerman's clearly been shown to be unnecessarily aggressive, though. Racist, probably not. Wilson, racist, probably not. But the entire Ferguson PD was given a scathing report by the DOJ about how they consistently focused their efforts on black individuals. 16,000 out of 21,000 people in Ferguson have had outstanding warrants. 95% of arrests were of black individuals in a town where only 67% of people are black. I'm incredibly happy the DOJ got involved, because it's providing legitimate, statistical evidence supporting the grievances of black citizens in areas like Ferguson. Somehow, people who haven't lived in areas with high racial tensions manage to make wide-ranging judgments about how "they're just playing the race card," even though it's astoundingly clear that police departments across the country are profiteering on the impoverished and black. But no, they're playing the race card. On an issue rooted in race. They can't do that, they need to pretend race doesn't exist to discuss issues about racism. What the fuck kind of thinking is that - you need to recognize race to discuss racism. [editline]4th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Pilot1215;47260245]I'm sure they will still call the race card on this. They like to constantly play the race card to create more friction between African Americans and the Police, etc.[/QUOTE] I despise Al Sharpton as much as the next person, but jesus christ, [I]it is absolutely necessary to recognize race when discussing race issues.[/I] It's not pulling the race card if it's been found that the entire fucking police department almost solely arrested black people. There is no pulling of the race card going on anywhere. [B]People are not complaining about individual racist police officers - they're complaining about institutional racism in police departments and law enforcement.[/B] Get that through your skull. People who use the term "pulling the race card" seriously sound fucking moronic, especially when you're discussing [I]race issues.[/I]
[QUOTE=Zeke129;47260834]Why does Darren Wilson immediately get the benefit of the doubt from the start, but Michael Brown is instantly convicted in the court of public opinion for robbing a convenience store when the clerk can't even give a positive ID?[/QUOTE] Wilson was convicted the court of public opinion for the racially motivated murder of an unarmed black male who had his arms in the air. Brown will never get his trial for the robbery because of the events thereafter, but even so, I believe, with the security camera footage and matching description (along with evidence collected) that we can use inductive reasoning to say he was beyond a reasonable doubt the person who participated in the robbery of that gas station
[QUOTE=Zeke129;47260834]Why does Darren Wilson immediately get the benefit of the doubt from the start, but Michael Brown is instantly convicted in the court of public opinion for robbing a convenience store when the clerk can't even give a positive ID? Maybe he did rob the place but last time I checked robbery is a less serious crime than unlawfully shooting someone. (Hypothetically assuming the worst in the actions of both people)[/QUOTE]Did you forget the several months were Wilson was worse than Hitler because everyone who spoke to the media pretended to have witnessed Wilson executing a poor black child with his hands up and down on his knees surrendered?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;47260834]Why does Darren Wilson immediately get the benefit of the doubt from the start, but Michael Brown is instantly convicted in the court of public opinion for robbing a convenience store when the clerk can't even give a positive ID? Maybe he did rob the place but last time I checked robbery is a less serious crime than unlawfully shooting someone. (Hypothetically assuming the worst in the actions of both people)[/QUOTE] Cops always get the benefit of the doubt
While I do feel there is a growing sense of mistrust between police force and civilians in many areas in America including mine which is surprising because of how whitebread conservative it is sometimes, I do believe it is good that Darren Wilson has been cleared. However, this growing mistrust for the police force is due to many things, not just because of popular cases like these, and it only is going to cause more harm to communities. There needs to be some sort of rational way to solve this and bring up issues people have with their local police and not have to be afraid of speaking out to obvious abuses of power. There shouldn't be stupid fucking riots in the streets and shit, because that only fuels the fire.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;47261174]Zimmerman's clearly been shown to be unnecessarily aggressive, though. Racist, probably not. Wilson, racist, probably not. But the entire Ferguson PD was given a scathing report by the DOJ about how they consistently focused their efforts on black individuals. 16,000 out of 21,000 people in Ferguson have had outstanding warrants. 95% of arrests were of black individuals in a town where only 67% of people are black. I'm incredibly happy the DOJ got involved, because it's providing legitimate, statistical evidence supporting the grievances of black citizens in areas like Ferguson. Somehow, people who haven't lived in areas with high racial tensions manage to make wide-ranging judgments about how "they're just playing the race card," even though it's astoundingly clear that police departments across the country are profiteering on the impoverished and black. But no, they're playing the race card. On an issue rooted in race. They can't do that, they need to pretend race doesn't exist to discuss issues about racism. What the fuck kind of thinking is that - you need to recognize race to discuss racism. [editline]4th March 2015[/editline] I despise Al Sharpton as much as the next person, but jesus christ, [I]it is absolutely necessary to recognize race when discussing race issues.[/I] It's not pulling the race card if it's been found that the entire fucking police department almost solely arrested black people. There is no pulling of the race card going on anywhere. [B]People are not complaining about individual racist police officers - they're complaining about institutional racism in police departments and law enforcement.[/B] Get that through your skull. People who use the term "pulling the race card" seriously sound fucking moronic, especially when you're discussing [I]race issues.[/I][/QUOTE] The DoJ had no reason to get involved. Some people told racial jokes in the PD on emails and weren't stopped. Blacks were stopped more frequently, etc as well. Truth is, part of the increased number of blacks over other races is because there are more blacks in Ferguson than other races. Are some officers racist? Sure. Does that mean the entire department is racist due to the actions of a few, and statistics which don't seem to account for the fact there are more blacks than any other race in Ferguson? No. Is racism alive in police departments? Yes, same with city governments who use the cops as scapegoats. Also, I will mention the race card because I know how that shit fucking works. Al, and his pals use it every chance they get. I have a question for you. Why are low income, predominately black neighborhoods among the worst? Why do the same cities who bash their own police forces for arresting more blacks, refuse to grant more funding for the areas in need like those areas? Why do they grant less funding for schools in those areas, cut community centers, etc? You do understand how this all adds up, right?
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