Yemen's President Saleh heads to US for Medical Treatment, leaving power to Vice President until ret - Polidicks

[URL="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/middleeast/la-fg-yemen-president-us-20120123,0,6301624.story"]Source[/URL] La Times [quote] [URL="http://www.latimes.com/topic/intl/yemen-PLGEO00000072.topic"]Yemen[/URL] President [URL="http://www.latimes.com/topic/politics/government/ali-abdullah-saleh-PEPLT00008114.topic"]Ali Abdullah Saleh[/URL] left his battered nation Sundayfor medical treatment in the U.S., asking his countrymen to forgive him for years of turmoil and vowing to return to the Arabian Peninsula state he has ruled for decades. It was not immediately evident what effect Saleh's absence from Sana would have on a government weakened by protests, resurgent [URL="http://www.latimes.com/topic/unrest-conflicts-war/terrorism/al-qaeda-ORCIG000003751.topic"]Al Qaeda[/URL] militants, secessionist rumblings in the south and a rebellion in the north. The president's departure was characteristic of his brash, often unpredictable nature that has long kept his friends and enemies off balance. "I will leave for treatment in the United States and I will return to Sana as head of the General People's Congress party," Saleh was quoted by the state news agency as telling party officials in the capital. "I ask for pardon from all Yemeni men and women for any shortcoming that occurred during my 33-year rule and I ask forgiveness and offer my apologies." The [URL="http://www.latimes.com/topic/politics/government/u.s.-department-of-state-ORGOV000000150.topic"]State Department[/URL] confirmed that Saleh's request to travel to the United States had been approved. "As we have indicated, the sole purpose of this travel is for medical treatment and we expect that he will stay for a limited time that corresponds to the duration of this treatment," a spokesman said. Saleh, who was severely wounded in a bomb attack on his compound in June, flew to Oman on his way to the U.S. The trip came one day after parliament granted him immunity from prosecution. The president left behind a family he has shrewdly kept at the center of power, including his son, Ahmed, and nephews and a brother who oversee military and intelligence agencies. "His son still controls the Republican Guard and his brother and nephews control Central Security and Special Forces," said Basheer Samawi, an antigovernment activist. "We will still be ruled by Saleh, but only by different faces." Saleh handed much of his authority to Vice President Abdu Rabu Mansour Hadi in December after an immunity deal that was backed by the U.S., [URL="http://www.latimes.com/topic/intl/saudi-arabia-PLGEO00000070.topic"]Saudi Arabia[/URL] and other Persian Gulf countries. On Sunday, Saleh vowed to return to Yemen before presidential elections in February, which Hadi, the only candidate thus far, appears certain to win. Saleh spent months in Saudi Arabia recuperating from injuries from the assassination attempt. Many thought the president would be outmaneuvered by his political opponents and other enemies but Saleh returned home defiant. The nation's problems, however, have escalated as Saleh has been unable to defeat rival tribes, mutinous soldiers and Al Qaeda fighters who have overrun towns and villages. International pressure against him has intensified since protests against his rule began early last year as part of a wave of uprisings that swept the Middle East and North Africa. Saleh had been a close U.S. ally against Al Qaeda but the Obama administration grew critical of him after Yemeni security forces repeatedly attacked peaceful protesters across the country. Tens of thousands of protesters were outraged by the immunity deal, saying Saleh should be held accountable for the deaths of hundreds of street demonstrators. Many of them chanted, "It is our duty to execute the butcher," as Saleh was preparing to leave Sunday. A former tank commander, Saleh first announced in December that he would seek medical treatment in the U.S. He abruptly canceled weeks later after Washington appeared skittish at the prospect of greeting an autocrat at a time of dramatic regional upheaval. "Saleh will be weakened by his leaving. Those around him will also be weakened," said Gamal Hanesh, an antigovernment activist. "He won't be in the media. He won't have influence. It's very important that he be gone so this coming election will go smoothly. Yemen will get better, not soon, but it will get better." Much of the country — the poorest in the Arab world — has been carved into battle zones: Secessionists are plotting in the south, Al Qaeda militants have seized a town about 150 miles from the capital, Houthi rebels are fighting in the north, and tribal militias and forces loyal to a general who defected have been battling government troops. "Saleh has left, but his family, tribe and party are still here. This is positive because it will keep a balance of power in Sana," said Ali Saif Hassan, head of the Political Development Forum in the capital. "But the problems will come later. We need to solve the country's deeper problems of the secessionists, the Houthis and Al Qaeda." On Sunday, in what was billed as a farewell speech, Saleh told his supporters, "Today, I leave the country in your hands." He said Vice President Hadi "is the one responsible now" and he urged the fragile unity government to find "reconciliation" among the nation's many factions. He added, "We need now to take care of our martyrs and our wounds."[/quote]

