Britons who kill police officers to be given whole actual life sentences - Polidicks

[B]Criminals who kill police officers in England and Wales will face compulsory whole life sentences, Home Secretary Theresa May has announced.[/B] The current minimum sentence for a police murder is 30 years. [URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22534665[/URL] Hmm, why shouldn't you be given life regardless of who you killed?

Good.

I don't see how killing a police officer is worse. Should be the same for every murder regardless of profession, age, race, religion etc etc.

I suppose this is good but I don't really understand why cop killers get more time than regular murderers.

[QUOTE=Ziirxia;40653369]I don't see how killing a police officer is worse. Should be the same for every murder regardless of profession, age, race, religion etc etc.[/QUOTE] I agree, that guy who raped and killed his 12 year old step-granddaughter before hiding her body in the attic and claiming she was missing got 38 years, but it would be life if he had just killed a police officer

Good, hated those fuckers in AoE II

oh good more retributive "justice" that's exactly what we need we're going to end up like the US at this rate

Having any Life sentence seems like a ticket to overcrowded prisons. Do not end up like the US, rest of the world

[QUOTE=BrainDeath;40653424]oh good more retributive "justice" that's exactly what we need we're going to end up like the US at this rate[/QUOTE] You know that hurts.

[QUOTE=matt.ant;40653331] Hmm, why shouldn't you be given life regardless of who you killed?[/QUOTE] Because having a proper rehabilitation system would be better? You might not be going eye for an eye and executing the person with this, but you're still wasting an entire life. Say that a criminal is 20 years old. Are you sure that if given support they would still be the same person after ~60 years and couldn't be released?

"B-But muh EU LAW! Life sentences are illegal!!"

Why not for police and civilians?

[QUOTE=Ziirxia;40653369]I don't see how killing a police officer is worse. Should be the same for every murder regardless of profession, age, race, religion etc etc.[/QUOTE] I'd suggest that it is more of a preventative measure than a measure of justice. Police officers come into contact with more criminals than does your average citizen. As well as this, criminals that come into contact with officers have more reason to kill the officers, to get away with the crime for example. In my opinion this new rule just aims to deter any would-be cop killers with a more serious penalty.

[QUOTE=Sadim;40653661]"B-But muh EU LAW! Life sentences are illegal!!"[/QUOTE] What? When were life sentences made illegal?

[QUOTE=Janizaurd;40653561]Because having a proper rehabilitation system would be better? You might not be going eye for an eye and executing the person with this, but you're still wasting an entire life. Say that a criminal is 20 years old. Are you sure that if given support they would still be the same person after ~60 years and couldn't be released?[/QUOTE] I will say honestly that I agree that any murderer should get a life sentence. People can pull the rehabilitation card all they want but they knew the consequences of their actions and what they were doing at the time and therefore should be punished.

[QUOTE=Janizaurd;40653561]Because having a proper rehabilitation system would be better? You might not be going eye for an eye and executing the person with this, but you're still wasting an entire life. Say that a criminal is 20 years old. Are you sure that if given support they would still be the same person after ~60 years and couldn't be released?[/QUOTE] I didn't necessarily mean every murderer should be given life, I just meant why would you get life for killing a police man but not a post man.

the idea behind heavy sentences for police is that a murder against a police officer erodes community safety more than killing a regular person. "if you kill a baker you hurt him and his family, if you kill a constable you have hurt the entire city". but then again by that logic, you should punish police who murder people with life sentences, you should punish rapists with life sentences, and you should punish corrupt politicians with life sentences.

If this was passed then logically the occupation and status of the victim would have to be factor in punishment for all crimes, not just for police officers and murder. Which is dumb too.

[quote]Unveiling plans for a change in legislation at the Police Federation conference in Bournemouth, Mrs May announced the government proposal that the minimum term for killing an officer should be increased to life without parole.[/quote] We've been trying to change this for a long time in the US. [url]http://www.odmp.org/noparole[/url]

[QUOTE=Sadim;40653661]"B-But muh EU LAW! Life sentences are illegal!!"[/QUOTE] someone get the broom, /pol/ came in here again.

We all agree for once, cops lives are not any more valuable than the rest of us and the sentence should be the same whoever is murdered. I strongly oppose this bill. The right honourable OP speaks well.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40653874]the idea behind heavy sentences for police is that a murder against a police officer erodes community safety more than killing a regular person. "if you kill a baker you hurt him and his family, if you kill a constable you have hurt the entire city". but then again by that logic, you should punish police who murder people with life sentences, you should punish rapists with life sentences, and you should punish corrupt politicians with life sentences.[/QUOTE] that last one would be fine with me originally i thought it said that cops who kill civilians (outside the boundaries of the law) would receive life sentences and was mildly disappointed that it didn't

[QUOTE=Retardation;40654511]cops aren't magically better than the rest of society. the very fact that people want their deaths to be more retributive as if to say their death is more tragic than that of a hobo, a businessman or any other person is disgusting.[/QUOTE] So then why have separated/elevated charges when you kill a president? His life is no greater than the rest of societys' Cops face all the same charges as any other civilian when he discharges his weapon at another. He must go to court and be cleared by a jury of peers of any criminal charges. That is why they're on paid leave. Just because they're cleared of criminal charges does not mean that they dont face civil ones by the families.

Actually yes, what will the sentence be if a cop murders a civillian. Oh yes he gets suspended on full pay.

[QUOTE=BrainDeath;40653424]oh good more retributive "justice" that's exactly what we need we're going to end up like the US at this rate[/QUOTE] At least America doesn't have chavs :v:

[QUOTE=areolop;40654632]So then why have separated/elevated charges when you kill a president? His life is no greater than the rest of societys' Cops face all the same charges as any other civilian when he discharges his weapon at another. He must go to court and be cleared by a jury of peers of any criminal charges. That is why they're on paid leave. Just because they're cleared of criminal charges does not mean that they dont face civil ones by the families.[/QUOTE] in practice, a killer cop is rarely every convicted.

[QUOTE=jewdozer;40654684]Actually yes, what will the sentence be if a cop murders a civillian. Oh yes he gets suspended on full pay.[/QUOTE] If found unreasonable, oh, gee, I dunno, how does murder sound. [editline]15th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;40654843]in practice, a killer cop is rarely every convicted.[/QUOTE] Blame your neighbors. Its up to a jury to clear an officer of charges.

[QUOTE=areolop;40654848] Blame your neighbors. Its up to a jury to clear an officer of charges.[/QUOTE] actually blame the police department for covering up and tampering with investigations. not enough pressure is put on police to be held accountable for their crimes against the people.

I don't really see why the murder of a police officer is a more grievous crime than murdering someone else. I mean, should people who kill soldiers get a higher sentence? Or firefighters or paramedics, or doctors? Or [URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8410489.stm"]hospital cleaners[/URL]? Or should someone get a lesser sentence because they killed someone who had a criminal record, or were unemployed? What someone does for a living shouldn't affect how serious their murder was.

[QUOTE=Ziirxia;40653369]I don't see how killing a police officer is worse. Should be the same for every murder regardless of profession, age, race, religion etc etc.[/QUOTE] It's to prove a point. No matter how bad you fuck up, you don't kill cops if you want to have a shot at ever getting out of jail. That being said, I don't think it makes sense to say one murder is worse than another.