You are now racist if you want schools to be safer - Polidicks

The thread title is the news article title, to avoid editorializing ban as i dont know what to rename it. [url]http://nypost.com/2016/04/10/youre-now-a-racist-if-you-say-schools-need-to-be-safer/[/url] [QUOTE]Under pressure from Obama educrats, public school districts are no longer suspending even violent students; but now, under pressure from Black Lives Matter, they are suspending teachers who complain about not suspending bad kids. In St. Paul, Minn., a high school teacher was put on administrative leave last month after Black Lives Matter threatened to shut down the school because the teacher complained about lenient discipline policies that have led to a string of assaults on fellow teachers. Last month, two students at Como Park Senior High School punched and body slammed a business teacher unconscious, opening a head wound that required staples. And earlier in the year, another student choked a science teacher into a partial coma that left him hospitalized for several days. In both cases, the teachers were white and the students black. Theo Olson, a teacher at the school complained on Facebook about new district policies that fail to punish kids for fighting and drug-dealing. Like dozens of cities across the country — including New York — St. Paul adopted the policies in compliance with new discipline guidelines issued by the Obama administration. The Education Department has threatened school districts with lawsuits and funding cuts wherever if finds racial “disparities” in suspensions and expulsions, arguing such disparities have created a “school-to-prison pipeline” for African-Americans children. The agency claims such disparities are the product of racism in schools. “Anyone care to explain to me the school-to-prison pipeline my colleagues and I have somehow created, or perpetuated, or not done enough to interrupt?” Olson wrote. “Because if you can’t prove it, the campaigns you’ve waged to deconstruct adult authority in my building by enabling student misconduct, you seriously owe us real teachers an apology.” Complained Olson: “Since we now have no backup, no functional location to send kids who won’t quit gaming, setting up fights, selling drugs, whoring trains, or cyber bullying, we’re screwed, just designing our own classroom rules.” For these mild opinions, Black Lives Matter called Olson “a white supremacist” even though he had once marched with the group. Two days after Black Lives Matter met with the St. Paul school superintendent — and agreed to call off its protest — the 10-year veteran teacher was put on leave. The world has gone mad.[/QUOTE] more examples of teachers getting fired/sued and statistics in the link

[quote=Article]..Since we now have no backup, no functional location to send kids who won’t quit [B]gaming[/B], setting up fights, selling drugs, whoring trains..[/quote] One of these things is not like the others

[quote]The world has gone mad.[/quote] The United States has anyway. [editline]15th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Lord Xenoyia;50328060]One of these things is not like the other[/QUOTE] Doesn't invalidate the point. Our school system is absolute garbage, and this is just making it even worse.

uhhh... yeah take this from a heavy grain of salt, this is NYPost a really right winged "Newspaper" (TABLOID actually).

[QUOTE=Lord Xenoyia;50328060]One of these things is not like the others[/QUOTE] I assume that he means gambling, not videogames. I know that in my high school there was a bit of a gambling ring going on that got quelled pretty quickly, but I imagine that in a seedier school district that it might be more intense.

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;50328075]uhhh... yeah take this from a heavy grain of salt, this is NYPost a really right winged "Newspaper" (TABLOID actually).[/QUOTE] i dont know much about news sources but reading the article they have alot of statistics that show that teachers don't really feel safe at school and seem pretty backed up with info. [QUOTE]To lower suspension rates, St. Paul tied principals’ bonuses to discipline stats. Suspensions are down, but assaults have explode by 62%. In 2015 alone, 14 students had to be arrested for attacking school officials. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]A recent survey of 830 Syracuse teachers by the New York State United Teachers union found that more than a third say they’ve been assaulted at least once in the classroom, with more than 70% of victims saying they’ve suffered cuts and bruises or broken bones. Overall, two-thirds of teachers say they fear for their safety, and 43% complain their schools are no longer committed to protecting them. As a result, nearly half say they’re “seriously considering” quitting.[/QUOTE] broken clocks work twice a day i guess

