[quote]Britons would vote to remain in the EU by a 10 point margin, according to new polling published on Wednesday (25 February).
Forty-five percent of Britons would back continued membership of the bloc, while 35 percent would vote to leave, according to pollsters YouGov. The lead for the ’IN’ campaign is the largest since YouGov began monthly polls on the question of EU membership in September 2010.
UK support for EU membership is at its highest level since 2010, according to a new poll by YouGov. (Photo: Defence Images)
The growing support for EU membership, which is up from 42 percent last month, marks a big shift since the depths of the eurozone crisis in 2011 and 2012 when a majority of Britons favoured leaving the EU.
At its lowest, a mere 28 percent favoured continued membership in May 2012, when the ‘OUT’ campaign led by 23 points.
In its analysis of the data, YouGov notes that rising support for the UK’s EU membership has been mirrored by a steady increase in economic confidence in both the UK and eurozone economies.[/quote]
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I'd like to remind everyone that this poll means nothing, 2 days before this poll was conducted a previous poll showed a majority of people wanting to leave.
Next thing you know there will be a poll to see if polls are effective.
[QUOTE=The mouse;47245357]I'd like to remind everyone that this poll means nothing, 2 days before this poll was conducted a previous poll showed a majority of people wanting to leave.[/QUOTE]
I have a feeling the majority of people will simply not care about this and simply post how "great" this is.
Though, I wouldn't be surprised if this poll is completely out of touch with reality, and should as such be taken with a ton of salt.
[QUOTE=Aide;47245380]Next thing you know there will be a poll to see if polls are effective.[/QUOTE]
If that poll shows that polls are ineffective, would that be an effective outcome from a poll..?
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[QUOTE=The mouse;47245357]I'd like to remind everyone that this poll means nothing, 2 days before this poll was conducted a previous poll showed a majority of people wanting to leave.[/QUOTE]
So the other one means nothing too? What can we do to find out for sure?
It varies on a day to day basis, there's variance in the sampling, and minor news updates can swing votes.
Especially in circumstances where it's virtually 50-50, a 2 percent margin change can decide the outcome.
These are just changing percentages that have no effect and will change like everyone else said.
[QUOTE=The mouse;47245357]I'd like to remind everyone that this poll means nothing, 2 days before this poll was conducted a previous poll showed a majority of people wanting to leave.[/QUOTE]
would you care to post it so they can actually be compared?
[QUOTE=NeonpieDFTBA;47245935]would you care to post it so they can actually be compared?[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/sites/ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/files/vi_17_02_2015_final_tables.pdf"]Page 53[/URL]
Conducted 17-20th Feb, 1,975 people sampled.
[QUOTE=The mouse;47246111][URL="http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/sites/ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/files/vi_17_02_2015_final_tables.pdf"]Page 53[/URL]
Conducted 17-20th Feb, 1,975 people sampled.[/QUOTE]
That shows 44% voting to leave, 41% voting to stay and 14% undecided, 1% not saying (the 51%/49% figure given assumes the undecided voters split themselves 50/50 when in reality they tend to lean towards the status quo). That is still within the error of the poll from what I can tell. Still not sure how that makes this poll mean "nothing". At least what the OP does tell us is that support for the EU is on the rise.
Also funny is the fact that more people see it as good than bad yet they still want to leave :v:
I wonder what changed since 2010?
[QUOTE=deltasquid;47246242]I wonder what changed since 2010?[/QUOTE]
The economy has vastly improved, with many more people in work and local business and national business soaring, especially exporting to places we used to import heavily from.
I had a huge doubt about the negative impact of being in the EU which I was misguided about, but it gives so much (free travel, as I want to travel Europe and such) among other things I would leave the UK if we left the EU because it would spell our doom.
[QUOTE=deltasquid;47246242]I wonder what changed since 2010?[/QUOTE]
Combination of the UK economy improving and the Eurozone crisis no longer being as prevalent in the news
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;47246488]The economy has vastly improved, with many more people in work and local business and national business soaring, especially exporting to places we used to import heavily from.
I had a huge doubt about the negative impact of being in the EU which I was misguided about, but it gives so much (free travel, as I want to travel Europe and such) among other things I would leave the UK if we left the EU because it would spell our doom.[/QUOTE]
You make it sound as if no one ever went to Europe prior to 1995
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;47246488]The economy has vastly improved, with many more people in work and local business and national business soaring, especially exporting to places we used to import heavily from.
