• Putin: Ukrainian army operates as a "foreign legion" for NATO
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[quote]Nato Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg also called on Russia to stop providing military support to pro-Russian rebels. President Putin said Ukraine's army was operating against Ukrainian national interests by seeking to contain Russia. Violence in eastern Ukraine is at its worst level for months, with a series of deadly attacks over the past week. The military said early on Monday that seven Ukrainian soldiers had been killed fighting Russian-backed separatists in 24 hours. [/quote] [url=http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30978658]hahahahahahahaha[/url]
[QUOTE=Zambies!;47020310]President Putin said Ukraine's army was operating against Ukrainian national interests by seeking to contain Russia.[/QUOTE] Is this guy for real?
yeah no
[quote]President Putin said Ukraine's army was operating against Ukrainian national interests by seeking to contain Russia.[/quote] So this is officially an invasion of another sovereign nation now as part of an attempted territorial conquest? He's dropping the bullshit pretense?
I think Russia has a "foreign legion" too when they recruit foreign nationals into their army
[QUOTE=Grimhound;47020364]So this is officially an invasion of another sovereign nation now as part of an attempted territorial conquest? He's dropping the bullshit pretense?[/QUOTE] Czar Putin already proved on multiple occasions that he doesn't give a shit what other countries think, in any case. And besides, he likes drumming up rhetoric for the adoration of the Russian masses.
Putin can suck a fat one. Honestly where does he see this going, other than the bankruptcy of the Russian federation?
Putin is completely nuts. Glad he'll be known as another russian leader that nearly caused the nation to collapse.
[QUOTE=Hyperbole;47020691]Putin is completely nuts. Glad he'll be known as another russian leader that nearly caused the nation to collapse.[/QUOTE] Collapse? Nonsense. No longer shall the Russian Federation be burdened by the failing ruble. From this day onward, the great empire shall adopt a new currency. The Putin Dollar. Every Putin Dollar will be worth 5 British Pounds. For that is the exchange rate the Bank Of England will set once he kidnaps their Queen.
I actually want to know logic behind this.
[QUOTE=Hyperbole;47020691]Putin is completely nuts. Glad he'll be known as another russian leader that nearly caused the nation to collapse.[/QUOTE] Not by anyone that matters. Politically speaking he is still one of the most powerful politicians in modern history. [editline]27th January 2015[/editline] here come those funny ratings from people who don't know anything about politics or how power is measured hint: its not about appealing to mostly liberal teenagers e.g this forum
[QUOTE=Melnek;47020968]Not by anyone that matters. Politically speaking he is still one of the most powerful politicians in modern history. [editline]27th January 2015[/editline] here come those funny ratings from people who don't know anything about politics or how power is measured hint: its not about appealing to mostly liberal teenagers e.g this forum[/QUOTE] He will be remembered for saving Russia's economy, leading them out of hard times, etc. He will be remembered for helping to sway America away from airstrikes on Assad in Syria. He will also be remembered for Crimea, the conflict in Donbass, and hurting the Russian economy he saved, by doing shady activities. Who knows what comes next, maybe he'll save Russia's economy again. He just needs to get his shit together in regards to Ukraine.
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;47021195]He will be remembered for saving Russia's economy, leading them out of hard times, etc. He will be remembered for helping to sway America away from airstrikes on Assad in Syria. He will also be remembered for Crimea, the conflict in Donbass, and hurting the Russian economy he saved, by doing shady activities. Who knows what comes next, maybe he'll save Russia's economy again. He just needs to get his shit together in regards to Ukraine.[/QUOTE] I think he'll just be remembered as "The guy who got us back Crimea"
Well to be honest Ukrainian army does have some foreign nationals fighting for it, but... if we were to measure them both by the same measure, what the fuck are all the Russians doing among the "Ukrainian" rebels? If they aren't a legion, are they still proper part of Russian army? Isn't that kinda an invasion of a sovereign nation, mister Putin?
[QUOTE=Swineflu;47022401]I think he'll just be remembered as "The guy who got us back Crimea"[/QUOTE] He'll be more remembered as a guy who actually did shit after retarded leaders before and after Soviet Union collapsed. Considering the situation that was present within Russia in 90's, he did a really good job.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;47022837]He'll be more remembered as a guy who actually did shit after retarded leaders before and after Soviet Union collapsed. Considering the situation that was present within Russia in 90's, he did a really good job.[/QUOTE] Remember, Hitler was also remembered as the guy that did shit after his predesesors sat on their asses, he also saved the German economy and put them on the world stage again, Putin did do some legitimatly good things for Russia however the last 2 years have been a great example of how things can go wrong through greed
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[QUOTE=Sableye;47022897]Remember, Hitler was also remembered as the guy that did shit after his predesesors sat on their asses, he also saved the German economy and put them on the world stage again, Putin did do some legitimatly good things for Russia however the last 2 years have been a great example of how things can go wrong through greed[/QUOTE] So far as I've noticed, Russia didn't go to World War and did not commit open and massive genocide of certain ethnicity.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;47025994]So far as I've noticed, Russia didn't go to World War and did not commit open and massive genocide of certain ethnicity.[/QUOTE] Yeah they just commited hidden genocides of several ethnicities and their own people
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;47025994]So far as I've noticed, Russia didn't go to World War and did not commit open and massive genocide of certain ethnicity.[/QUOTE] Hey remember that time Russia starved the Ukraine of food for an entire year and starved to death 6 million people? Me too. Oh dood you remember that time that the Russians gathered up all the Polish Officer Corps and executed 25,000 them in a forest in Russia and blamed it on the Germans for 70 years? Me too. [editline]28th January 2015[/editline] oh man did you forget how Russia was sending refugees back into Germany so they could be put into camps?
