Russia Promises Manned Launches from Its Own Soil in 2018
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[QUOTE]Russia, one of the world's space powerhouses, has been launching its rockets from Kazakhstan since the early days of its space program, but now plans to shift its launches to Russian soil within five years. But some experts question whether such a pace is realistic.
This spring, President Vladimir Putin pledged $51.8 billion by 2020 to place his country back in the top ranks of world space explorers. The centerpiece of that promise is Vostochny, a cosmodrome, or launch site, under construction in eastern Siberia, near the Chinese border. Within five years, Putin promised that an International Space Station crew would launch from Vostochny.
"Construction work is accelerated here," Putin told the space station's Expedition 35crew in Russian remarks translated on NASA Television April 12. Russia will be launching manned vehicles by 2018, he added. "The next stage, by 2020, we plan to launch extra-heavy vehicles." [Russia's New Spaceport: Vostochny Space Launch Center in Photos]
Putin's motivations could be political — there have been tensions over the years with the Baikonur Cosmodrome lease in Kazakhstan — or, observers said, a move to bring more commercial space activity into his country.
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[url]http://www.space.com/21555-russian-rocket-launch-site-kazakhstan.html[/url]
Doesn't their lease on Baikonur expire soon? That, or Kazakhstan wants a renegotiation more favourable to them. Makes sense to move it home if that's a problem.
they renewed it for 20 years
Unlikely as it is, I would love another space race.
Shouldn't they move it more in the south? They are just making it harder when they move it far away from the equator, they are throwing away precious speed.
[QUOTE=TorashVD;41037857]Shouldn't they move it more in the south? They are just making it harder when they move it far away from the equator, they are throwing away precious speed.[/QUOTE]
I was wondering the same thing... Especially if they're planning on launching extra heavy vehicles as the article says..
[QUOTE=Killerelf12;41037877]I was wondering the same thing... Especially if they're planning on launching extra heavy vehicles as the article says..[/QUOTE]
Well the only explanation I have would be that it is more expensive to transport stuff into Kazachstan, or Russia is just being random again.
[QUOTE=kidwithsword;41037842]Unlikely as it is, I would love another space race.[/QUOTE]
Well for the next Space Race you should watch out for China or even Brazil, China has some advantages neither Russia nor America has, like the launch position and rather good economy.
Russia to invade Kazakhstan, retake Baikonur Cosmodrome.
At least someone is doing it.
If Russia can do it, so can I.
[QUOTE=TorashVD;41037934]or even Brazil[/QUOTE]
HUEHUEHUE
Are you serious? Government doesn't give a single flying fuck about science here.
That's why our scientists live in either Europe or the USA.
[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;41038490]HUEHUEHUE
Are you serious? Government doesn't give a single flying fuck about science here.
That's why our scientists live in either Europe or the USA.[/QUOTE]
Brasil leads the aeroplane market, and has spent a large amount of money on its own rockets.
[QUOTE=TorashVD;41037934]Well the only explanation I have would be that it is more expensive to transport stuff into Kazachstan, or Russia is just being random again.
Well for the next Space Race you should watch out for China or even Brazil, China has some advantages neither Russia nor America has, like the launch position and rather good economy.[/QUOTE]
US technology is waaaaay more advanced that Chinese or Brazil. Light Years more advanced.
Really, Brazil?
China....mmmmm, maaaaaybe, with a couple of cyber spying here and there, or trading stuff with the Russians.
"rather good economy" Again, China GDP will take a long while to equal US GDP, and hey, US economy is not that fucked up.
[QUOTE] Brasil leads the aeroplane market, and has spent a large amount of money on its own rockets.[/QUOTE]
Source? Yes, Brazil does produce a lot of planes, mainly trainers and cargo planes, and it has made satellites and rockets, but that doesn't mean its leader nor that it can compete with the US in a space race.
Well... Brazil is the leading producer of niobium and ferroniobium, but the government is so dumb it doesn't even make us any richer or advanced in space technology.
We only care about samba and football :(
[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;41039017]Well... Brazil is the leading producer of niobium and ferroniobium, but the government is so dumb it doesn't even make us any richer or advanced in space technology.
We only care about samba and football :([/QUOTE]
And bus fares.
[quote]Russia has a lease deal to use Baikonur until 2050 for an annual fee of $115 million. Amid tensions over fees payments, a Russian official said in February that Russia may suspend its lease for some facilities at Baikonur.
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/russia-continue-using-kazakhstans-space-center-062717976.html[/url]
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yahoo news but the general idea is there
russia's new launching facility is like how NASA doesn't launch everything from Kennedy space center, they launch from Vandenburg AFB, this is kinda the same idea, sept where they are launching from makes no sense as anything put up would have to waste alot of fuel to change inclination to match the space station or any equatorial orbit
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still got to hand it to russia, if we had to put up with launching under these conditions all the time our space program might seem a little backwards too
[QUOTE=TorashVD;41037934]Well the only explanation I have would be that it is more expensive to transport stuff into Kazachstan, or Russia is just being random again.
Well for the next Space Race you should watch out for China or even Brazil, China has some advantages neither Russia nor America has, like the launch position and rather good economy.[/QUOTE]
Uh, America has the funds for it. It's not like the government is extremely poor.
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;41038740]US technology is waaaaay more advanced that Chinese or Brazil. Light Years more advanced.
Really, Brazil?
China....mmmmm, maaaaaybe, with a couple of cyber spying here and there, or trading stuff with the Russians.
"rather good economy" Again, China GDP will take a long while to equal US GDP, and hey, US economy is not that fucked up.
Source? Yes, Brazil does produce a lot of planes, mainly trainers and cargo planes, and it has made satellites and rockets, but that doesn't mean its leader nor that it can compete with the US in a space race.[/QUOTE]
china has had 3 space stations up in the last 5 years along with the ability to launch their own astronauts. That fact alone makes china leading in terms of human space flight. Their actual plans to go to the moon within the decade also exemplify their status. They are a direct competitor without any help.
[QUOTE=DesolateGrun;41041372]china has had 3 space stations up in the last 5 years along with the ability to launch their own astronauts. That fact alone makes china leading in terms of human space flight. Their actual plans to go to the moon within the decade also exemplify their status. They are a direct competitor without any help.[/QUOTE]
Their stations use a Russian docking system, but the Chinese manned vehicles aren't the proper weight for a normal docking to work. So.. they have to manually smash the space ship into the station which greatly reduces the lifespan. Also the new Cosmodrome is going to be pretty close to North Korea and on the border of China. They want to turn the initial space city of 30,000 into a thriving scientific future city for the Russian far east, so this is probably going to be one of the coolest space centres to date.
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