Aussies look to ban lever action rifles and shotguns - Polidicks

[URL]http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/news/national/lever-action-gun-buyback-may-be-triggered-by-law-changes/story-fnkfnspy-1227414273228[/URL] [quote]Government authorities are moving quickly to restrict the sale of all lever-action firearms in Australia.Police are leading the push to “recategorise” lever-action into the restricted Category C gun class and away from the general Category A. A senior government official said today the mooted change may be made retrospective, which could lead to a buyback of the thousands of lever-action rifles and shotguns already legally owned by Australian shooters. A spokeswoman for the Attorney-General’s Department said the firearms group would report to the Council of Australian Governments through the Law, Crime and Community Safety Council. “The group will consider the categorisation of [B]new and emerging[/B] firearms technologies and advancements in firearms, such as [B]lever action firearms,[/B] as part of the response to the firearm-related recommendations of the Martin Place Siege Review,” the spokeswoman said.[/quote]

aren't there, like, cattle ranchers who need rifles and shotguns to protect their herds? isn't this going to fuck them over?

"new and emerging firearms technologies [...] such as lever action firearms," Is it 1880 in Australia?

They won't take your guns they said, you will still have your hunting rifles they said.

Goddamn, they do need to keep track of these new firearm technologies. I mean, with all these percussion caps, matchlocks, and smoothbores around, who knows how quickly and efficiently a video game playing maniac can kill people?

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48071804]"new and emerging firearms technologies [...] such as lever action firearms," Is it 1880 in Australia?[/QUOTE] Yeah, posting from my prison cell atm :(

though i don't think it woukd work for my country (and i wouldn't want it to happen anyways), i respect australia's choice to ban a large variety of guns but this seems like it is going too far especially since you do have wildlife control as something that still needs to be done

[QUOTE=Meme It Up;48071814]Goddamn, they do need to keep track of these new firearm technologies. I mean, with all these percussion caps, matchlocks, and smoothbores around, who knows how quickly and efficiently a video game playing maniac can kill people?[/QUOTE] This man could be in your neighborhood [video=youtube;9IVCwYPjFXc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IVCwYPjFXc[/video]

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;48071847]though i don't think it woukd work for my country (and i wouldn't want it to happen anyways), i respect australia's choice to ban a large variety of guns but this seems like it is going too far especially since you do have wildlife control as something that still needs to be done[/QUOTE] Already legal for them, if you're a professional hunter / rancher you're allowed to own more categories They want to ban lever action because it's supposedly just as fast as semi auto, but they don't mention pump action rifles which are perfectly legal IIRC :v:

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48071804]"new and emerging firearms technologies [...] such as lever action firearms," Is it 1880 in Australia?[/QUOTE] Queensland is finally an independent colony and we will form our own Government and invade New South Wales for being shit cunts

[QUOTE=kaze4159;48071900]Already legal for them, if you're a professional hunter / rancher you're allowed to own more categories They want to ban lever action because it's supposedly just as fast as semi auto, but they don't mention pump action rifles which are perfectly legal IIRC :v:[/QUOTE] [IMG] http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/attachments/other-long-arms/49493d1362064712-i-wonder-what-74759_134230440082122_352921193_n.jpg[/img] UH OH, ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY FIRING 9 BARRELS IN LESS THAN A SECOND

Hey guys did you hear about those bullets that are not pinfire? Strange technology! Anyway, why are they trying to outlaw all repeating weapons... And shotguns. Seriously Aussie land, you guys have a few major conservation issues that need to be dealt with. Stop screwing over your farmers who deal with them.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;48071960]Hey guys did you hear about those bullets that are not pinfire? Strange technology! Anyway, why are they trying to outlaw all repeating weapons... And shotguns. Seriously Aussie land, you guys have a few major conservation issues that need to be dealt with. Stop screwing over your farmers who deal with them.[/QUOTE] Yes because rifles and shotguns can only be made with a lever-action system, and farmers only use lever-action guns. [editline]29th June 2015[/editline] This is the gun that has pressured them into pushing for the lever-action ban, and you can understand why. A rapid fire mechanism on a shotgun isn't very useful for a farmer, but is for a mass murderer. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrIEnhWQrH0[/media]