Is this good or bad?

why not go to a country with a real healthcare program like canada or britain

[QUOTE=Cuntsman;34351470]why not go to a country with a real healthcare program like canada or britain[/QUOTE] Yes, if you want free health care that is hardly funded and shit then go there. OR Go to a place where health care is in competition thus creating greater quality and service with WORLD RENOWNED facilities and high quality staff that get paid what they do because they are the best at it. You want to have good health coverage? GET A JOB AND PAY FOR IT. Facilities like UPMC and UK Medical Center have some of the highest medical technology on the planet because people unlike you decided that they gave a damn about high quality health service. Shut up. Im done ranting now, but seriously im liberal and all but comments like this degrading our health service quality sicken me to live in this country with such daft retards. EDIT: I know ill get a shit ton of boxes from frantic teenagers who have no clue what they are talking about. I don't defend much but when most of the people who have brought me up are in the medical field ill be damned to have it degraded. But then again this is the internet and fighting is pointless.

[QUOTE=Jetblack357;34351430]Is this good or bad?[/QUOTE] It's bad because the very people protesting against him are being left behind by their ruler, who they demand justice from for killing hundreds of their own.

[QUOTE=King of Limbs;34351581]-shit-[/QUOTE] I'm sorry I made you so mad stating the obvious, maybe you should go to one of those high-quality facilities you talked about and get that asperger's checked out

[QUOTE=Cuntsman;34351677]I'm sorry I made you so mad stating the obvious, maybe you should go to one of those high-quality facilities you talked about and get that asperger's checked out[/QUOTE] Yeah ... should definetly get on that. Thanks for the head's up :) It's not obvious by the way, just saying. How many times do foreign leaders, citizens, and celebreties come to the US for medical treatment? A lot. So I guess they must not know of the excellent care in Canada and GB. Shame I guess.

[QUOTE=King of Limbs;34351581]Yes, if you want free health care that is hardly funded and shit then go there. OR Go to a place where health care is in competition thus creating greater quality and service with WORLD RENOWNED facilities and high quality staff that get paid what they do because they are the best at it. You want to have good health coverage? GET A JOB AND PAY FOR IT. Facilities like UPMC and UK Medical Center have some of the highest medical technology on the planet because people unlike you decided that they gave a damn about high quality health service. Shut up. Im done ranting now, but seriously im liberal and all but comments like this degrading our health service quality sicken me to live in this country with such daft retards. EDIT: I know ill get a shit ton of boxes from frantic teenagers who have no clue what they are talking about. I don't defend much but when most of the people who have brought me up are in the medical field ill be damned to have it degraded. But then again this is the internet and fighting is pointless.[/QUOTE] healthcare in the us isn't flawed in any way and since americans have to pay an absurd amount of money for treatment they could get elsewhere for cheaper, it means it's superior its not like it's a corrupt system not in 'merica :downs: [editline]22nd January 2012[/editline] then again your post is completely unbias [quote]I don't defend much but when most of the people who have brought me up are in the medical field [/quote]

[QUOTE=Valdor;34351726]healthcare in the us isn't flawed in any way and since americans have to pay an absurd amount of money for treatment they could get elsewhere for cheaper, it means it's superior its not like it's a corrupt system not in 'merica :downs: [editline]22nd January 2012[/editline] then again your post is completely unbias[/QUOTE] I didnt say it wasnt corrupt or flawed. I know its expensive. It's still superior due to the mass amount of money dumped into for technology and whatnot. Making it a great choice for foreign individuals to come to if they have the money, which im sure this bloke does.

American Healthcare is great, if you've got the cash.

