• Senate GOP Healthcare Changes Possible This Week
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[quote] WASHINGTON — The Senate returned to Washington Monday bracing for the next steps on a stalled health care reform bill with the prospects of passing it perhaps more dim than they were before senators left town for the July 4th recess. Opposition to the current bill has only grown with more senators openly voicing their opposition after a week in their home states. Several new provisions aimed at attracting the 50 GOP votes needed to pass the bill are being considered to revive the legislation but those aren't expected to be publicly unveiled until later this week at the earliest. [/quote] [url]http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-gop-health-care-changes-possible-week-n781386[/url]
How about changes that don't result in tens of thousands of deaths of Americans.
Don't worry, the invisible hand of the free market will solve everything*. :downs: *deaths of fellow citizens not included
Numbers of people who would lose coverage will go from 22 million to 21 million.
I doubt the Republicans will reach an effective repeal with their bare majority. The fact of the matter is, is that there are two firm camps of Republicans on the health care issue, regardless of their rhetoric. There are those on the "slight maintenance" side, who, due to the nature of their constituencies, would be committing political suicide if they followed through on the party line and nuked Obamacare, because their voters have come to [I]rely[/I] on the ACA. I don't mean, "political suicide" in the way that Donald Trump tweeting random bullshit is political suicide, I mean, these are career politicians who still aspire to ten, twenty, or more years of service and would not only lose their seat, they would likely flip their entire constituency to "reactionary democrat" if they followed through. Then there are those on the "full repeal" side, who, for reasons ranging from idiotic to "at least" purely ideological, want it all gone. There's no way to compromise between those. Absolutely none. Both 'sides' hold enough seats that losing one or the other makes the vote a no go. The only way through would be either a strange and hamfisted "states rights" compromise that lets States choose to implement the ACA or not (which would be... baffling.) or to force a large number of Republicans to set fire to their own seats, one way or the other. (Which would also be baffling.)
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;52456258]I doubt the Republicans will reach an effective repeal with their bare majority. The fact of the matter is, is that there are two firm camps of Republicans on the health care issue, regardless of their rhetoric. There are those on the "slight maintenance" side, who, due to the nature of their constituencies, would be committing political suicide if they followed through on the party line and nuked Obamacare, because their voters have come to [I]rely[/I] on the ACA. I don't mean, "political suicide" in the way that Donald Trump tweeting random bullshit is political suicide, I mean, these are career politicians who still aspire to ten, twenty, or more years of service and would not only lose their seat, they would likely flip their entire constituency to "reactionary democrat" if they followed through. Then there are those on the "full repeal" side, who, for reasons ranging from idiotic to "at least" purely ideological, want it all gone. There's no way to compromise between those. Absolutely none. Both 'sides' hold enough seats that losing one or the other makes the vote a no go. The only way through would be either a strange and hamfisted "states rights" compromise that lets States choose to implement the ACA or not (which would be... baffling.) or to force a large number of Republicans to set fire to their own seats, one way or the other. (Which would also be baffling.)[/QUOTE] So the only thing hindering the party that currently has the majority, to kill of thousands of thousands of constituents they are supposed to represent, for some self-gratuitous bullshit and a giant tax break for their rich backers, is the possibility that some won't get re-elected. Amazing. You guys should fix your political system. Soon.
I just don't understand why absolutely anybody would be for repealing the ACA. The implementation is less than ideal, but that's an incentive to [I]expand[/I] it, not to repeal it. This should cover more citizens, not less.
The current administration is just governing by spamming Ctrl+Z No interest in moving forward
Call me crazy but the efforts to repeal without repealing are wrecking the insurance markets with tons of insecurity - and I think that may be a bonus for the "negotiations" for the new bill: "See, look, it is failing!"
[QUOTE=Big Bang;52456296]I just don't understand why absolutely anybody would be for repealing the ACA. The implementation is less than ideal, but that's an incentive to [I]expand[/I] it, not to repeal it. This should cover more citizens, not less.[/QUOTE] Because healthcare is treated as a luxury in America and all the smelly poor people are crowding up the hospital.