I had a huge doubt about the negative impact of being in the EU which I was misguided about, but it gives so much (free travel, as I want to travel Europe and such) among other things I would leave the UK if we left the EU because it would spell our doom.[/QUOTE]
While it does give a lot of benefits, it's also horribly undemocratic and sticks its nose where it ought not to, like mandating that countries aren't allowed to bring VAT below 15%, which they really shouldn't be allowed to dictate
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;47248642]While it does give a lot of benefits, it's also horribly undemocratic and sticks its nose where it ought not to, like mandating that countries aren't allowed to bring VAT below 15%, which they really shouldn't be allowed to dictate[/QUOTE]
If there wasnt 15 percent VAT floor, what would stop people from other countries buying for instance all their electronics in that country and having them shipped to their home country, which is, let me remind you, completely toll free.
I personally dont like mandatory VAT floor either but its necessary for the freedom of trade we are currently enjoying.
[editline]3rd March 2015[/editline]
Some regulations ofter feel unfair and like something that shouldnt even be EUs business at all, but once you look under the surface and learn more about it, you often find out its nothing less than necessary evil which is requied for some other, objectively positive thing.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;47248661][B]If there wasnt 15 percent VAT floor, what would stop people from other countries buying for instance all their electronics in that country and having them shipped to their home country, which is, let me remind you, completely toll free.[/B]
I personally dont like mandatory VAT floor either but its necessary for the freedom of trade we are currently enjoying.
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Except that's exactly how Amazon avoided £billions in UK VAT
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;47248642]While it does give a lot of benefits, it's also horribly undemocratic and sticks its nose where it ought not to, like mandating that countries aren't allowed to bring VAT below 15%, which they really shouldn't be allowed to dictate[/QUOTE]
How is it "horribly undemocratic"? It has an elected parliament that appoints the Commission, and it has a supreme court you can appeal to. There's even the possibility of petitioning the Commission and with enough petitions, the Commission is legally obliged to make a decision on the issue and motivate it.
[QUOTE=butt2089;47248875]Except that's exactly how Amazon avoided £billions in UK VAT[/QUOTE]
Well I would have to hear about that particular case but base UK VAT is afaik 20%, so there's still 3% difference from for instance Luxembourg, where the VAT is 17%, and I imagine it just did add up like that.
The point is that without the 15% floor, they could still evade far far more.
[QUOTE=deltasquid;47248892]How is it "horribly undemocratic"? It has an elected parliament that appoints the Commission, and it has a supreme court you can appeal to. There's even the possibility of petitioning the Commission and with enough petitions, the Commission is legally obliged to make a decision on the issue and motivate it.[/QUOTE]
One country might vote against a law, while all others might vote for it and then the country that was opposed had to implement it because politicians that they didn't elect voted for it
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;47248914]Well I would have to hear about that particular case but base UK VAT is afaik 20%, so there's still 3% difference from for instance Luxembourg, where the VAT is 17%, and I imagine it just did add up like that.
The point is that without the 15% floor, they could still evade far far more.[/QUOTE]
The 15% floor is the main rate, Amazon were paying 3% VAT in Luxembourg on lower rated items when they should have been paying 20% in the UK. The system is an absolute mess, the EU facilitates tax avoidance on an industrial scale.
Biased article, biased poster, general bias.
[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;47250522]Biased article, biased poster, general bias.[/QUOTE]
could you please explain how this yougov poll was biased, despite using the same methodology as some polls last year which went the opposite way?
[QUOTE=Adam.GameDev;47250439]One country might vote against a law, while all others might vote for it and then the country that was opposed had to implement it because politicians that they didn't elect voted for it[/QUOTE]
Which is exactly how it works in every democratic nation, you don't get to just opt out of laws because you don't like them.
[QUOTE=Adam.GameDev;47250439]One country might vote against a law, while all others might vote for it and then the country that was opposed had to implement it because politicians that they didn't elect voted for it[/QUOTE]
No, that's literally democracy. I'm not voting for the Tories, but if they get in I'm not going to call it 'horribly undemocratic'. You can apply this logic on a continually smaller and smaller case until eventually you start to think 'Why have laws at all?' and then you realise that the people who don't like it can either deal with it, or protest it.
[QUOTE=NeonpieDFTBA;47250628]could you please explain how this yougov poll was biased, despite using the same methodology as some polls last year which went the opposite way?[/QUOTE]
it's biased because i don't like what it's saying
[QUOTE=Adam.GameDev;47250439]One country might vote against a law, while all others might vote for it and then the country that was opposed had to implement it because politicians that they didn't elect voted for it[/QUOTE]
Yeah well I have to follow the laws made by politicians elected in Antwerp, Ghent and Liège even though I live in Brussels. That's... Just kind of how majorities work.
In the context of the EU this isn't even necessarily true. There are a lot of subjects where you need to get every single country on board before the EU is competent to do anything, and where a country like Malta gets a veto against the wishes of Germany, France, the UK and so on. Just because yes, the EU recognizes that some stuff is so fundamental that you cannot change them until you get literally every one on board.
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