[QUOTE=Craig Willmore;34351876]American Healthcare is great, if you've got the cash.[/QUOTE] as a victim of the current healthcare system, this is incredibly true a single hospital emergency room checkup can range from 300 to 1200$ (personally i got fucked for 1289$ USD without insurance)

[QUOTE=Moose;34353971]as a victim of the current healthcare system, this is incredibly true a single hospital emergency room checkup can range from 300 to 1200$ (personally i got fucked for 1289$ USD without insurance)[/QUOTE] Doesn't mean that your fucked if you have no cash, they can't deny you life-saving medicine and treatment. People make the US medical system seem a lot worse then it really is, people aren't dying here daily on the streets and shit because they [b]can't[/b] get medical care.

[QUOTE=glitchvid;34354272] People make the US medical system seem a lot worse then it really is, people aren't dying here daily on the streets and shit because they [b]can't[/b] get medical care.[/QUOTE] No, they're just being forced into horrid amounts of debt for deciding not to curl up and die from whatever ailment. Nothing wrong there.

[QUOTE=HawkeyeTy;34354295]No, they're just being forced into horrid amounts of debt for deciding not to curl up and die from whatever ailment. Nothing wrong there.[/QUOTE] Yes. I recently went to the hospital because I had lung issues, they did an MRI, catscan, and a few X-rays along with a ton of blood / scratch tests; with insurance the total was about $6,583. (Aside from it turning out to just be a "dry" form of a common lung issue) But there are many government programs that can / do / will help, people have issues because they often choose to have them, or because they don't know about the ways of getting help. like anything people forget the mundane and only remember the different or outstanding (ly good or bad) parts of things, and america has a lot of BAD stuff mentioned or noted about, but overall we aren't that bad.

I live about 40 minutes away from the Cleveland Clinic, which is world renowned in health care. My grandpa was in the hospital to get a hip replacement when they flew in the king of Saudi Arabia for some sort of heart condition. People come from all over the world to American hospitals because we really do have fantastic doctors.

"You get what you pay for" has a literal meaning for American medical treatment.

[QUOTE=OvB;34354405]"You get what you pay for" has a literal meaning for American medical treatment.[/QUOTE] The biggest reason why its so expensive is because the people / association that give the licenses, only give X many a year ( in each field ) not for quality control, but to keep pricing high. I know that as a fact, my mother wanted to be a a doctor of some sort, and many of my cousins as well. TL;DR America has a fixed flow of doctors and exponential need of them. And in Bender's words. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOS3wnoorZ8[/media]

[QUOTE=Cuntsman;34351470]why not go to a country with a real healthcare program like canada or britain[/QUOTE] American healthcare is the best if you can afford it which is why you have people coming from all over the world seeking treatment here. [editline]23rd January 2012[/editline] I mean, why would someone go out of their way to come here when they could go someplace cheaper?

[QUOTE=OvB;34354449] I mean, why would someone go out of their way to come here when they could go someplace cheaper?[/QUOTE] Because in sensible countries, you're not given special priority treatment based entirely on the amount of cash you're waving around.

[QUOTE=Cuntsman;34351470]why not go to a country with a real healthcare program like canada or britain[/QUOTE] if you are a filthy rich cunt then america is definitely the place to go for healthcare [editline]23rd January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Atlascore;34351778]Everyone that rated this dumb has no understanding of health care.[/QUOTE] he replied to a ridiculous statement with a ridiculous statement

[QUOTE=Prez;34351585]It's bad because the very people protesting against him are being left behind by their ruler, who they demand justice from for killing hundreds of their own.[/QUOTE] This sounds EXACTLY like an episode of House.

[quote]You want to have good health coverage? GET A JOB AND PAY FOR IT.[/quote] it's retarded attitudes like this which allow insurance companies to fuck the poor and middle class over [editline]23rd January 2012[/editline] he's right that you WOULD go to america to get the best possible healthcare if you were a stinking rich dictator, but then he said a whole load of other abhorrent shit which doesn't make any sense [editline]23rd January 2012[/editline] [img]http://i.imgur.com/5mMe1.gif[/img] [url=http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/spend.php]Source[/url] look at this fucking graph, says it all

from the amount of dumb ratings i seem to be getting it seems like none of you have a steady job that pays well... thus making me feel ignorant for saying what i did. im sorry.