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;50328075]uhhh... yeah take this from a heavy grain of salt, this is NYPost a really right winged "Newspaper" (TABLOID actually).[/QUOTE] Theo Olson's story, the guy mentioned here, should be common knowledge at this point. [url]http://www.fox9.com/news/101968626-story[/url] [quote]Prior to Monday's meeting, organizer Rashad Turner said the group would protest unless Olson is fired. On March 2, Turner posted screenshots of a pair of Olson’s Facebook comments on a page for a local teachers union. They read: “Anyone care to explain to me the school-to-prison pipeline my colleagues and I have somehow created, or perpetuated, or not done enough to interrupt? Because if you can’t prove it, and campaigns you’ve waged to deconstruct adult authority in my building by enabling student misconduct, you seriously owe us real teachers an apology. Actually, an apology won’t cut it.” “Phones and iPad devices, used for social media and gaming. There have always been rules for ‘devices,’ and defined levels of misconduct. Since we now have no backup, no functional location to send kids who won’t quit gaming, setting up fights, selling drugs, whoring trains, or cyber bullying, we’re screwed, just design our own classroom rules. Hopefully tomorrow’s settlement will begin to fix this.” On his page, Turner called Olson “the epitome of a bad teacher. An example of a white supremacist teacher. Another indication that we need more teachers of color and more teachers who care about and will teach all kids.” “Fb, meet Theodore Olson, the epitome of a bad teacher. An example of a white supremacist teacher. Another indication that we need more teachers of color and more teachers who care about and will teach all kids. Its teachers like Theodore Olson who bring the reputation of the great teachers in our district down. If the SPFT is protecting bad teachers like this one, who the is protecting our children ???? We have to be the ones to protect our children, they are under attack from the SPFT. This same teacher, feels that the teachers should govern the school.”[/quote] Black Lives Matter threatened to shut down the high school unless he was fired, and after some posturing on their part, the district finally caved and put him on paid leave. And Rashad Turner can go deepthroat a cactus; he's a fucking moron. "A white supremacist teacher"? Seriously?

[QUOTE=Govna;50328113]Theo Olson's story, the guy mentioned here, should be common knowledge at this point. [url]http://www.fox9.com/news/101968626-story[/url] Black Lives Matter threatened to shut down the high school unless he was fired, and after some posturing on their part, the district finally caved and put him on paid leave. And Rashad Turner can go deepthroat a cactus; he's a fucking moron. "A white supremacist teacher"? Seriously?[/QUOTE] I'm saying this is a mountain of a molehill, no one is going to be prevented from discipline students.

[QUOTE=Wii60;50328040]The thread title is the news article title, to avoid editorializing ban as i dont know what to rename it.[/QUOTE] To be fair, the whole article is written from a very slanted point of view with other statements like: [QUOTE]Obama educrats[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]In both cases, the teachers were white and the students black.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Black Lives Matter called Olson “a white supremacist” [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]The world has gone mad.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Even the liberal Minneapolis Star-Tribune[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]school districts are coddling violent kids[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Obama’s national school discipline policy turns classrooms into war zones[/QUOTE] There is more, but all of these quotes heavily push the "PC gone wild" narrative that the author clearly wants to present. This is clearly not an unbiased presentation and should be labeled as the opinion piece that it is.

Enablers are literally the worst.

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;50328129]I'm saying this is a mountain of a molehill, no one is going to be prevented from discipline students.[/QUOTE] The number of incidents like Olson's say otherwise. Even if it happened only once, that's still unacceptable; it sets a bad precedent which says "this sort of behavior is tolerable; you can get your way if you accuse others of being racist/bigoted and make enough noise".

Lord, NYPost is such editorialized shit. But the article has a few things in it that are undeniably true - [URL="http://www.twincities.com/2016/03/10/how-we-got-here-violence-in-st-paul-schools/"]violence is increasing in twin cities schools[/URL]. The NYPost article makes a mockery of the situation by injecting a fuckton of snarky, reactionary political commentary into it. For one, the push to reduce suspensions in St. Paul school's wasn't to try to hide from Education Department lawsuits based on "racial disparities in suspensions." The article is right in the method of execution, with principal bonuses being tied to suspension stats, but the reasoning before it is totally politicized and outright [i]wrong[/i]. Valeria Silva, the superintendent, pushed for a reduction in suspensions because he thought that troubled kids with behavioral issues couldn't have those behavioral issues resolved if they were prevented from going to school. It was a push to further involve teachers in helping improve student behavior, not some nonsensical bullshit about avoiding "racial disparities" or "coddling violent kids." It was about keeping kids in school so that their behavioral issues can be addressed instead of just shunting them outside - St. Paul already had a very high suspension rate, so reducing it was reasonable. Even then, looking at the data in the article I linked above, 6% of St. Paul teachers reported being physically assaulted by students. That is 0.2% higher than the national average - and neighboring Wisconsin has a rate of [I]11.3%[/I]. The teachers aren't complaining because they're not permitted to punish black kids. They're complaining because principals want their bonuses and are refusing to suspend the kids with [i]severe[/i] behavioral issues that actually interrupt classwork and lead to violence. [B]And the teachers negotiated with their union to get a contract that required a commitment to hire the equivalent of 30 full-time counselors, social workers, nurses, psychologists[/B] in order to curb the violence and make Silva's suspension policy actually work in helping kids with behavioral issues. Editorialized bullshit to pander to "PC is taking over the world!" folks. This is already getting resolved through union contracts and painting it as some racist agenda based on totally unrelated Education Department policies and the comments of a single twitter activist is really really stretching. NYPost should be ashamed for this drivel.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but you want to cite all that?

