• Practice Makes Perfect? Not So Much, New Research Finds
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[url]http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130520163906.htm[/url] [QUOTE][B]Turns out, that old "practice makes perfect" adage may be overblown. New research led by Michigan State University's Zach Hambrick finds that a copious amount of practice is not enough to explain why people differ in level of skill in two widely studied activities, chess and music.[/B] In other words, it takes more than hard work to become an expert. Hambrick, writing in the research journal Intelligence, said natural talent and other factors likely play a role in mastering a complicated activity. "Practice is indeed important to reach an elite level of performance, but this paper makes an overwhelming case that it isn't enough," said Hambrick, associate professor of psychology. The debate over why and how people become experts has existed for more than a century. Many theorists argue that thousands of hours of focused, deliberate practice is sufficient to achieve elite status. Hambrick disagrees. "The evidence is quite clear," he writes, "that some people do reach an elite level of performance without copious practice, while other people fail to do so despite copious practice." Hambrick and colleagues analyzed 14 studies of chess players and musicians, looking specifically at how practice was related to differences in performance. Practice, they found, accounted for only about one-third of the differences in skill in both music and chess. So what made up the rest of the difference? Based on existing research, Hambrick said it could be explained by factors such as intelligence or innate ability, and the age at which people start the particular activity. A previous study of Hambrick's suggested that working memory capacity -- which is closely related to general intelligence -- may sometimes be the deciding factor between being good and great.[/QUOTE] Well fuck it I need to start drawing sooner rather than later.
So there you have it, Facepunchers. It's not lack of motivation to practice that's keeping you down, you're just terrible from birth.
I knew this for some time, i used to play guitar hero all the time, never got good enough to play any songs on expert. Yet i know people that are absolute masters at it. I no longer find GH fun, and i actually am learning to play a real guitar.
[QUOTE=Riller;40717216]So there you have it, Facepunchers. It's not lack of motivation to practice that's keeping you down, you're just terrible from birth.[/QUOTE] Killing myself now. Hope I will have better luck in my next life.
well i'm going to keep up the copious amount of guitar practice anyway
[QUOTE]In other words, it takes more than hard work to become an expert. Hambrick, writing in the research journal Intelligence, said natural talent and other factors likely play a role in mastering a complicated activity.[/QUOTE] People still question that in this day and age? It should be woefully apparent that people are born with a talent and others aren't. I thought seeing 5 year old children with no prior experience spontaneously playing the piano at levels that normally require a decade of practice to achieve was proof enough. I think it's just the collective population that refuses to believe people are born with talents and others aren't since it means they're inherently inferior to someone else. God knows with how the modern world treats everything as "everyone is special!" it'd be no surprise to me. You can't be special if everyone else is too. [IMG]http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/2213/2006rollingeyesback.gif[/IMG]
this is true in some cases, but practice does make perfect whether studies support or deny it obv you can be born/destined to do something, but that doesn't mean practice won't help you if you weren't
It's how you put your knowledge to use that's what matters, not how long you do it. Doing the same thing over-and-over again can either be deemed "practice" or "insanity". Doing things "differently" and "experiencing" what has which effect is how we get better at it. It's understanding, not mindless repetition.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;40717392]It's how you put your knowledge to use that's what matters, not how long you do it. Doing the same thing over-and-over again can either be deemed "practice" or "insanity". Doing things "differently" and "experiencing" what has which effect is how we get better at it. It's understanding, not mindless repetition.[/QUOTE] I've put in a shitload of hours at basketball. I still suck dick, and it's due to the fact that I can't really seem to get my head around it. I'm just bad at sports, is what it comes down to. Nothin' wrong with that, it just means I have to work a touch harder to stay in shape.
[QUOTE=valkery;40717427]I've put in a shitload of hours at basketball. I still suck dick, and it's due to the fact that I can't really seem to get my head around it. I'm just bad at sports, is what it comes down to. Nothin' wrong with that, it just means I have to work a touch harder to stay in shape.[/QUOTE] i feel you brother i'm absolute shit and i've been practicing a ton but it's because i'm on accutane which is just fucking my thinking up and shit
There was something really fucking cool about this, a book and introductory video, it's related to jazz music, but can be applied to life itself. Got it. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-uAhg6cy5s[/media] Just go with the flow and let go. It just so happens thinking things through will get you nowhere. I've done this the past 2 years in my life and I couldn't be happier. [editline]20th May 2013[/editline] oh wow it got taken down [editline]20th May 2013[/editline] fucking government trying to make our lives shit
i wanna see it :(
i can't remember the damn name.
I don't think this is accurate.
[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;40717516]I don't think this is accurate.[/QUOTE] Any particular reason for this feeling you are having?
When I'm painting models for my wargaming all my practice has taught me honestly is what not to do. Usually the number one lesson is "stop wasting your time trying hopeless shit" but I keep doing it anyway. Very rarely do I get something positive out of trying new things. Combined with my own pessimism this can make painting flat out depressing at times. I've increased my skill mainly at painting by looking at guides and gathering advice, getting over hurdles such as using water to make paint more consistent and using proper arm posture when painting detail.
[QUOTE=Dr.Critic;40717703]When I'm painting models for my wargaming all my practice has taught me honestly is what not to do. Usually the number one lesson is "stop wasting your time trying hopeless shit" but I keep doing it anyway. Very rarely do I get something positive out of trying new things. Combined with my own pessimism this can make painting flat out depressing at times. I've increased my skill mainly at painting by looking at guides and gathering advice, getting over hurdles such as using water to make paint more consistent and using proper arm posture when painting detail.[/QUOTE] 90% of the time when you try something new you will fail miserably. 10% of the time it is fucking magical. that's my experience with guitar.