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;47026509]Hey remember that time Russia starved the Ukraine of food for an entire year and starved to death 6 million people? Me too. [/QUOTE] Holodomor happened not because of that. It's naive to think that someone at Soviet power (no matter how bad it was) just randomly thought "Hey, let's kill all this workforce by starving them, it will sure help!" It happened because of both highly paranoid farmers (can't blame them though, they've been fucked by Russian Empire for a very long time) and government, which couldn't explain what they are going to do with their cut from harvest. Thus, farmers decided that "If they gonna rob me blind, then no one going to get anything, even me!", and began to spoil food en masse, or outright refused to work on it, leaving fields untouched. Both a fascinating and horrific example of why "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" can't work.
[QUOTE=DoktorAkcel;47026703]Holodomor happened not because of that. It's naive to think that someone at Soviet power (no matter how bad it was) just randomly thought "Hey, let's kill all this workforce by starving them, it will sure help!" It happened because of both highly paranoid farmers (can't blame them though, they've been fucked by Russian Empire for a very long time) and government, which couldn't explain what they are going to do with their cut from harvest. Thus, farmers decided that "If they gonna rob me blind, then no one going to get anything, even me!", and began to spoil food en masse, or outright refused to work on it, leaving fields untouched. Both a fascinating and horrific example of why "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" can't work.[/QUOTE] The causes of Holodomor are still debated to this day, but it's widely accepted as being a Soviet committed atrocity.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;47020580]Czar Putin already proved on multiple occasions that he doesn't give a shit what other countries think, in any case. And besides, he likes drumming up rhetoric for the adoration of the Russian masses.[/QUOTE] Nah, he just knows when other countries are going to do shit and when they won't have the balls. He's a good orator, I can't recall him saying anything ignorant to other nations. He gives a shit about what the world thinks much more than, say, Poroshenko. He is just better at manipulating. The key is that Putin never talks about agression, never blames anyone for anything, generally makes no sharp statements. He leaves it to his diplomats. While Obama goes on to call Russia names (e.g. "just another regional power"), Putin never does anything like this. If you watch any interviews with him you can notice that he doesn't answer tough questions too. He evades them with jokes, every single time. He does all this because when yet another global shitstorm over Whateveristan or about Somethingland ends he can restore diplomatic connections because he didn't deem anyone his mortal enemies. While Ukraine will have a [b]very[/b] hard time recovering the diplomatic connections with Russia should the need arise due to their leaders repeadetely spitting stupid bullshit about Russia (no, it's not okay for politicians to call another politician "dick", this is not how proper politics is done), Putin never called Ukraine a nazi state, enemy of Russian people or anything, instead his position always was "we never did anything, you didn't pay for gas, you attacked your own people with mortars, we proposed peace but you never agreed" so he can easily restore connections without having to answer to his own population. You see, he even cares what Ukrainians think. Let alone western nations. People that are trying to paint Putin as some kind of Russian Kim Jong Ill are just delusional.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;47026509]Hey remember that time Russia starved the Ukraine of food for an entire year and starved to death 6 million people? Me too. Oh dood you remember that time that the Russians gathered up all the Polish Officer Corps and executed 25,000 them in a forest in Russia and blamed it on the Germans for 70 years? Me too. [editline]28th January 2015[/editline] oh man did you forget how Russia was sending refugees back into Germany so they could be put into camps?[/QUOTE] Those were USSR with leaders coming off farmer folk + Ukraine wasn't exclusive to famine, multiple other regions were fucked up as well. and USSR was not obliged to hold those refugees in their country, its their choice. I'm not trying to defend USSR/Russia's actions, it is one of a despicable country along with USA, but putting up modern Russia as the citadel of evil is akin to blaming modern Germany for Hitler and Holocaust and World War 2. Don't be childish and carry on with the present, and avoid the past.
[QUOTE=DoktorAkcel;47026703]Holodomor happened not because of that. It's naive to think that someone at Soviet power (no matter how bad it was) just randomly thought "Hey, let's kill all this workforce by starving them, it will sure help!" [/QUOTE] It's not naive; else it's naive to think someone in Berlin said about all the Jews, homosexuals, and others, "Hey, let's kill this workforce by putting them in camps and ovens, it will sure help!"