[QUOTE=Big Bang;52456296]I just don't understand why absolutely anybody would be for repealing the ACA. The implementation is less than ideal, but that's an incentive to [I]expand[/I] it, not to repeal it. This should cover more citizens, not less.[/QUOTE] Because it's costing some people a LOT more just in premiums and deductibles.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52457231]Because it's costing some people a LOT more just in premiums and deductibles.[/QUOTE] Yes, and that's going to happen. I guess you having higher premiums isn't worth 23 million people having insurance? Or having insurance that actually does anything? Look, when you're making the argument you're making, that this isn't worth it because of the cost to you and people like you, you're being super short sighted. Like, so short sighted it hurts. Without the ACA, your nation has the worst insurance you can buy. Fact. You have nothing to fall back on with your insurance, and they could deny damn near any claim on fairly weak criteria. If you want to go back to that for cheap health insurance, why not just give me your money because you weren't going to get healthcare before if the companies could find ANY reason to deny you. They can't now. Your republicans want to take away the greatest protections you have gotten in 50 years. The right to healthcare without being denied. That's a big deal, and you just handwave that away as "IT COSTS ME TOO MUCH", well insurance isn't about YOU. It's about a pool. [editline]11th July 2017[/editline] I mean you guys spend more than any other nation on the globe, some several times over, and you get less for what you pay but you guys always react when called out about that. Your system sucks and I don't care that you have to pay a higher premium if that means you ACTUALLY have healthcare now.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52457507]Yes, and that's going to happen. I guess you having higher premiums isn't worth 23 million people having insurance? Or having insurance that actually does anything? Look, when you're making the argument you're making, that this isn't worth it because of the cost to you and people like you, you're being super short sighted. Like, so short sighted it hurts. Without the ACA, your nation has the worst insurance you can buy. Fact. You have nothing to fall back on with your insurance, and they could deny damn near any claim on fairly weak criteria. If you want to go back to that for cheap health insurance, why not just give me your money because you weren't going to get healthcare before if the companies could find ANY reason to deny you. They can't now. Your republicans want to take away the greatest protections you have gotten in 50 years. The right to healthcare without being denied. That's a big deal, and you just handwave that away as "IT COSTS ME TOO MUCH", well insurance isn't about YOU. It's about a pool. [editline]11th July 2017[/editline] I mean you guys spend more than any other nation on the globe, some several times over, and you get less for what you pay but you guys always react when called out about that. Your system sucks and I don't care that you have to pay a higher premium if that means you ACTUALLY have healthcare now.[/QUOTE] My premiums aren't that high. But people paying $1,000+ a month just in premiums would beg to differ, and those are the types of people who would oppose the ACA. I simply answered his question.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52457554]My premiums aren't that high. But people paying $1,000+ a month just in premiums would beg to differ, and those are the types of people who would oppose the ACA. I simply answered his question.[/QUOTE] I get that, but those people are wrong about why that's happening, they're wrong about what that even means for the system. It sucks that people have to pay that high and they have my sympathies, but they weren't paying for actual COVERAGE before. The ACA changed things so that when you americans buy insurance, you actually GET healthcare. If that's worth opposing, for anyone, then they're just fucking wrong. There's problems with the ACA, yes, but it improved things for everyone, even the people who's premiums went up? It improved for them, because the quality of coverage available, the quantity of coverage available, they were helped by those provisions too.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52457554]My premiums aren't that high. But people paying $1,000+ a month just in premiums would beg to differ, and those are the types of people who would oppose the ACA. I simply answered his question.[/QUOTE] those people exist in a gap built by both the gop and the insurance lobby, the ahca doesn't fix that either and predicably insurance premiums are still going to go up afterwards too because premiums have been and keep rising regardless because our healthcare system cannot cope with an older more costly population besides which the ACA was originally supposed to have a public option but that never got written and we're stuck with a private market instead
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52457231]Because it's costing some people a LOT more just in premiums and deductibles.[/QUOTE] The bill that the republicans are pushing won't solve that problem
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