Angela Merkel's CDU suffers German state election setbacks - Polidicks

[QUOTE]The party of German Chancellor Angela Merkel has suffered defeats in two of three states holding regional elections, exit polls suggest. They indicate the Christian Democrats lost support in Baden-Wuerttemberg and Rhineland Palatinate, but remain the largest party in Saxony-Anhalt. The anti-migrant AfD achieved gains in all three states, exit polls indicate. The elections were seen as a test of support for Chancellor Merkel's policy of accommodating refugees.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35796831"]Source[/URL]

[QUOTE]The anti-migrant AfD[/QUOTE] Can they please stop that now? If the AfD is anti-migrant, then so is Canada, because the system they use is the system they want to introduce. Also, the computer predictions (not sure if that's the correct term, some websites say so), for those who are interested: [thumb]http://abload.de/img/n4suy9.jpg[/thumb] Those are some massive changes. CDU is Merkel's party

For someone who doesn't know about German politics, what does this exactly mean for the CDU? Do they still have the same power as before?

[QUOTE=i_speel_good;49926698]For someone who doesn't know about German politics, what does this exactly mean for the CDU? Do they still have the same power as before?[/QUOTE] They don't have the same power anymore, they most likely won't make a cut with a just a dual-party coalition in most states and may have to involve another party to make the cut which derives them of [i]some[/i] leverage.

so... this AfD party want's to limit the immigration to high-risk refugees...?

Holy fucking shit So the reich thing in Sachsen is actually true!! Doesn't surprise me though. Last time I was there, I came across a PEGIDA march which occupied a whole plaza, and the anti PEGIDA were just only a couple of guys.

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;49926819]so... this AfD party want's to limit the immigration to high-risk refugees...?[/QUOTE] Sounds like a perfectly reasonable solution to me. Provide help to those that actually need it. Can't say I'm really surprised by the whole turn of events though. Merkel and her party handled the refugee crisis poorly and pissed a lot people off. Naturally it was going to come back and bite them in the ass at some point.

Hardly surprising to be honest, Merkel made a big mistake.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;49930392]They want to limit ALL refugees and dissolve the Euro-Zone and also block legalization of homosexual marriage.[/QUOTE] Thank you for answering... jeeze sounds like a super GOP party.

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;49926819]so... this AfD party want's to limit the immigration to high-risk refugees...?[/QUOTE] That's what it says on paper, but in reality AfD is a Nazi party. Their leader advocates shooting at refugees and they generally hate foreigners.

actually nvm-

[QUOTE=DrDevil;49930537]That's what it says on paper, but in reality AfD is a Nazi party. Their leader advocates shooting at refugees and they generally hate foreigners.[/QUOTE] Use of weapons to secure borders as A LAST RESORT =/= shoot at refugees

[QUOTE=DrDevil;49930537]That's what it says on paper, but in reality AfD is a Nazi party. Their leader advocates shooting at refugees and they generally hate foreigners.[/QUOTE] No, the NPD is a literal nazi party. The AfD is just conservative. The current party leader Frauke Petry is a moderate conservative. There is a right wing politcian called Björn Höcke, but he is part of the smaller far right part. He doesn't represent the whole party though. I love how every person or political party thar opposes Merkel's politics is a 'literal nazi'. Do you even know what a Nazi is? Also, the part where she says "to shoot refugees" is completely taken out of context. I'm not 100% sure, but I think there's been a politician from the green party who said something similar, but nobody cares because he's left leaning. [QUOTE=Trebgarta;49930392]They want to limit ALL refugees and dissolve the Euro-Zone and also block legalization of homosexual marriage.[/QUOTE] Also, Merkel herself said, that she thinks that marriage should only be between a woman and a man, but Merkel said it so it's fine right?

[QUOTE=Firewarrior;49930660]Use of weapons to secure borders as A LAST RESORT =/= shoot at refugees[/QUOTE] people that need to shot by police will be shot regardless of nationality or how close to the border they are. when has this ever not been the case? [QUOTE][URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/german-police-should-shoot-refugees-says-german-party-leader-a6844611.html"]"No policeman wants to fire on a refugee and I don't want that either." But "police must stop refugees entering German soil", she said.[/URL][/QUOTE] either she thinks there's some kind of double standard in favor of refugees when it comes to firearms deployment (of which there's no evidence), or she thinks an exception to the law should be made exclusively for refugees. what she said is either ignorant or an extremely callous disregard for both German and international law. [QUOTE]"No policeman would be ready to fire" at refugees, Joerg Radek said. "We have already seen that over the course of German history and we don't ever want to go down that road again."[/QUOTE] and considering the police seem pretty firmly against shooting refugees i think it's best to take the advice of the people who actually secure the border for a living, maybe they know what they're talking about

Isn't AfD just a closet Nazi party? Kind of disgusting of the Germans to go back to this right wing lunacy.

