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[HR][/HR] Mars is one of the closest planets to earth and is considered to be inside or just outside the habitable zone (perceptions of which are always changing as life is found in more hostile environments on Earth). It is about half the size of Earth and about a third of the mass as well as having polar ice caps.
There are many theories concerning the hypothesized destruction of Mars's atmosphere, and over millions of years the sun's radiation has stripped bare most traces of what previous Mars was like.
With increasing evidence that water once ran on mars and evidence that frozen water exists in the ice caps, it's not hard to imagine that Mars could once have been much like Earth is today.
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So I pose the questions: Was Mars similar to Earth today? Did life exist there and to what extent? Did Mars possibly have a civilization something like us?
It's hard to put your finger on but I believe that Mars did have a habitable atmosphere and possibly civilized life, after all, even if Mars did have a cities filled with skyscrapers and people like us they would have been utterly wiped out by the same event that caused mars to lose its atmosphere. Since then any trace of that life (buildings etc.) would have been stripped away by the sun.
Useful Links: [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_on_Mars#Liquid_water"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_on_Mars#Liquid_water[/URL]
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars[/URL]
Do you think any of us are scientists, or at least capable of providing an answer to your question that isn't regurgitated from news sources?
At the least though, I think it would be safe to say that if a society existed on Mars which built massive skyscrapers and so on, that we would have found such structures or even their rubble by now. But no, we have not. The only thing to wonder about is if basic life exists, or if there is a society underground. Those two questions are left to scientists and potential manned missions to Mars. No one here has the capability to answer either question.
It's fun to imagine that there could be intelligent civillazations there. What I kind of imagine is that they may have made such a dangerous weapon that they wiped out their atmosphere and themselves. But who knows?
would be awesome to have another planet :) sadly it's pretty far away. but 2015 :D we're going to visit Mars!
Maybe our planet will turn into a Mars-type of planet with most life wiped out after millions of years, and some outer observer is wondering if life was blooming on Earth at some point.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;34142456]Do you think any of us are scientists, or at least capable of providing an answer to your question that isn't regurgitated from news sources?
At the least though, I think it would be safe to say that if a society existed on Mars which built massive skyscrapers and so on, that we would have found such structures or even their rubble by now. But no, we have not. The only thing to wonder about is if basic life exists, or if there is a society underground. Those two questions are left to scientists and potential manned missions to Mars. No one here has the capability to answer either question.[/QUOTE]
Actually, almost all trace of civilization will have been wiped away after only a few thousand years, and after a million there wouldn't be anything left but a few fossils. If there was some planet-wide disaster like a nuclear war/asteroid impact/whatnot then this would go even faster.
It's quite fascinating really how quickly nature (wind, water, heat, bacterial and plant growth e.t.c.) can reduce whole cities to nothing if not constantly taken care of by its inhabitants. You should check out "Life after People", really informative and illustrative documentary on the subject.
I do not think that intelligent life existed on Mars. From what I've read, if Mars ever had oceans it was at least 1-2 billion years ago. Since Mars is almost as old as Earth it is reasonable to assume that the evolution of life would be similar to that of Earth's. 1-2 billion years ago we didn't even have multicellular organisms, and it is unlikely that the evolution on Mars was much faster. At most it might've had simple multicellular organisms such as amoeba.
Of course we'll probably never know in our lifetimes.
[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;34146532]Actually, almost all trace of civilization will have been wiped away after only a few thousand years, and after a million there wouldn't be anything left but a few fossils. If there was some planet-wide disaster like a nuclear war/asteroid impact/whatnot then this would go even faster.
It's quite fascinating really how quickly nature (wind, water, heat, bacterial and plant growth e.t.c.) can reduce whole cities to nothing if not constantly taken care of by its inhabitants. You should check out "Life after People", really informative and illustrative documentary on the subject.
I do not think that intelligent life existed on Mars. From what I've read, if Mars ever had oceans it was at least 1-2 billion years ago. [B]Since Mars is almost as old as Earth it is reasonable to assume that the evolution of life would be similar to that of Earth's.[/B] 1-2 billion years ago we didn't even have multicellular organisms, and it is unlikely that the evolution on Mars was much faster. At most it might've had simple multicellular organisms such as amoeba.
Of course we'll probably never know in our lifetimes.[/QUOTE]
That's a good point, I actually never thought of that. However you never know what the different conditions on Mars could have done to the life forms through the stages of evolution. Maybe they progressed at a different pace than us, but I guess it does sound more likely that no forms of advanced life could have developed within Mars's (hypothesized) habitable timeframe.
This deserves mentioning:
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cydonia_%28region_of_Mars%29[/url]
[img]http://www.truthcontrol.com/files/truthcontrol/images/6336.jpg[/img]
It's basically a region on Mars which contains some oddly shaped rocks ("structures").
Some claim that these are [url="http://metaresearch.org/solar%20system/cydonia/proof_files/proof.asp"]evidence[/url] for a long lost Martian civilization.
[QUOTE=Black;34142561]It's fun to imagine that there could be intelligent civillazations there. What I kind of imagine is that they may have made such a dangerous weapon that they wiped out their atmosphere and themselves. But who knows?[/QUOTE]
Considering the size of the Universe and our Galaxy it's a pretty safe bet to say there would be several sentient species on other planets in our Galaxy. But again, because of the size of the Universe and our Galaxy it is pretty much impossible to ever find, communicate with and meet them in at least the next 1,000+ years.