Knowing how regressive the BLM movement is, this does not surprise me.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;50328216]Lord, NYPost is such editorialized shit. But the article has a few things in it that are undeniably true - [URL="http://www.twincities.com/2016/03/10/how-we-got-here-violence-in-st-paul-schools/"]violence is increasing in twin cities schools[/URL]. The NYPost article makes a mockery of the situation by injecting a fuckton of snarky, reactionary political commentary into it. For one, the push to reduce suspensions in St. Paul school's wasn't to try to hide from Education Department lawsuits based on "racial disparities in suspensions." The article is right in the method of execution, with principal bonuses being tied to suspension stats, but the reasoning before it is totally politicized and outright [i]wrong[/i]. Valeria Silva, the superintendent, pushed for a reduction in suspensions because he thought that troubled kids with behavioral issues couldn't have those behavioral issues resolved if they were prevented from going to school. It was a push to further involve teachers in helping improve student behavior, not some nonsensical bullshit about avoiding "racial disparities" or "coddling violent kids." It was about keeping kids in school so that their behavioral issues can be addressed instead of just shunting them outside - St. Paul already had a very high suspension rate, so reducing it was reasonable. Even then, looking at the data in the article I linked above, 6% of St. Paul teachers reported being physically assaulted by students. That is 0.2% higher than the national average - and neighboring Wisconsin has a rate of [I]11.3%[/I]. The teachers aren't complaining because they're not permitted to punish black kids. They're complaining because principals want their bonuses and are refusing to suspend the kids with [i]severe[/i] behavioral issues that actually interrupt classwork and lead to violence. [B]And the teachers negotiated with their union to get a contract that required a commitment to hire the equivalent of 30 full-time counselors, social workers, nurses, psychologists[/B] in order to curb the violence and make Silva's suspension policy actually work in helping kids with behavioral issues. Editorialized bullshit to pander to "PC is taking over the world!" folks. This is already getting resolved through union contracts and painting it as some racist agenda based on totally unrelated Education Department policies and the comments of a single twitter activist is really really stretching. NYPost should be ashamed for this drivel.[/QUOTE] Thank you for actually informing us what is going on, NYPost didn't tell us the full story and is bordering a bad opinion piece

I thought "Sensationalist Headlines" was supposed to be ironic and not a green light to post shitty clickbait editorialized opinion pieces.

So the people who talk about a school-to-prison pipeline are the same people perpetuating it by allowing students to assault their teachers and enable behavior that will only end with them in prison. The teachers and students both suffer.

[QUOTE=Splash Attack;50328132]To be fair, the whole article is written from a very slanted point of view with other statements like: There is more, but all of these quotes heavily push the "PC gone wild" narrative that the author clearly wants to present. This is clearly not an unbiased presentation and should be labeled as the opinion piece that it is.[/QUOTE] To be fair, mentioning the race of the assailants and the victims is key here. They're obviously racially motivated. "School districts are coddling violent kids" Is arguably true if the students face no punishment, as coddling has a very clear definition.

