Boeing CEO Vows to Beat Musk to Mars

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[quote]Boeing Co. once helped the U.S. beat the Soviet Union in the race to the moon. Now the company intends to go toe-to-toe with newcomers such as billionaire Elon Musk in the next era of space exploration and commerce.

Boeing Chief Executive Officer Dennis Muilenburg sketched out a Jetsons-like future at a conference Tuesday, envisioning a commercial space-travel market with dozens of destinations orbiting the Earth and hypersonic aircraft shuttling travelers between continents in two hours or less. And Boeing intends to be a key player in the initial push to send humans to Mars, maybe even beating Musk to his long-time goal.

“I’m convinced the first person to step foot on Mars will arrive there riding a Boeing rocket,” Muilenburg said at the Chicago event on innovation, which was sponsored by the Atlantic magazine.
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[UncaringNonchala]

Competition is always good.

[Zenreon]

Last one there buys the beer.

[apierce1289]

This is actually happening? Having competition will make things so much more interesting lmfao this is awesome :D

[Missing User]

Did not expect this level of investment from another company. Now Lockheed better say something and get on it as well.

No matter who gets there first, we all win.

[Bradyns]

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;51154681]Last one there buys the beer.[/QUOTE]

That would be a very expensive beer.

I wonder if Mars would be a dry colony?

[DrKinkyKinkles]

Space race v2. If this turns out anything like the race to the moon it will be an awesome spectacle.

[apierce1289]

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51154694]Did not expect this level of investment from another company. Now Lockheed better say something and get on it as well.

No matter who gets there first, we all win.[/QUOTE]

Exactly that's why this is so fucking awesome :D I never expected this from Boeing and this just makes it so much more exciting because if Boeing and Spacex think they can do it then we're bound to make it there!!!!

[Levelog]

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51154694]Did not expect this level of investment from another company. Now Lockheed better say something and get on it as well.

No matter who gets there first, we all win.[/QUOTE]

Well if Lockheed doesn't win they'll sue the government so I dunno about that.

[Vilusia]

I really hope this just snowballs into something amazing. I REALLY want our species to survive and going to mars is the first step in ensuring that.

[Sableye]

where's the solar power satellites that they're bragging about in their commercials? boeing won't do shit until the government writes them a check

[OvB]

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51154694]Did not expect this level of investment from another company. Now Lockheed better say something and get on it as well.

No matter who gets there first, we all win.[/QUOTE]

Lockheed is in the same boat as Boeing. They together form the United Launch Alliance. Neither of them build their own rockets currently.

(Not counting missiles)

[Hollywood SN]

Please privatized space race.

Please privatized space race.

[b]Please privatized space race.[/b]

[fruxodaily]

We've been long due for another space race, I hope other companies and countries throw in as well

big technological findings are about to happen

[Miya]

*Looped chanting of "SPACE RACE"*

[Pops]

seeing as how musk hasn't done anything worth a shit, i welcome this with open arms.

it brings planetes closer to reality and i am okay with that.

[Hollywood SN]

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;51154741]We've been long due for another space race, I hope other companies and countries throw in as well

big technological findings are about to happen[/QUOTE]

Since it would be motivated by money and dick waving between companies, it could be indefinite. The old space race was motivated by dick waving and then going "well fuck we won".

[Karmah]

Could this really be happening? A space race within my lifetime?

[Morgen]

[QUOTE=Pops;51154761]seeing as how musk hasn't done anything worth a shit, i welcome this with open arms.

it brings planetes closer to reality and i am okay with that.[/QUOTE]

What? SpaceX have actually test fired their engine, and have built a few development versions of various hardware for their Mars plans.

I'm sceptical that ULA will do anything. They was more than content to just sit there and inflate costs with 0 innovation until SpaceX came along. They don't even use their own engines. I hope for some competition but I'll wait until ULA do something substantial first.

[Bradyns]

[QUOTE=Pops;51154761]seeing as how musk hasn't done anything worth a shit, i welcome this with open arms.[/QUOTE]

First commercial docking with the ISS for supplies and cargo.
First landing of an orbit-class booster stage back at the launch site.
First landing of an orbit-class booster stage back at sea.
First crew capsule with max capacity of 7 crew.

