Rate of babies born with drug withdrawal syndrome in rural America skyrocket. - Polidicks

[url]http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/12/rising-number-of-rural-american-babies-born-with-opioid-withdrawal.html?__source=Facebook[/url] [quote]The rates of babies in rural American areas born with symptoms of opioid withdrawal has skyrocketed, illustrating another symptom of the ongoing opioid epidemic spreading through parts of the United States. Rural babies and mothers with opoid-related conditions are more likely than urban ones to come from lower-income families, and have public insurance, according to a new study published Monday in the peer-reviewed journal [URL="http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abstract/2592302"]JAMA Pediatrics[/URL].[/quote]

What the actual fuck? Didnt know this could happen even though it makes sense. Is there punishment for this?

I'm assuming this can be somewhat correlated to restrictions on abortions?

[QUOTE=Zombinie;51529743]I'm assuming this can be somewhat correlated to restrictions on abortions?[/QUOTE] but dont you know abortion is murder? nevermind all that 'quality of life for the baby once its born' nonsense

[QUOTE=Zombinie;51529743]I'm assuming this can be somewhat correlated to restrictions on abortions?[/QUOTE] It's correlated to a lot of things, low-income families and individuals being more likely to develop these addictions that carry over to pregnancy as well as the abortion restrictions.

[QUOTE=Zombinie;51529743]I'm assuming this can be somewhat correlated to restrictions on abortions?[/QUOTE] It's more likely related to the rising opioid addiction because of shitty prescription practices [img]https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/figures/m6450a3f1.gif[/img] Which of course turns into heroin abuse [img]https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/figures/m6450a3f2.gif[/img] The reason can be found here: [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2015/12/11/deaths-from-heroin-overdoses-surged-in-2014/[/url] [quote]Deaths from prescription drug overdoses had leveled off at about 16,000 annually until 2014, the data show. Heroin deaths, however, rapidly escalated starting in 2010. Authorities have said that government crackdowns on illegal pills pushed users to turn to heroin, which became cheaper and more widely available as drug cartels greatly increased their trafficking in the eastern United States. Now, Frieden said, authorities are grappling with a rise in illegally manufactured fentanyl, which is 25 to 40 times more powerful than heroin. The drug is used legally to provide relief from severe pain caused by cancer and other diseases, but authorities say dealers are now lacing heroin with fentanyl to improve its potency, leading to more overdoses.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Overhauser;51529825]It's more likely related to the rising opioid addiction because of shitty prescription practices[/QUOTE] Define 'shitty prescription practices'. I've heard people talk about this but nobody ever gives examples.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;51529830]Define 'shitty prescription practices'. I've heard people talk about this but nobody ever gives examples.[/QUOTE] I simplified it too much, added some more info also LWT did a good piece on it [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pdPrQFjo2o[/media] 2:55: 75% of heroin users start with prescribed drugs. "shitty prescription practices" can be seen defined from 4:18

First we had meth babies, now we have dope babies, 6 heroin overdoses in a small town nearby in the past few months, ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;51529830]Define 'shitty prescription practices'. I've heard people talk about this but nobody ever gives examples.[/QUOTE] Overprescribing things, basically. Docs are far too happy to throw pills at you until your illness goes away, or until you're too damn high to even care about the illness. It's also why we're getting so many superbugs that laugh at anti-biotics.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;51529830]Define 'shitty prescription practices'. I've heard people talk about this but nobody ever gives examples.[/QUOTE] You hear a lot about "drug mill" doctors who will write prescriptions for opiates and such, but I was under the impression that the DEA is incredibly strict on doctors, to the point where many doctors are very cautious with prescriptions. That said, defensive medicine is a major thing there, too, due to a litigious society so overprescription is also a major issue. I have to wonder if part of it is due to the costs of procedures, and relatively low access to primary care - due to both insurance and the shortage of general practitioners, leading to chronic conditions getting worse, and people with poor education on the topic seeking drugs from both legal and illegal sources. Pure speculation on my part, though.

i've been given opioid painkillers in the bottle and a perscription just in case i felt any pain even when i told the doc i felt fine. i didn't take them because I've seen enough people get roped into an opioid addiction that i didn't want to go down that path

there's opium in painkillers...?