[QUOTE=Axznma;40717345]People still question that in this day and age? It should be woefully apparent that people are born with a talent and others aren't. I thought seeing 5 year old children with no prior experience spontaneously playing the piano at levels that normally require a decade of practice to achieve was proof enough. I think it's just the collective population that refuses to believe people are born with talents and others aren't since it means they're inherently inferior to someone else. God knows with how the modern world treats everything as "everyone is special!" it'd be no surprise to me. You can't be special if everyone else is too. [IMG]http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/2213/2006rollingeyesback.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE] To be blunt, I'm going to be level with you about the second half/side argument of your post. The statement "Everyone is Special!" means that we are all important and all unique and just as valuable of a person and human life, as the person behind us and the person infront of us. If everyone was special, than that's fine, because we'd still all special in our own way. You want to know why? Because you're an individual, you're human, you're a person, with a name, an identify, friends, family and dreams to aspire for. Nobody can take that away from you and no one is better than you because you can't do the same things they can, and vice versa.
A bad habit practiced ad infinitum will only take you as far as you started. I am not sure we really needed a study to support this.
anyone feeling down about starting late at something should read this thread: [url]http://forums.conceptart.org/showthread.php?t=870[/url]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40717728]90% of the time when you try something new you will fail miserably. 10% of the time it is fucking magical. that's my experience with guitar.[/QUOTE] Yeah, when I built my first Lorica Segmentata, it was crap, it poked in all the wrong places, had gaps where it wasn't supposed to and just didn't fit right. I still wore it until it fell apart then built a few more, 10 years later I still have the two that replaced it, the third one I still wear because it's the best of all the Segmentatae that I've built. Same deal with the muskets I've built, the first one shoots well, but it's got a bad side and an "Oh my god what did you do?" side among other problems. Second one is much better, but it's still got some issues in the wood carving. To really improve you have to do things differently each time, building on your experience, then you practice to get consistent result every time.
[QUOTE=valkery;40717427]I've put in a shitload of hours at basketball. I still suck dick, and it's due to the fact that I can't really seem to get my head around it. I'm just bad at sports, is what it comes down to. Nothin' wrong with that, it just means I have to work a touch harder to stay in shape.[/QUOTE] How long have you been practicing? I've been really putting work in for just about a year now, and it was a few months before I saw significant results. In the meantime, I find that relaxing and not really worrying about form really helps. Having a shot that you feel comfortable with is more important than being textbook. idk if most would consider this offtopic but fuck it I love basketball
like a few people have said, practice makes better provided you're doing the right practice to broaden your experience. I know plenty of cases where someone can draw a metric shitton of the same thing and not be any better than they were when they were 12, because they practice doing it the way they've always done it. Continued practice in this methodology actually keeps you from advancing from that stage. In other cases, you can aim too far and broad and end up burning yourself out. It's about taking everything one step at a time, but making sure you're at least advancing forward into new territories, toward your ultimate goals.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40717728]90% of the time when you try something new you will fail miserably. 10% of the time it is fucking magical. that's my experience with guitar.[/QUOTE] That's my experience with art, sculpting in particular. I've done a few things where I did them incredibly well the first time on perhaps a stroke of luck, but misapplied what I had learned the next time and fucked something up. Several builds later, the knowledge of what to do/how to do things and what/how not to do something compounds and I was able to improve a little bit based on that.
[QUOTE=BaconWallet42;40718328]How long have you been practicing? I've been really putting work in for just about a year now, and it was a few months before I saw significant results. In the meantime, I find that relaxing and not really worrying about form really helps. Having a shot that you feel comfortable with is more important than being textbook. idk if most would consider this offtopic but fuck it I love basketball[/QUOTE] same i don't fit the typical stereotypes that come with basketball and liking it but i love it [editline]21st May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=TheHydra;40717970]anyone feeling down about starting late at something should read this thread: [url]http://forums.conceptart.org/showthread.php?t=870[/url][/QUOTE] and if you don't want to go through all of it: he went from this: [img]http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=90144&d=1180110576[/img] to this: [img]http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=94289&stc=1&d=1171553706[/img]
My teacher told us an alternate version of the phrase. Practice makes permanent. If you keep practicing it the wrong way, you'll keep doing it the wrong way.
I disagree. If I didn't practice I'd have a D in Calculus and be a fail Viola player. (B+ and one of the top in the state.)
[QUOTE=Riller;40717216]So there you have it, Facepunchers. It's not lack of motivation to practice that's keeping you down, you're just terrible from birth.[/QUOTE] Well now I finally have an excuse to procrastinate ehehehe
[QUOTE=BaconWallet42;40718328]How long have you been practicing? I've been really putting work in for just about a year now, and it was a few months before I saw significant results. In the meantime, I find that relaxing and not really worrying about form really helps. Having a shot that you feel comfortable with is more important than being textbook. idk if most would consider this offtopic but fuck it I love basketball[/QUOTE] I actually quit due to three years of ineffective practice. I run track now, and I'm doing pretty well at it. Plus, it sounds to me like you run point. I was always the post who never really had to take shots, but when I did, I always fucked them up, and from the free throw line I was at like 25%.
My dad told me somebody said to somebody that the first somebody knew that it's not true that practice makes perfect. It's [B]perfect practice[/B] makes perfect. If I practice for surgery using surgeon simulator 2013 I don't think it qualifies me very well to cut out a person's heart.
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