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47027958]It's not naive; else it's naive to think someone in Berlin said about all the Jews, homosexuals, and others, "Hey, let's kill this workforce by putting them in camps and ovens, it will sure help!"[/QUOTE] There is a difference. It is easy to blame another race for every problem in your country, but when they are your own citizens - why kill them? And as already pointed out, there were many other nations in USSR that suffered too. But Ukrainian officials who suddenly remembered Holodomor in 20's decided to pull statistics out of their ass and claimed that there were almost 10 million dead people because of it, 99% of them were Ukrainians, and current president of Ukraine at that time - Yuschenko - decided to use this as another way to get money from Russia. That's why I personally find it hard to believe that this was just a genocide. Stalin had a lot of better ways to do it, and just starving a country to death is a very ineffective one.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;47027673] and USSR was not obliged to hold those refugees in their country, its their choice.[/QUOTE] yea dood your totes magotes right. They can either hold the refugees and cause an apparently unacceptable burden on the state OR SEND THEM BACK TO THE THIRD REICH WHERE THEY WILL BE USED AS SLAVE LABOR AND MURDERED. Send them to neutral countries? Naw dood, sendem to a place where they'll die for certain. [editline]28th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Dark RaveN;47027673] I'm not trying to defend USSR/Russia's actions, it is one of a despicable country along with USA, but putting up modern Russia as the citadel of evil is akin to blaming modern Germany for Hitler and Holocaust and World War 2. Don't be childish and carry on with the present, and avoid the past.[/QUOTE] How the fuck am I blaming modern Russia for what the USSR did?
[QUOTE=DoktorAkcel;47029782]There is a difference. It is easy to blame another race for every problem in your country, but when they are your own citizens - why kill them? And as already pointed out, there were many other nations in USSR that suffered too. But Ukrainian officials who suddenly remembered Holodomor in 20's decided to pull statistics out of their ass and claimed that there were almost 10 million dead people because of it, 99% of them were Ukrainians, and current president of Ukraine at that time - Yuschenko - decided to use this as another way to get money from Russia. That's why I personally find it hard to believe that this was just a genocide. Stalin had a lot of better ways to do it, and just starving a country to death is a very ineffective one.[/QUOTE] You do realize that the Jews in Germany [I]were citizens[/I] of Germany? The homosexuals and everyone else [I]were citizens?[/I] There is absolutely no difference.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;47027264]Nah, he just knows when other countries are going to do shit and when they won't have the balls. He's a good orator, I can't recall him saying anything ignorant to other nations. He gives a shit about what the world thinks much more than, say, Poroshenko. He is just better at manipulating. The key is that Putin never talks about agression, never blames anyone for anything, generally makes no sharp statements. He leaves it to his diplomats. While Obama goes on to call Russia names (e.g. "just another regional power"), Putin never does anything like this. If you watch any interviews with him you can notice that he doesn't answer tough questions too. He evades them with jokes, every single time. He does all this because when yet another global shitstorm over Whateveristan or about Somethingland ends he can restore diplomatic connections because he didn't deem anyone his mortal enemies. While Ukraine will have a [b]very[/b] hard time recovering the diplomatic connections with Russia should the need arise due to their leaders repeadetely spitting stupid bullshit about Russia (no, it's not okay for politicians to call another politician "dick", this is not how proper politics is done), Putin never called Ukraine a nazi state, enemy of Russian people or anything, instead his position always was "we never did anything, you didn't pay for gas, you attacked your own people with mortars, we proposed peace but you never agreed" so he can easily restore connections without having to answer to his own population. You see, he even cares what Ukrainians think. Let alone western nations. People that are trying to paint Putin as some kind of Russian Kim Jong Ill are just delusional.[/QUOTE] Oh wow guy, are you related to Putin or something? You seem to know awful lot about the guy and the way he acts and why he acts the way he does. That's really weird. Do you agree that Russia is attacking Ukraine and it's not rebels inside Ukraine doing the damage? Or are you gonna give some long round about answer like someone related to Putin would?
[QUOTE=pkhzor;47030642]Oh wow guy, are you related to Putin or something? You seem to know awful lot about the guy and the way he acts and why he acts the way he does. That's really weird. Do you agree that Russia is attacking Ukraine and it's not rebels inside Ukraine doing the damage? Or are you gonna give some long round about answer like someone related to Putin would?[/QUOTE] I just live in Russia and I can say the current regime fucked up my family's business big time (just like it fucked up every other small business). I really dislike Putin, but I just can't stand when people deny that he is a strong politician. If it wasn't the case he would be either dead or in excile for long. Not that I like it or anything, it's just true. I do not agree that Russia is attacking Ukraine, I think the Ukrainian army did more damage than rebels (or russian army if you prefer that story) but I don't think it's related to the thread.
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