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;51529830]Define 'shitty prescription practices'. I've heard people talk about this but nobody ever gives examples.[/QUOTE] Doctors passing the shit out like candy, like how they do with anti-depressants.

[QUOTE=Recurracy;51529889]there's opium in painkillers...?[/QUOTE] Most high strength painkillers are opium based afaik. Morphine, codeine etc. Things like paracetamol and ibuprofen aren't. The addiction factor is generally why (in the UK anyway) the doctors are pretty reluctant to give you even just a box of painkillers, let alone a monthly recurring prescription.

[QUOTE=Recurracy;51529889]there's opium in painkillers...?[/QUOTE] Opiates are a type of painkiller, such as morphine, codeine and such. On semantics it's really it's opioids as a more valid descriptor, as that includes ones like fentanyl that aren't from the opium poppy, but yeah, opiates are derived from opium poppies. Other types of painkillers exist, like paracetamol, ibuprofen and so many more, but opioids tend to be highly effective, and highly addictive, meaning they are controlled strictly, for good reason.

[QUOTE=Zombinie;51529743]I'm assuming this can be somewhat correlated to restrictions on abortions?[/QUOTE] Why don't we fix the base problem instead of treating a symptom with a method that people don't like? Providing a decent education and better pay to low income families would probably fix the problem just as well.

[QUOTE=Terminutter;51529859]You hear a lot about "drug mill" doctors who will write prescriptions for opiates and such, but I was under the impression that the DEA is incredibly strict on doctors, to the point where many doctors are very cautious with prescriptions. That said, defensive medicine is a major thing there, too, due to a litigious society so overprescription is also a major issue. I have to wonder if part of it is due to the costs of procedures, and relatively low access to primary care - due to both insurance and the shortage of general practitioners, leading to chronic conditions getting worse, and people with poor education on the topic seeking drugs from both legal and illegal sources. Pure speculation on my part, though.[/QUOTE] The DEA is strict. Many doctors who deal with patients who're on extended pain manage will have their patients sign an agreement to state the patient will only see that particular doctor. Adding into things, pharmacists have rules on how often they can fill pain killers. If they don't follow those rules, they can get fined...A lot. I'm talking a couple thousand per offense. With the patients, a lot of the addicts will go to multiple doctors in order to get their drugs.

And it's only getting worse. Even in the rich sanctuary cities like mine someone gets carted off like once a week after an OD.

[QUOTE=Recurracy;51529889]there's opium in painkillers...?[/QUOTE] Not opium specifically, but opiates yes. The way that many of these drugs function is by attaching to and interacting with opioid receptors in the brain. I'm not sure of the pharmokinetics, all I know is that they are a nervous system depressant (reduces activity, this is why they can kill in overdose, depress nervous system activity too much and you lose your medulla and pons influence on your breathing, you stop breathing essentially.) but effectively any molecule capable of interacting with your opioid receptors will have pain dampening effects. They also can alter the balance of the molecules that normally interact with these receptors, producing chemical dependence (addiction) because your body has reduced its output of the normal molecule that is supposed to interact with the receptor, or the antagonist, or other normal method of action. Most "real" pain killers that are used for surgeries or heavy trauma are opioid based. Examples of these products are: Codeine, Vicoden, Oxycotin, Dilaudid, Morphine, Dolophine (methadone) etc... One commonly believed pathway to heroin addiction is through these prescriptions. Heroin can be cheaper than these in some cases and sometimes more effective, but comes with all the problems of an uncontrolled substance. Tl;dr Opiates can be really bad if you aren't careful, and you should be smart and read up on the drugs you take. While a doctor may have an MD and invested a lot in schooling, it never hurts to double check and question why they're giving you a particular drug.