Looking for faces on Mars is just like looking for clouds that looks like stuff, the only relevant ones are the second and third images.
If life ever existed on Mars it would be deep down underground now. Rovers have (literally) just scratched the surface. Remote mining equipment would be needed for any real search.
Those photos above taken from the surface are really eerie to me.
[QUOTE=Fingers!!!;34169526]Looking for faces on Mars is just like looking for clouds that looks like stuff, the only relevant ones are the second and third images.[/QUOTE]
that cloud looks like a bunny therefore rabbits used to be highly intelligent skylords
how can those last two be so familiar to a face
Any ideas as to the first pic? The first thing that came to my mind was a manned space capsule with a parachute. :v:
[QUOTE=fskman;34188906]Any ideas as to the first pic? The first thing that came to my mind was a manned space capsule with a parachute. :v:[/QUOTE]
that would make sense, i really don´t know what types of capsules they used, i will find some photos.
Uh I did not vote obama?
Was mars at some point similar to earth? Sure. Did it last very long, long enough for the development of significant life? I honestly doubt it. Only a real scientist or someone incredibly educated on the matter is really going to be able to answer this point, honestly.
Going from logic, it took billions upon billions of years (the earth is about half the age of the universe) for any truly intelligent life to form (humans and dolphins [probably some others]). Let's not forget that this planet was really, really, really lucky. Insanely lucky, even, to produce life in the first place. To even be habitable for life as we know it was an incredibly lucky occurrence.
It's possible, and I cannot tell you how exciting it would be for me if there were some previous civilisation that we found there and researched, but I doubt it.
Could have been that the only available material for crude buildings was much more prone to decay than our materials. If not, then the only life that lived (lives?) there is non-sentient, or incredibly small.
Frankly, anything in the way of life or the means to sustain it would be fucking amazing.
[QUOTE=wizardsbane;34189779]Was mars at some point similar to earth? Sure. Did it last very long, long enough for the development of significant life? I honestly doubt it. Only a real scientist or someone incredibly educated on the matter is really going to be able to answer this point, honestly.
Going from logic, it took billions upon billions of years (the earth is about half the age of the universe) for any truly intelligent life to form (humans and dolphins [probably some others]). Let's not forget that this planet was really, really, really lucky. Insanely lucky, even, to produce life in the first place. To even be habitable for life as we know it was an incredibly lucky occurrence.
It's possible, and I cannot tell you how exciting it would be for me if there were some previous civilisation that we found there and researched, but I doubt it.[/QUOTE]
This is based on thesis that live evolved in same way like on our planet. You know, they didnt have to breath oxygen at all. But even I think that it is highly unlikely that there was some kind of intelligent live on mars before. I read some article about "cydonia". If we take a look at erosion on so-called pyramids or face, than the intelligent live had to dissapear from mars before aprox. 1 bilion years. Thats why i find it hard to believe.
[QUOTE=K1ll3rm4n;34190690]This is based on thesis that live evolved in same way like on our planet. You know, they didnt have to breath oxygen at all. But even I think that it is highly unlikely that there was some kind of intelligent live on mars before. I read some article about "cydonia". If we take a look at erosion on so-called pyramids or face, than the intelligent live had to dissapear from mars before aprox. 1 bilion years. Thats why i find it hard to believe.[/QUOTE]
If their planet was indeed similar to the earth, then I would move under the assumption that life came about in the same way. You're right though, I was being earth-centric.
Brb, trying to rework intergalactic hot air balloon for martian colony of gentlemen. Our main export will be martian tea and pocket watches.
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The one scares the shit out of me.
[QUOTE=Singo;34217369]The one scares the shit out of me.[/QUOTE]
It shouldn't, I don't think. As someone was observant enough to point out, it's just a space capsule and parachute.
[IMG]http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2004/065/5-065-reference-points.jpg[/IMG]
landing module, taken by Opportunity after its landing, its a view from back-camera i think. Look at the top-right side, where it points to an object, it may be the thing mentioned in previous picture (but still from this distance it can be anything)but quite certainly it ss not a landing module, because Opportunity landed in crater, and it should be seen at the picture.
Here are some more creepy pictures :) (all can be found on NASA site) :
[IMG]http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/257/marte03.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8915/m35a.jpg[/IMG]
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Back on topic: I believe that there actually was a life, but in very primitive form. Those things on photos can look weird, but Mars is different planet and different world, what seems anomalous to us can be normal over there.
There probably was life, as in basic creatures.
But not an real civilization, tribes of reptilians at best.
We can never answer these questions until we strip bare and travel every single rock and layer of mars, we can muse ourselves with knowledge that life may or may not exist but science can never be a hundred percent sure. We are learning new things every day, there is nothing saying that everything we know isn't a lie.
seeing as mars is pretty big... i really don't know, theres no rason why not... none
While there is no way to tell for sure, the idea that an intelligent species may have existed isn't absurd. I'd like to believe that they were possibly on the same path as we are, and a catastrophe happened that ended life on the planet.
We have to remember that Mars has been volcanically active throughout its history and that may have been what wiped out a possible civilization that once existed there.
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The first thing that comes to mind is some sort of tunnel that has steps in it.
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