[QUOTE=sgman91;50328238]I'm not saying you're wrong, but you want to cite all that?[/QUOTE] Check the link in my post to a local Twin Cities newspaper. It contains numerous links to analysis of sources, including [URL="http://www.twincities.com/2015/12/09/how-much-violence-is-there-against-minnesota-teachers/"]one analysis of exactly how much violence there is against teachers in MN[/URL]. It directly cites the [URL="http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2015/2015072.pdf"]2014 US Department of Education report on school crime and safety[/URL]. It also claims that according to a 2015 DoE report on school violence, elementary teachers (K-6) reported being physically assaulted by students at a rate of 8%, and that secondary grade teachers (7-12) reported being physically assaulted by students at a rate of 3%. I don't know about you, but being physically assaulted by literal children from ages 5-12 is slightly less worrying than near-adult high school students assaulting me - and the evidence suggests that as students age, their assaults against teachers decrease significantly, at least in this study. That 6% rate cited for Minnesota includes assaults from five years olds.

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;50328075]uhhh... yeah take this from a heavy grain of salt, this is NYPost a really right winged "Newspaper" (TABLOID actually).[/QUOTE] Not really related to the article, but I've noticed a very growing right-wing trend on the internet lately. You now have people citing NY Post and especially Breitbart to reinforce their views. I feel that the hard left (i.e., SJWs and BLM, among other examples) are creating the next generation of the hard right. Like, there are lots of people who unironically support Trump for presidency. It's really bizarre to watch.

So uh When are we gonna put BLM on the heat?

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50328351]Not really related to the article, but I've noticed a very growing right-wing trend on the internet lately. You now have people citing NY Post and especially Breitbart to reinforce their views. I feel that the hard left (i.e., SJWs and BLM, among other examples) are creating the next generation of the hard right. Like, there are lots of people who unironically support Trump for presidency. It's really bizarre to watch.[/QUOTE] yeah. i consider myself moderate in terms of politics stuff. Both sides are insane but as of recently the Left-PC side has gotten alot more dangerous simply because its a bunch of racists and bigots that use a different dictionary to spread their hate, thus people listen to them more. i mean we went from colored people, a racist term in the 60s, to people of color or POC, which is somehow correct. Need of Segregation so "we can keep them darkies away from me" to need of Safe spaces to "protect those poor defenseless minorities from evil white males" which is just fucking offensive to me, a trans-woman. its just really batshit and just purely fuels right-wing bullshit to have a massive resurgence and creates worst-case scenarios like trump for president happening. why can't we just get together already and judge by character and not race/sex.

[QUOTE=Wii60;50328472]yeah. i consider myself moderate in terms of politics stuff. Both sides are insane but as of recently the Left-PC side has gotten alot more dangerous simply because its a bunch of racists and bigots that use a different dictionary to spread their hate, thus people listen to them more. i mean we went from colored people, a racist term in the 60s, to people of color or POC, which is somehow correct. Need of Segregation so "we can keep them darkies away from me" to need of Safe spaces to "protect those poor defenseless minorities from evil white males". its just really batshit and just purely fuels right-wing bullshit to have a massive resurgence and creates worst-case scenarios like trump for president happening. why can't we just get together already and judge by character and not race/sex.[/QUOTE] Maybe 10 years ago saying that you should judge someone on character and not race/sex would work just fine. but the current political climate and emergence of a "new left" with the shootings of black men and other tragedies in the past few years being pushed hard by media outlets has changed that and now everyone wants to be the one to protect the minorities because apparently they can't care for themselves and need the help of the higher ups. and then, like you just said, the Yin to their Yang, the hard right has appeared to counter them. We have tried to push for progressive change so hard we are at risk of regressing.

Most of the time when people complain about the left people cite BLM, SJWs, PC culture, internet keyboard warriors and students on college campuses. None of these people are in public office to the degree that the right is and they're the ones that are actually dangerous and can do the most damage because they actually have an effect on policy.

I'm really hesitant to read an article with such a loaded title.