[QUOTE=TestECull;51529854]Overprescribing things, basically. Docs are far too happy to throw pills at you until your illness goes away, or until you're too damn high to even care about the illness. It's also why we're getting so many superbugs that laugh at anti-biotics.[/QUOTE] Antibiotics also has to do with because people won't take their fucking regimens correctly, so they don't kill off all the bacteria; instead, some survive and evolve greater immunity. They're also misused when it comes to agricultural practices concerning livestock. And the fact that this is happening in rural areas isn't surprising. The rural United States for the most part is fucking terrible-- whether we're talking education, poverty and economic opportunity (there's no jobs around here anymore), drugs, etc. There's also a lot of people (in my town at least) who are genuinely sick all the time. I don't know if it's because they have bad genetics or just don't take care of themselves or what, but I can't tell you how many people I've known who have had things cut out of them (tumors, tonsils, gallbladders, kidneys, wisdom teeth, etc.; my mom used to work with a woman who was abnormally tall and had [i]two uteruses[/i]), things put in them or on them to correct physical defects (lots of bone problems back here; scoliosis, hip and shoulder problems, arthritis), weird glandular problems (Grave's disease, pituitary irregularities, diabetes, etc.), cancers...

[QUOTE=Zombinie;51529743]I'm assuming this can be somewhat correlated to restrictions on abortions?[/QUOTE] Drug addiction and preference for abortion are linked? That's quite the assumption.

[QUOTE=Chonch;51530741]Drug addiction and preference for abortion are linked? That's quite the assumption.[/QUOTE] addicts having babies more often kinda being related to abortion restrictions does make a little sense u kno

[QUOTE=Chonch;51530741]Drug addiction and preference for abortion are linked? That's quite the assumption.[/QUOTE] why? people in situations where they may not be able to raise a baby are probably more likely to consider abortion, yes. sounds like a fair assumption to me

obviously we arent war on drugsing hard enough rn

[QUOTE=Saturn V;51530769]addicts having babies more often kinda being related to abortion restrictions does make a little sense u kno[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51530853]why? people in situations where they may not be able to raise a baby are probably more likely to consider abortion, yes. sounds like a fair assumption to me[/QUOTE] Don't we usually have big, well-funded social science studies to confirm this stuff instead of leaving it to feelings? I get that it makes sense in your head but that doesn't mean the two things are immediately correlated.