[QUOTE=Antdawg;48072003]Yes because rifles and shotguns can only be made with a lever-action system, and farmers only use lever-action guns. [editline]29th June 2015[/editline] This is the gun that has pressured them into pushing for the lever-action ban, and you can understand why. A rapid fire mechanism on a shotgun isn't very useful for a farmer, but is for a mass murderer.[/QUOTE] I don't think I do understand why that gun has triggered this push for the ban. It functions just like every other lever-action rifle does. One can also argue that a person shooting a pump-action could fire very nearly as fast as that, [del]and it sounds as though those are still perfectly legal even with this ban.[/del] [editline]29th June 2015[/editline] Scratch that, just looked it up and it seems that pump-action is considered a Category D firearm. Also, why do pellet guns require a sixth month waiting period to get in Australia? That seems incredibly overbearing to me. Are they seriously concerned with people using them in robberies or something?

[QUOTE=Antdawg;48072003]Yes because rifles and shotguns can only be made with a lever-action system, and farmers only use lever-action guns. [editline]29th June 2015[/editline] This is the gun that has pressured them into pushing for the lever-action ban, and you can understand why [/QUOTE] That is no different than a freaking pump action in rate of fire capacity. Have a remington 870, probably one of the most common shotguns around: [video=youtube;_3O0grIvVio]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3O0grIvVio[/video]

[QUOTE=deadoon;48072057]That is no different than a freaking pump action in rate of fire capacity. Have a remington 870, probably one of the most common shotguns around: [video=youtube;_3O0grIvVio]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3O0grIvVio[/video][/QUOTE] Yeah, which explains why they would want to make it Class C, considering pump action shotguns are also Class C. If everybody in the thread would bother to read the article instead of just the title you would know that they're not banning anything, they're just restricting it on the exact same lines as everything else.

[QUOTE=deadoon;48072057]That is no different than a freaking pump action in rate of fire capacity. Have a remington 870, probably one of the most common shotguns around: [video=youtube;_3O0grIvVio]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3O0grIvVio[/video][/QUOTE] That's called slam-firing and is actually really difficult to control if you don't know what you're doing. Source: I fucked up one time

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;48072106]Two pipes, one with an end with a nail in it, can be used as slamfire shotgun too. You can operate that really bloody fast if you want to. This is symbolic politics and absolutely stupid.[/QUOTE] No, you cannot operate an improvised shitheap of a single-shot weapon as quickly or as effectively as a tube-fed repeater. That's just plain dumb. I don't know what else to say. I don't agree with Australia's gun laws but it is really not hard to understand that recent commercial lever-action shotguns are making them realize that allowing lever while pump was banned was essentially a loophole, and closing it by treating lever-action the same as pump-action. The only lever action shotguns that have been in Australia for decades have been old Winchester 1887s (never a numerous gun to begin with, let alone in Australia) and a handful of rare .410s, so it wasn't something they had to seriously consider. Modern lever-actions specifically designed to get around Australia's restrictions represent an exploitation of that loophole so they're closing it.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;48072003]A rapid fire mechanism on a shotgun isn't very useful for a farmer, but is for a mass murderer.[/QUOTE] Which is why mass murders with lever-actions happen so often, right? Oh wait

[QUOTE=Pretty Obscure;48072095]Yeah, which explains why they would want to make it Class C, considering pump action shotguns are also Class C. If everybody in the thread would bother to read the article instead of just the title you would know that they're not banning anything, they're just restricting it on the exact same lines as everything else.[/QUOTE] They may as well ban everything but coach guns at that point. Well considering that they simply cannot ever achieve even the pump action clay target record legally is kind of funny. A lever action design is inherently less accurate than a pump action when fired rapidly. It is more mechanically complex, and requires the shooting hand to be removed from the trigger. If your government actually thought things through, they would never have had the controversy in the first place, an 1887 could be fired extremely fast if you knew what you were doing(and has a 5+2 mag capacity, which is weird). Lever action rifles aren't even on your class A legal listing unless they are rimfire, which most are not, ALL would fall under class B, which you may as well ban to class C as well because you can quickly fire those as well. Then again, I seriously hate legal systems with ex post facto legality.