[QUOTE=Satansick;49930901]Isn't AfD just a closet Nazi party? Kind of disgusting of the Germans to go back to this right wing lunacy.[/QUOTE] Please tell me that's sarcasm.

i don't see what the problem is german police just have to make a very simple evaluation of whether or not the person they're trying to stop is a refugee (are they a brown person, do they look violent) and then based on that they can pull out guns and shoot them, but if they're not a refugee then they can't shoot them sounds like a flawless system to me!

[QUOTE=Enforcer99;49930904]Please tell me that's sarcasm.[/QUOTE] If you hold even moderate views prepare for godwins law to come into play against you.

[QUOTE=Enforcer99;49930904]Please tell me that's sarcasm.[/QUOTE] A right wing populist, national conservative party, reminds me a lot of the Nazi party.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;49930935]That is a bit extreme, they are more like UKIP.[/QUOTE] So more of a modern day equivalent.

[QUOTE=Satansick;49930936]A right wing populist, national conservative party, reminds me a lot of the Nazi party.[/QUOTE] Being conservative has nothing to do with being a Nazi. Look, I admit that there is a far right minority in the AfD. But the same goes for a big party, called "Die Linke" which means "The Left" and they hired a former RAF member. The RAF was a left extreme terror organization and translated it means "Red Army Fraction". But again, nobody gives a shit because there is no extremism in the left parties, right? There's even a "platform for communism" in the Left party. (The Left is the pink bar on the graph btw) But if there are conservatives that obviously is going to bring back the Third Reich.

It's a hyperbole.

[QUOTE=Satansick;49930980]It's a hyperbole.[/QUOTE] That's stupid because there are actual far-right parties and neo-Nazi movements there.

[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49930989]That's stupid because there are actual far-right parties and neo-Nazi movements there.[/QUOTE] It's not like those movements could ever organize a political party because Nazism is illegal in Germany.

[QUOTE=Satansick;49930901]Isn't AfD just a closet Nazi party? Kind of disgusting of the Germans to go back to this right wing lunacy.[/QUOTE] If it's anything I'd call it the equivalent of UKIP.

[QUOTE=Satansick;49931018]It's not like those movements could ever organize a political party because Nazism is illegal in Germany.[/QUOTE] Yes and this is exactly my point. It's stupid to call a center-right party "a closet Nazi party" when they're legally incapable of actually being Nazis and while actual Nazis exist off the political scene.

[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49931037]Yes and this is exactly my point. It's stupid to call a center-right party "a closet Nazi party" when they're legally incapable of actually being Nazis and while actual Nazis exist off the political scene.[/QUOTE] Wrong for multiple reasons. You do know about the NPD, right?

[QUOTE=Satansick;49931018]It's not like those movements could ever organize a political party because Nazism is illegal in Germany.[/QUOTE] Well, the NPD is at least in my definition, in contrary to the AfD, an actual Nazi party. The old party in the Third Reich was called NSDAP, Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (eng= National Socialist Workersparty) NPD means: Nationaldemocratic Party Germany. See a smiliarity there? It's not just the name, the NPD members are straight up racist and many of the current members have been to jail for commiting crimes, like beating up immigrants. Some of them are in Neo-Nazi groups. The Government is trying to ban the NPD party, but I think that's wrong, because the former members of the NPD will just go to conservative parties and drag them more towards the right wing direction. But to be clear, the AfD said, that they'll not accept former members of the NPD to join their party, so you have no reason to say that they are Nazis. Actually, the AfD is suing the NPD because the NPD used the AfD logo on their posters.

[QUOTE=uber.;49931051]Wrong for multiple reasons. You do know about the NPD, right?[/QUOTE] I'm not intimately familiar but I didn't think they were an actual Nazi-esque party, although I guess there very little difference at the far-right end of the spectrum. Still, this doesn't make AfD "a closet Nazi party." [editline]14th March 2016[/editline] Actually, doing just a little bit of reading shows that the NDP is a definite neo-Nazi party. I stand corrected.

[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49931063]I'm not intimately familiar but I didn't think they were an actual Nazi-esque party, although I guess there very little difference at the far-right end of the spectrum. Still, this doesn't make AfD "a closet Nazi party." [editline]14th March 2016[/editline] Actually, doing just a little bit of reading shows that the NDP is a definite neo-Nazi party. I stand corrected.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't call them a closet Nazi party but a lot of their voters stem from either disappointed CDU/CSU voters or from former NPD voters. They're not a nationalsocialist party, they're a nationalcapitalist party.