Ubuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) released - Polidicks

[url]http://www.pcworld.com/article/2913391/ubuntu-1504-vivid-vervet-released-revamped-again-menus-systemd-snappy-core-for-smart-devices-and-mo.html[/url] [quote=PCWorld]Ubuntu 15.04, code-named Vivid Vervet, launches today and it’s bringing the controversial systemd project along with it. That’s just one of many changes inside Vivid Vervet, however. The latest release of Ubuntu also features re•-revamped menus, some important desktop improvements, a new version of LibreOffice, and features for developers, servers, and phones. Also worth noting is a change that isn’t included: Ubuntu 15.04 still contains the Unity 7 desktop environment. The converged version of Unity 8—which will connect Ubuntu’s mobile and desktop interfaces, switching between them dynamically when needed—scheduled for a future release.[/quote]

What's up with the hatred of systemd? I can't be fucked to read through the newgroups where people shout about it because linux super-nerds are fucking scary. But it's been pretty good for me on my Fedora install (fairly sure it runs systemd now anyway). Simple to manage, not breaking my shit as far as I know.

I prefer systemd over upstart

[QUOTE=hexpunK;47585158]What's up with the hatred of systemd? I can't be fucked to read through the newgroups where people shout about it because linux super-nerds are fucking scary. But it's been pretty good for me on my Fedora install (fairly sure it runs systemd now anyway). Simple to manage, not breaking my shit as far as I know.[/QUOTE] It requires big chunks of GNOME and while I have nothing in particular against GNOME, it's fucking backwards to have massive parts of graphical environment in completely core system functionality. One of the massive advantages Linux has over Windows is the cleans separability of the Kernel from anything remotely graphical, which is why it can be installed on Raspberry Pi, toasters, and god knows all what. If people drag in the mammoth that GNOME is into core system functions, Linux will lose one of it's main advantages, it's a massive step backwards.

I've tried switching to Ubuntu, but I could never get used to it no matter what

Systemd is much quicker and easier to use. I looked recently at some nasty initscripts.

Still not a huge fan of the sidebar.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;47585202]It requires big chunks of GNOME and while I have nothing in particular against GNOME, it's fucking backwards to have massive parts of graphical environment in completely core system functionality. One of the massive advantages Linux has over Windows is the cleans separability of the Kernel from anything remotely graphical, which is why it can be installed on Raspberry Pi, toasters, and god knows all what. If people drag in the mammoth that GNOME is into core system functions, Linux will lose one of it's main advantages, it's a massive step backwards.[/QUOTE] Are you certain it requires the GNOME environment? Because I've not been running that for at least a year now, and as far as I can see, none of the other GNOME subsystems are running either. If it requires parts of the GNOME project like their weird, overly complicated standard library wrapper that's hardly an issue. All I can find is that GNOME depends on systemd at the moment, and is planning to move over fully, but not the other way around.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;47585202]It requires big chunks of GNOME.[/QUOTE] systemd does not depend on GNOME.

Someday I'll upgrade from 14.04.

Been thinking of going to this on my gaming PC. But lack of Google Drive support, auto wallpaper rotation and a few other things is what's making me not.

Woo! It has Linux 3.19! Built in surface pro 3 support!

[QUOTE=rilez;47585423]systemd does not depend on GNOME.[/QUOTE] I didn't think so. As I understand it, most complaints revolve around the fact that it does more than just initialization (scheduling, logging, etc) and therefore is a single component which a HUGE amount of the system then depend upon, doesn't log in plaintext (you have to use a program to view the logs), anew them there's the usual squabbling over how good or bad of a person the project leader is and whether he aggressively pushed to have system included in things which occasionally descends into nutty conspiracy theory territory. I use it, it doesn't give me problems, can't be assed to remove it. It's more of a design philosophy debate than a practical one.

[QUOTE=froztshock;47586592]I didn't think so. As I understand it, most complaints revolve around the fact that it does more than just initialization (scheduling, logging, etc) and therefore is a single component which a HUGE amount of the system then depend upon, doesn't log in plaintext (you have to use a program to view the logs), anew them there's the usual squabbling over how good or bad of a person the project leader is and whether he aggressively pushed to have system included in things which occasionally descends into nutty conspiracy theory territory. I use it, it doesn't give me problems, can't be assed to remove it. It's more of a design philosophy debate than a practical one.[/QUOTE] Compared to other init systems I've tinkered with, systemd is pretty straightforward. Okay sure maybe it's not a true ~unix philosphy~ program as it isn't 100% modular. But really that's not too bad a thing if it all works fairly well. The only thing I can see people having the biggest issues with that are reasonable would be the non-plaintext logging, but if the program to read that is included in systemd, it's not really an issue.