are you guys forgetting bolt action rifles exist!? SH in a nutshell. OR A SHELL, AM I RIGHT GUYS, EH, EH?

it is a shame when law abiding people are restricted from their right to defend themselves by a government

[QUOTE=Leon;48072371]it is a shame when law abiding people are restricted from their right to defend themselves by a government[/QUOTE] I and many others in this country don't feel the need to carry a gun and would not think of shooting someone if they came into our home, rather trying to knock them out or restrain them Defence wise, on the street I never want to see anybody except a police officer or military personnel carry a firearm. You dared open carry in this country in a food court, shopping centre, park etc regardless where the weapon was positioned, you would have everyone screaming and hiding for their life. Australia doesn't and will never have a gun culture, the ban of firearms was the best thing the Howard Government did

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;48071809]They won't take your guns they said, you will still have your hunting rifles they said.[/QUOTE] Once again the slippery slope "fallacy" actually holds true to gun control legislation. Sad isn't it? [QUOTE=Leon;48072371]it is a shame when law abiding people are restricted from their right to defend themselves by a government[/QUOTE] That's probably not really a relevant thing in Australia like it is in the states. Still I would think people living in the more remote parts of Australia would have a valid concern of encountering problems with the local wildlife. At least the farmers and people attempting to live off the land should be able to own whatever they are comfortable with using.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;48072403]I and many others in this country don't feel the need to carry the gun and would not think of shooting someone if they came into our home, rather trying to knock them out or restrain them Defence wise, on the street I never want to see anybody except a police officer or military personnel carry a firearm. You dared open carry in this country in a food court, shopping centre, park etc regardless where the weapon was positioned, you would have everyone screaming and hiding for their life. Australia doesn't and will never have a gun culture, the ban of firearms was the best thing the Howard Government did[/QUOTE] It also affirmed that ex post facto laws are perfectly acceptable in your legislature. Something that you had legally yesterday can be illegal today, and you could be charged with it because of possession.

also while im at it, before anybody says "tyrannical government" one big "fuck you, no" to a rogue prime minister is the Governor general, if a PM and his party were rogue pushing out questionable/real fucked up legislation, the GG is allowed to deny royal assent and dismiss the government + call an election once they do that, they lose power of the military, and even if that was the case the military swears an oath to the Queen who when absent in Australia, the next person to go to is the GG So honestly the safeguards are there, and you can't have both a rogue gg and PM

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;48072403]I and many others in this country don't feel the need to carry a gun and would not think of shooting someone if they came into our home, rather trying to knock them out or restrain them Defence wise, on the street I never want to see anybody except a police officer or military personnel carry a firearm. You dared open carry in this country in a food court, shopping centre, park etc regardless where the weapon was positioned, you would have everyone screaming and hiding for their life. Australia doesn't and will never have a gun culture, the ban of firearms was the best thing the Howard Government did[/QUOTE] Funny, because a lot of Australians completely disagree with you.

[QUOTE=Leon;48072371]it is a shame when law abiding people are restricted from their right to defend themselves by a government[/QUOTE] America isn't the world. Shockingly, other countries don't have gun cultures, and it would be nice if this fact could be respected by Gun nuts.

[QUOTE=Pilot1215;48072721]Funny, because a lot of Australians completely disagree with you.[/QUOTE] anybody is free to disagree with me but i can confidently tell you that all my mates, my family and most if not 60% of my town agree with firearm regulation in this country i live in the city (or ~40 minutes from Brisbane CBD) so where I am is much more anti-firearms, but if you were to be in the country/outback, the views would be different tho some don't care because the shotguns they're allowed to own do what they need them to do

[QUOTE=Pilot1215;48072721]Funny, because a lot of Australians completely disagree with you.[/QUOTE] that's an interesting point coming from an american frankly I love how my country isn't full of crazy gun-worshipping nutjobs