Canada Supreme Court strikes down prostitution laws - Polidicks

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25468587[/url] [quote]The Supreme Court of Canada has unanimously struck down the nation's anti-prostitution laws. The high court deemed laws prohibiting brothels, communicating in public with clients and living on the profits of prostitution to be too sweeping. The ruling follows a court challenge filed by women who participated in the sex trade. The justices' decision gives the Canadian government one year to craft new legislation.[/quote]

Meaning 2014: The year Canada gets brothels! ... [I]maybe.[/I]

[QUOTE=Sixer;43250653]Meaning 2014: The year Canada gets brothels! ... [I]maybe.[/I][/QUOTE] Provincial tourism boost!

This comes at a great time just as Rob Ford said women love money.

And just in time for Christmas, too.

[QUOTE=Sixer;43250653]Meaning 2014: The year Canada gets brothels! ... [I]maybe.[/I][/QUOTE] We already have them, this law would be banning them.

[QUOTE=MaxisOp;43251480]And just in time for Christmas, too.[/QUOTE] 12 months for them to rewrite the legislation. Looks like little Timmy has to wait until next year for his Christmas blowjob. [editline]20th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Poo Monst3r;43252638]We already have them, this law would be banning them.[/QUOTE] Wrong on two accounts. From the article: [quote]Canada's criminal code currently makes it illegal to keep a brothel, communicate in public about acts of prostitution or live off its proceeds[/quote]

wait according to that legal wording its legal to privately talk about prostitution and be a prostitute so long as you donate the money to charity or something? [editline]20th December 2013[/editline] brings canadian's being nice to a whole new level

[video=youtube;q7Zn6ERmZXM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7Zn6ERmZXM[/video]

Why is this illegal in the first place? It's their body and if someone chooses to utilise their services, it's their choice and totally up to both parties to understand and accept the risks.

[QUOTE=Sungrazer;43262725]Why is this illegal in the first place? It's their body and if someone chooses to utilise their services, it's their choice and totally up to both parties to understand and accept the risks.[/QUOTE] Prostitution comes with serious mental and physical health risks.

[QUOTE=Sungrazer;43262725]Why is this illegal in the first place? It's their body and if someone chooses to utilise their services, it's their choice and totally up to both parties to understand and accept the risks.[/QUOTE] Prostitution, without strict regulation, opens the door to all kinds of terrible exploitation. The government just doesn't want to bother with regulating it because this way they can satisfy two agendas - keeping up the appearance of caring about crime, and not spending money protecting poor people.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;43262778]Prostitution comes with serious mental and physical health risks.[/QUOTE] [quote][b]it's their choice and totally up to both parties to understand and accept the risks.[/b][/quote]

[QUOTE=Sungrazer;43262887][/QUOTE] Not true, some people are sold/abducted/etc in to sex trafficking rings and are literally slaves. Some people don't get the "choice."

[QUOTE=MR-X;43262935]Not true, some people are sold/abducted/etc in to sex trafficking rings and are literally slaves. Some people don't get the "choice."[/QUOTE] Nobody ever said that should be legal. I'm talking about freely consenting adults.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;43262778]Prostitution comes with serious mental and physical health risks.[/QUOTE] Such as?

nice. proud to be canadian

[QUOTE=Sungrazer;43262982]Nobody ever said that should be legal. I'm talking about freely consenting adults.[/QUOTE] The trouble is, you have to spend money and work hours to make sure the former doesn't happen when you legalize the latter. With current polices forces and politicians, that isn't a sure thing.

[QUOTE=MR-X;43262935]Not true, some people are sold/abducted/etc in to sex trafficking rings and are literally slaves. Some people don't get the "choice."[/QUOTE] Wouldn't this happen less if it were a legal, regulated service rather than one run by people who are by definition criminals?

[QUOTE=blehblehbleh;43263523]Wouldn't this happen less if it were a legal, regulated service rather than one run by people who are by definition criminals?[/QUOTE] Yep. Prostitution is like drugs. Drugs are illegal, there's still thousands of people risking buying and selling drugs because the demand is huge. With prostitution illegal the women will be forced to look for shady agents and risking their life. I don't see how making it illegal will help anyone.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;43262778]Prostitution comes with serious mental and physical health risks.[/QUOTE] This is literally only because it is illegal. If it were completely legal, most problems with prostitution could be avoided. Which is exactly what countries where it is legal do.

[QUOTE=stewe231;43263837]Which is exactly what countries where it is legal do.[/QUOTE] What? This doesn't make sense. What did you mean to say?