[QUOTE=Splash Attack;50328132]To be fair, the whole article is written from a very slanted point of view with other statements like: - Quotes from the article - There is more, but all of these quotes heavily push the "PC gone wild" narrative that the author clearly wants to present. This is clearly not an unbiased presentation and should be labeled as the opinion piece that it is.[/QUOTE] I really don't mean this to be a personal attack on the OP but I wish that people read the article before posting it. Hell the clickbait title should've been a dead fucking giveaway.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;50328216]Lord, NYPost is such editorialized shit. But the article has a few things in it that are undeniably true - [URL="http://www.twincities.com/2016/03/10/how-we-got-here-violence-in-st-paul-schools/"]violence is increasing in twin cities schools[/URL]. The NYPost article makes a mockery of the situation by injecting a fuckton of snarky, reactionary political commentary into it. For one, the push to reduce suspensions in St. Paul school's wasn't to try to hide from Education Department lawsuits based on "racial disparities in suspensions." The article is right in the method of execution, with principal bonuses being tied to suspension stats, but the reasoning before it is totally politicized and outright [i]wrong[/i]. [B]Valeria Silva, the superintendent, pushed for a reduction in suspensions because he thought that troubled kids with behavioral issues couldn't have those behavioral issues resolved if they were prevented from going to school. It was a push to further involve teachers in helping improve student behavior, [U]not some nonsensical bullshit about avoiding "racial disparities" or "coddling violent kids."[/U][/B] It was about keeping kids in school so that their behavioral issues can be addressed instead of just shunting them outside - St. Paul already had a very high suspension rate, so reducing it was reasonable. Even then, looking at the data in the article I linked above, 6% of St. Paul teachers reported being physically assaulted by students. That is 0.2% higher than the national average - and neighboring Wisconsin has a rate of [I]11.3%[/I]. The teachers aren't complaining because they're not permitted to punish black kids. They're complaining because principals want their bonuses and are refusing to suspend the kids with [i]severe[/i] behavioral issues that actually interrupt classwork and lead to violence. [B]And the teachers negotiated with their union to get a contract that required a commitment to hire the equivalent of 30 full-time counselors, social workers, nurses, psychologists[/B] in order to curb the violence and make Silva's suspension policy actually work in helping kids with behavioral issues. Editorialized bullshit to pander to "PC is taking over the world!" folks. This is already getting resolved through union contracts and painting it as some racist agenda based on totally unrelated Education Department policies and the comments of a single twitter activist is really really stretching. NYPost should be ashamed for this drivel.[/QUOTE] The article and the New York Post as a whole are both pretty shit, but this is wrong. The Obama Administration literally warned legal and financial consequences for schools that discipline minority students in a way that the administration considers disproportionate, which one could argue (and many people do, specifically people who actually work in education and know what they're talking about first-hand) will lead to even worse discipline in schools for fear of appearing racist and having funding cut or having legal sanctions imposed against school systems which are just trying to maintain some sort of order in their schools. My aunt is an English teacher who had to do a few semesters teaching in a Harlem, NY high school a year or two ago. Students physically assaulted her, threatened her life, sexually harassed her, etc. etc. on a regular basis and faced zero consequences or discipline. A female student went so far as to follow her at night after threatening to shoot her in class, and was given like a 3 day suspension and then set right back down in class 3 feet away from my aunt afterwards like nothing happened. I'm not denying there are racial biases that result in minority students being treated unfairly, and of course it needs to be addressed, but I think it's obvious that the administration's threats aren't an optimal solution and will just increase school violence and misbehavior as schools are afraid to maintain order.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50328580]I really don't mean this to be a personal attack on the OP but I wish that people read the article before posting it. Hell the clickbait title should've been a dead fucking giveaway.[/QUOTE] i always followed the "dont judge a book by its cover" mentality. A news article title is basically its cover while the article had cases of teachers getting fired and sued for saying they should be able to suspend violent students or defending themselves. then the whole statistics sections too.

I think the issue goes a lot deeper than orbiting the topics related to race. If the administration doesn't have an appropriate behavioral interference program in place for students regardless of sex, gender, color, etc., then they face a lot more issues than just the appearance that "we're punishing minorities too much". Of course, there are always biases from individuals in school administration, but with an appropriate behavioral program that is reinforced for all students and required to be followed the same way by every teacher, then this had a tendency to minimize these sorts of conflicts. A student who is involved in drugs, gambling, and physical/gang violence needs to be referred to a counselor who specializes in that sort of behavior along WITH things like suspension. Doing just one or the other typically doesn't help. And the fact that a school admin can just say "suspension" and then let the issue be (and then complain later why it isn't working) is clearly not interested in the connection with the student/parent/community that's required to be supportive and successful. Nor do they seem to be aware of that individual student's circumstances. Generally, students have REASONS for doing what they do and ending up where they are. Not every student is "salvageable", but that's not a reason to not make an attempt. Idk a lot of this can be solved or at least mitigated by school administration being better educated/prepared and cared FOR by the states in order to provide adequate resources to students from troubled backgrounds. Both minority students and otherwise.

Sweet fucking hell idiots