Welp, yesterday I finished installing Ubuntu v.14 on shittons of laptops... IDK if my boss is gonna want me to update all of them. :v:

[QUOTE=Amiga OS;47589117] Arch uses sysvinit too which makes it incompatible.[/QUOTE] Doesen't Arch use Systemd for a few years now?

[QUOTE=kaukassus;47589176]Doesen't Arch use Systemd for a few years now?[/QUOTE] Does for me

[QUOTE=Amiga OS;47589365]Really, when did that happen?[/QUOTE] [quote] 2012-10-13 - systemd is now the default on new installations [/quote] [URL="https://www.archlinux.org/news/"]https://www.archlinux.org/news/systemd-is-now-the-default-on-new-installations/[/URL]

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;47586104]Been thinking of going to this on my gaming PC. But lack of Google Drive support, auto wallpaper rotation and a few other things is what's making me not.[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/1vxizs/a_wallpaper_rotator_for_gnome_shell/]Wallpaper rotator[/url] You can get google drive to sync with some tweaking. If you google something like "Gnome google drive support" you get a ton of hits on how to do it.

[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;47589661][url=http://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/1vxizs/a_wallpaper_rotator_for_gnome_shell/]Wallpaper rotator[/url] You can get google drive to sync with some tweaking. If you google something like "Gnome google drive support" you get a ton of hits on how to do it.[/QUOTE] I will definitely check this out. How much of a pain in the ass is Drive Sync to get to work?

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;47589732]I will definitely check this out. How much of a pain in the ass is Drive Sync to get to work?[/QUOTE] No clue, I use owncloud because I like collecting tinfoil. :tinfoil:

Ugh, I suppose now it the time to install this on my Netbook that has #! on it, after all #! is now dead :( Probably gonna go with Lubuntu or maybe just stick with my beloved Openbox with #! themes so I can never let go ;-;

[QUOTE=Tone Float;47586002]Someday I'll upgrade from 14.04.[/QUOTE] You will. In around a year, that's when the next LTS version is due.

[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;47589137]Welp, yesterday I finished installing Ubuntu v.14 on shittons of laptops... IDK if my boss is gonna want me to update all of them. :v:[/QUOTE] 14.04 has long term support so probably not. Businesses hate updating and 15.04s support will end years before 14.04s does.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;47585158]What's up with the hatred of systemd? I can't be fucked to read through the newgroups where people shout about it because linux super-nerds are fucking scary. But it's been pretty good for me on my Fedora install (fairly sure it runs systemd now anyway). Simple to manage, not breaking my shit as far as I know.[/QUOTE] Long story short, it adds a painful bureaucracy to a system and makes GNU-Linux feel more like Windows than UNIX™. [URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#History_and_controversy]Reading through the controversy[/URL] might give you an idea. tl;dr Most well-known UNIX™ users aren't too fond of how it creeps features in and a systemd developer even faced the Wrath of Torvalds. [editline]e[/editline] [QUOTE=Amiga OS;47589117]Wrong way around, GNOME has hard dependencies on systemd now, which is why people were kicking up a stink since it wasn't portable to other unix like systems such as BSD.[/QUOTE] Funtoo has a working [URL=http://www.funtoo.org/Funtoo_Linux_FAQ]systemd-less GNOME 3.14[/URL].

Can't you disable systemd? [editline]24th April 2015[/editline] [quote]Systemd is one of the most controversial projects in Linux-land right now. How controversial? So controversial that Lennart Poettering, one of systemd’s developers, even claims that horrible people have been pooling Bitcoins to hire a hitman on him. On a more reasonable level, there’s a Boycott systemd website that argues for a boycott of this software on various technical merits.[/quote] oh boy

And I literally just installed 14 yesterday.

[QUOTE=TheJoker;47585224]Still not a huge fan of the sidebar.[/QUOTE] You don't have to have Unity, which is the desktop environment you're talking about. There are spin-offs such as Xubuntu and Lubuntu which use different desktop environments.

[QUOTE=josm;47593618]You don't have to have Unity, which is the desktop environment you're talking about. There are spin-offs such as Xubuntu and Lubuntu which use different desktop environments.[/QUOTE] Thank you for that explanation. Before that, I thought a lot of people using Ubuntu just hated the game engine for some reason.

[QUOTE=josm;47593618]You don't have to have Unity, which is the desktop environment you're talking about. There are spin-offs such as Xubuntu and Lubuntu which use different desktop environments.[/QUOTE] Isn't it still possible to use Ubuntu with the classic ui?