[QUOTE=King of Limbs;34357890]from the amount of dumb ratings i seem to be getting it seems like none of you have a steady job that pays well... thus making me feel ignorant for saying what i did. im sorry.[/QUOTE] Sounds like passive aggression to me

[QUOTE=King of Limbs;34351581]Yes, if you want free health care that is hardly funded and shit then go there. OR Go to a place where health care is in competition thus creating greater quality and service with WORLD RENOWNED facilities and high quality staff that get paid what they do because they are the best at it. You want to have good health coverage? GET A JOB AND PAY FOR IT. Facilities like UPMC and UK Medical Center have some of the highest medical technology on the planet because people unlike you decided that they gave a damn about high quality health service. Shut up. Im done ranting now, but seriously im liberal and all but comments like this degrading our health service quality sicken me to live in this country with such daft retards. EDIT: I know ill get a shit ton of boxes from frantic teenagers who have no clue what they are talking about. I don't defend much but when most of the people who have brought me up are in the medical field ill be damned to have it degraded. But then again this is the internet and fighting is pointless.[/QUOTE] Good fucking luck enjoying ANY of those "world renowned quality" services if you aren't absolutely rich.

[QUOTE=King of Limbs;34351581]Yes, if you want free health care that is hardly funded and shit then go there. OR Go to a place where health care is in competition thus creating greater quality and service with WORLD RENOWNED facilities and high quality staff that get paid what they do because they are the best at it. You want to have good health coverage? GET A JOB AND PAY FOR IT. Facilities like UPMC and UK Medical Center have some of the highest medical technology on the planet because people unlike you decided that they gave a damn about high quality health service. Shut up. Im done ranting now, but seriously im liberal and all but comments like this degrading our health service quality sicken me to live in this country with such daft retards. EDIT: I know ill get a shit ton of boxes from frantic teenagers who have no clue what they are talking about. I don't defend much but when most of the people who have brought me up are in the medical field ill be damned to have it degraded. But then again this is the internet and fighting is pointless.[/QUOTE] This isn't a discussion on healthcare, this is a discussion on the political and humanitarian situation in Yemen, and the United State's involvement with Saleh. [B]STAY ON TOPIC.[/B]

[QUOTE=King of Limbs;34351581]Yes, if you want free health care that is hardly funded and shit then go there. OR Go to a place where health care is in competition thus creating greater quality and service with WORLD RENOWNED facilities and high quality staff that get paid what they do because they are the best at it. You want to have good health coverage? GET A JOB AND PAY FOR IT. Facilities like UPMC and UK Medical Center have some of the highest medical technology on the planet because people unlike you decided that they gave a damn about high quality health service. Shut up. Im done ranting now, but seriously im liberal and all but comments like this degrading our health service quality sicken me to live in this country with such daft retards. EDIT: I know ill get a shit ton of boxes from frantic teenagers who have no clue what they are talking about. I don't defend much but when most of the people who have brought me up are in the medical field ill be damned to have it degraded. But then again this is the internet and fighting is pointless.[/QUOTE] Your right wing rhetoric and condescending attitude towards differing views are not very convincing. I like to know that I will receive excellent healthcare no matter my social and financial situation. The people agreeing with you are mostly just the backseat capitalists of facepunch who are thankfully a minority.

[QUOTE=King of Limbs;34351581]Yes, if you want free health care that is hardly funded and shit then go there. OR Go to a place where health care is in competition thus creating greater quality and service with WORLD RENOWNED facilities and high quality staff that get paid what they do because they are the best at it. You want to have good health coverage? GET A JOB AND PAY FOR IT. Facilities like UPMC and UK Medical Center have some of the highest medical technology on the planet because people unlike you decided that they gave a damn about high quality health service. Shut up. Im done ranting now, but seriously im liberal and all but comments like this degrading our health service quality sicken me to live in this country with such daft retards. EDIT: I know ill get a shit ton of boxes from frantic teenagers who have no clue what they are talking about. I don't defend much but when most of the people who have brought me up are in the medical field ill be damned to have it degraded. But then again this is the internet and fighting is pointless.[/QUOTE] Except for the fact that Britains healthcare was in a worse condition when it was private. Also why the fuck should the amount of money you have dictate whether you live or die?

[QUOTE=King of Limbs;34351581] EDIT: I know ill get a shit ton of boxes from frantic teenagers who have no clue what they are talking about. I don't defend much but when most of the people who have brought me up are in the medical field ill be damned to have it degraded. But then again this is the internet and fighting is pointless.[/QUOTE] yeah uh i'm in the medical field too since i work at a hospital. the amount of people who pass up on treatment for serious issues is depressing and it's all because they can't afford health-care. if treating people is degrading to you then that's your problem, but keep it to yourself instead of preaching misery for people without health-care.