Canada: The land of REAL liberty and freedom

- edit: that was a shitpost

[QUOTE=Sungrazer;43262982]Nobody ever said that should be legal. I'm talking about freely consenting adults.[/QUOTE] who is a "freely consenting adult"? is a broke woman with a drug addiction a "freely consenting adult"? is someone who has no other means of income a "freely consenting adult"? what about people coerced into the "trade" by family, friends, loved ones, etc. but not actually forced? are they a "freely consenting adult"?

[QUOTE=stewe231;43263837]This is literally only because it is illegal. If it were completely legal, most problems with prostitution could be avoided. Which is exactly what countries where it is legal do.[/QUOTE] It is legal in the Australian state of Victoria. Here are some findings about trafficked women in Europe that can be extrapolated to Australia's legal brothel system (because migrant women paying debts to pimps still occurs regularly here): [QUOTE]Before starting work in a destination setting, nearly half of the 23 trafficked women interviewed had been confined, raped, or beaten during the journey[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Women interviewed for this study rarely had access to health information or care while in transit[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Twenty-five of 28 women reported having been “intentionally hurt” since they left home. The majority of reported injuries and illness were the result of abuse.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Women reported broken bones, contusions, pain, loss of consciousness, headaches, high fevers, gastrointestinal problems, undiagnosed pelvic pain, complications from abortions, dermatological problems (e.g., rashes, scabies, and lice), unhealthy weight loss, and dental and oral health problems.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]All women reported having been sexually abused and coerced into involuntary sexual acts, including rape, forced anal and oral sex, forced unprotected sex, and gang rape.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Most women who worked as sex workers reported having 10 to 25 clients per night, while some had as many as 40 to 50 per night.[/QUOTE] - I'd tend to agree that strictly regulated brothels are better than outlawing them entirely (which has happened in Sweden where there's now a growing underground import market for trafficked women), but it isn't useful to pretend there are only risks when prostitution is illegal. Writing on a forum to persuade others that legal brothels erase all or even most of the sex workers' problems hides the suffering of many, many people around the world who already feel invisible within the legal sex work industry. [editline]22nd December 2013[/editline] Source of those quotes: Zimmerman, C., Yun, K., Shvab, I., Watts, C., Trappolin, L., Treppete, M., Bimbi, F., Adams, B., Jiraporn, S., Beci, L., Albrecht, M., Bindel, J., and Regan, L. (2003). The health risks and consequences of trafficking in women and adolescents. Findings from a European study. London: London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine

The way it works in most european countries is that it is illegal to be a pimp or a brothel owner, but legal to be a prostitude. This is to prevent sex workers being mistreated or forced into it. Human trafficking is illegal as well. The main problem isn't with the protitudes, but with the organized crime rings, since they will do everything under the sun to earn money. Therefore the laws makes it a lot harder for the crime rings, without banning prostitution outright (and therefore avoiding criminalizing the prostitudes).

There really is no solution to all the problems prostitution brings. Making it illegal will not solve anything, because it only drives prostitution underground, makes it more dangerous for the workers and the clients, makes exploitation even easier and the funds derived from it usually fund other illegal activities. However legalizing it brings a whole new bunch of problems, such as enforcement of very strict regulations (especially if private sector is involved) and even a legalized system cannot completely stop exploitation of vulnerable women who are forced or coerced into the system. Perhaps the best way (and by no means the perfect way since there probably is no perfect way) would be to make all brothels government run, public sector institutions where strict regulations can be more easily enforced.

[QUOTE=Fetret;43272340]There really is no solution to all the problems prostitution brings. Making it illegal will not solve anything, because it only drives prostitution underground, makes it more dangerous for the workers and the clients, makes exploitation even easier and the funds derived from it usually fund other illegal activities. However legalizing it brings a whole new bunch of problems, such as enforcement of very strict regulations (especially if private sector is involved) and even a legalized system cannot completely stop exploitation of vulnerable women who are forced or coerced into the system. Perhaps the best way (and by no means the perfect way since there probably is no perfect way) would be to make all brothels government run, public sector institutions where strict regulations can be more easily enforced.[/QUOTE] and even then there's a fat chance of that ever happening because of the current social reputation of sex [editline]22nd December 2013[/editline] certainly a tricky subject

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43269545]who is a "freely consenting adult"? is a broke woman with a drug addiction a "freely consenting adult"? is someone who has no other means of income a "freely consenting adult"? what about people coerced into the "trade" by family, friends, loved ones, etc. but not actually forced? are they a "freely consenting adult"?[/QUOTE] Yeah, yeah, and you'll say nobody in the world is "freely consenting" because it's necessary to work to live. We all know how this conversation with you goes, so let's skip to the end where everybody gives up arguing.