Yeah, nothing.

[fruxodaily]

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51154764]Since it would be motivated by money and dick waving between companies, it could be indefinite. The old space race was motivated by dick waving and then going "well fuck we won".[/QUOTE]

is that a bad thing tho? I mean more technology development the better

[Saxon]

[QUOTE=Levelog;51154708]Well if Lockheed doesn't win they'll sue the government so I dunno about that.[/QUOTE]

Boeing is just as bad, they're both turning the ULA into a joke

[Bradyns]

Considering that the ULA Altas V uses the RD-180 engine, I find it humourous that they mock SpaceX - Merlin engines are designed and built in house with material fabricated on-site and imported.

If there is ever an issue with Russia (which given the last few years is likely going to get worse), then stocking these engines for each 'non-reusable' launch will become increasingly difficult.
The only issue for SpaceX is secondary and tertiary suppliers for materials and fabrications.

If ULA suddenly changed their Atlas fleet, they would have to re-go certification for launches which costs both money and time - this can effect their launch cadence and push Government/Military contracts to SpaceX.

[Hollywood SN]

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;51154803]is that a bad thing tho? I mean more technology development the better[/QUOTE]

Oh no im saying its a great thing.

When companies fucking hate eachother they spend less time hating everyone else.

[Download]

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;51154847]That and there was little left to innovate in ICBMs anymore. If MIRVs weren't so economical compared to ABMs the arms race might've continued.[/QUOTE]

MIRVs are only more economical than ABM for terminal ABM. Midpoint ABM makes MIRVs uneconomic which is what the US is currently implementing.

[JennyC6]

Do it. Show this up-and-comer what a true aerospace god can do, Boeing. Partner up with all the other giants of the first Space Race, too.

[Darth-Veger]

Space Race 2.0 is a go!
Fuck yeah this is going to be awesome

[SentientToilet]

FUCK YES, i can't wait to see mankind set foot on mars

[OvB]

[QUOTE=TestECull;51155140]Do it. Show this up-and-comer what a true aerospace god can do, Boeing. Partner up with all the other giants of the first Space Race, too.[/QUOTE]

The ULA has to lay off 875 people because they can't force a monopoly anymore. They've also had to dismiss executives that have been public about the ULAs inability to compete with SpaceX and others. [url]http://fortune.com/2016/03/17/ula-exec-admits-company-cant-compete/[/url]

They're in a bind. Not to mention the Vulcan's engine-only reusability is a joke. It's like after they realized they could no longer ignore what SpaceX has been doing for the past 10 years so they had to come up with something new to please their congress friends but still missed the point entirely. At least Blue Origin is competing directly with SpaceX with New Glenn.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/dBmXjke.png[/img]
Vulcan will be outdated before it flies. Upcoming rockets from both SpaceX and Blue Origin will be beating ULA and NASA rockets in payload to orbit and cost. The SLS will be too expensive to effectively use.

I just wish these old dogs would quit pussyfooting around and put some effort into it.

[SentientToilet]

[QUOTE=OvB;51156092]The ULA has to lay off 875 people because they can't force a monopoly anymore. They've also had to dismiss executives that have been public about the ULAs inability to compete with SpaceX and others. [url]http://fortune.com/2016/03/17/ula-exec-admits-company-cant-compete/[/url]

They're in a bind. Not to mention the Vulcan's engine-only reusability is a joke. It's like after they realized they could no longer ignore what SpaceX has been doing for the past 10 years so they had to come up with something new to please their congress friends but still missed the point entirely. At least Blue Origin is competing directly with SpaceX with New Glenn.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/dBmXjke.png[/img]
Vulcan will be outdated before it flies. Upcoming rockets from both SpaceX and Blue Origin will be beating ULA and NASA rockets in payload to orbit and cost. The SLS will be too expensive to effectively use.

I just wish these old dogs would quit pussyfooting around and put some effort into it.[/QUOTE]

i'm sorry but i can only read bfr as "big fucking rocket" in reference to doom's bfg

[editline]5th October 2016[/editline]

which would be appropriate