[QUOTE=IliekBoxes;51530017]Why don't we fix the base problem instead of treating a symptom with a method that people don't like? Providing a decent education and better pay to low income families would probably fix the problem just as well.[/QUOTE] Stilll no reason to leave the dumb restrictions on abortion in place. [QUOTE=Govna;51530739]Antibiotics also has to do with because people won't take their fucking regimens correctly, so they don't kill off all the bacteria; instead, some survive and evolve greater immunity.[/quote] And that is, in part, because doctors are prescribing them for minor bugs that the body's own immune system can handle juuuuuuuuust fine all on its own. People would be far less prone to stop their regimens early if these drugs weren't handed out like candy for seasonal stomach bugs that self-resolve with little more than OJ and a couple days off work. Only time I've ever had antibiotics was when I caught strep earlier this year...honestly I don't think I needed them, I was already on the upswing by the time I got the scrip in the first place/it wasn't a particularly bad case, but I took the whole scrip like I'm supposed to because I'm not a dumbass and I know stopping part-way through breeds superbugs. [quote] And the fact that this is happening in rural areas isn't surprising. The rural United States for the most part is fucking terrible-- whether we're talking education, poverty and economic opportunity (there's no jobs around here anymore), drugs, etc. There's also a lot of people (in my town at least) who are genuinely sick all the time. I don't know if it's because they have bad genetics or just don't take care of themselves or what, but I can't tell you how many people I've known who have had things cut out of them (tumors, tonsils, gallbladders, kidneys, wisdom teeth, etc.; my mom used to work with a woman who was abnormally tall and had [i]two uteruses[/i]), things put in them or on them to correct physical defects (lots of bone problems back here; scoliosis, hip and shoulder problems, arthritis), weird glandular problems (Grave's disease, pituitary irregularities, diabetes, etc.), cancers...[/QUOTE] While I don't quite have any experience with the illnesses, I can confirm that the economic opportunities out here aren't exactly ideal. I have to drive 20 miles into town every day, and 20 back home again, to work simply because there isn't anything closer. I would hazard a guess that a lot of the medical issues stem from the near poverty(Most people in that income bracket are on the 'don't get hurt' health plan, myself included), and from the fact that it's 20+ minutes for an ambulance to get out there should one be necessary. Between those two factors alone I will fully accept people out here having issues that people in more developed, more affluent areas just don't have. I, myself, have some pretty big dental issues that I can't afford to get corrected...perhaps I'm lucky that crooked teeth is my only health issue? I don't know. But I do know that I'm gonna have them for the forseeable future 'cause my broke ass can't afford to fix them. They're misaligned to the point it's easily a ten thousand dollar repair and my insurance from work ain't coverin' that shit. They work just fine, too, so meh. I can deal with it. I work in a warehouse loading trailers so them looking bad is irrelevant.

There used to be pill mills where I live,southeast,Ky,but most of those got shut down. To get into the remaining pain clinics you have to have a referral from a legit doctor's office now and proof of why. My mother has 4 herniated discs with one of them blown,spondylosis and her hips are messed up. She gets opioid pain meds and gabapentin from her primary care doctor. After her old doctor left and his replacement showed up she had to have another MRI to prove it to the state again. They are very strict about this stuff here and at this office. She doesn't get refills,she has to see them once a month to do urine tests not to just rule out if she's been taking illegal drugs but to make sure she has the pain killers and gabapentin in her urine,she has to see their psych guy once a month,they make her sign a paper stating she's only seeing them and that they can and do check her KASPER report. Personally I think KASPER did more to cut down on the doctor shopping than shutting down the pill mills did. Shutting down the pill mills just got more people shooting up heroin and suboxone. Also it's not just access to the pills but the general fucking ignorance. A friend of mine's daughter was very,heavily pregnant and still taking pain pills and she was bitching about her daughter being hateful cause she couldn't get a pill. All I could look at her and say was that it was good she couldn't get one cause her being addicted to pills wasn't good for the baby. Then she said "Nah doctor's give them to pregnant women. It's fine.". What? No. Same daughter was still smoking too. People are just ignorant as hell around this area. The hospitals here now drug test the baby and mom at birth cause of it. It's fucking sad that a bunch of shitty junkies can't stop to think of the health the baby they're carrying cause they want to get high. And no it has nothing to do with abortion,these women wouldn't get an abortion anyways because they think it's wrong. They have easy access to birth control at the health department or women's center,medicaid to pay for it and r-tec to take them if they don't have a car. It just kills me that they don't give a shit.

[QUOTE=Chonch;51531721]Don't we usually have big, well-funded social science studies to confirm this stuff instead of leaving it to feelings? I get that it makes sense in your head but that doesn't mean the two things are immediately correlated.[/QUOTE] lol people are allowed to hypothesize [editline]15th December 2016[/editline] even more so when your hypothesis makes sense

[QUOTE=Saturn V;51531955]lol people are allowed to hypothesize [editline]15th December 2016[/editline] even more so when your hypothesis makes sense[/QUOTE] Yes they are and also people are alloed to criticize your hypothesis. You jumping to "well am I not allowed" does have nothing to do with that, he told you that wether your hypothesis makes sense or not should be based on data, not on the drug-addict-and-now-pregnant-too tropes you have in your head.