New York: "We have to get those deadly bullet casings off the streets." - Polidicks

[quote]Washington police are operating under orders to arrest tourists and other non-residents traveling with spent bullet or shotgun casings, a crime that carries a $1,000 fine, a year in jail and a criminal record, according to a new book about the city's confusing gun laws.[/quote] Source: [url]http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2535216[/url]

Well eh some of 'em can be used to reload ammo but a $1000 fine is pretty hefty for something inherently not dangerous

That's fucking retarded.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;42097425]Well eh some of 'em can be used to reload ammo but a $1000 fine is pretty hefty for something inherently not dangerous[/QUOTE] Yea, the $1000 is the bad part, not the year in jail or the criminal record. Honestly, $1000 is chump change when you are facing a guaranteed criminal record.

Make them hand them all over to the police sure, but prison? Camaaan

America confuses me.

[quote]"Empty shell casings are considered ammunition in Washington, D.C., so they are illegal to possess unless you are a resident and have a gun[/quote] its not all americans just the AK-confused lobbiests around DC who are crazy can someone tell me exactly how many people have died from shell casings? its not like they're gonna be able to fire them out of a gun, and reloading them takes expertise, time, and equipment, neither of which a criminal really cares about

So my shotgun casing on my keychain would warrant me a 1000 dollar fine? Remind me never to go back to DC

[QUOTE=Mr. Foster;42097447]Yea, the $1000 is the bad part, not the year in jail or the criminal record. Honestly, $1000 is chump change when you are facing a guaranteed criminal record.[/QUOTE] They're not going to throw anyone in jail based on the conviction, I would hope. Just to hold them until a proper proceeding is held. [editline]6th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Sableye;42097545]its not all americans just the AK-confused lobbiests around DC who are crazy can someone tell me exactly how many people have died from shell casings? its not like they're gonna be able to fire them out of a gun, and reloading them takes expertise, time, and equipment, neither of which a criminal really cares about[/QUOTE] Plus it's not like ammo is traceable, no serial numbers or anything.

welllllll [t]http://www.ammocoding.com/images/bullet1_home.jpg[/t] this argument pops up every now and then with gun-regulation nuts, basically we burn serial numbers onto every casing so we can trace what batch/store/person it came from

[QUOTE=Sableye;42097638]welllllll [t]http://www.ammocoding.com/images/bullet1_home.jpg[/t] this argument pops up every now and then with gun-regulation nuts, basically we burn serial numbers onto every casing so we can trace what batch/store/person it came from[/QUOTE] That's not very widespread, though. I could go to my local Walmart and pick up a case of 12GA shells and they would definitely not have serials. Good on you for actually doing it though.

oh also california =/= america (they really don't like guns there) [url]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/california-advances-bill-requiring-id-buy-ammunition-article-1.1306133[/url]

You know, a lot of guns have stamped firing pins that can be used to identify the gun by how it strikes the bullet. Honestly, though, if Bloomberg hadn't already jumped the proverbial shark, this would be somewhat surprising. At this point, though, he's pole vaulting over it in a tutu.

[QUOTE=Medevilae;42097528]D.C. =/= entirety of the U.S. and =/= NY[/QUOTE] Yea, sorry about the title. I was discussing New York with someone at work, and typed it without realizing. [editline]6th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Protocol7;42097558]They're not going to throw anyone in jail based on the conviction, I would hope. Just to hold them until a proper proceeding is held.[/QUOTE] You will be registered as a gun offender. You then have a criminal record, which can potentially ruin your life.

[IMG]http://www.hkpro.com/image/g11k2.jpg[/IMG] Suck it, bitches!

[QUOTE=Sableye;42097675]oh also california =/= america (they really don't like guns there) [url]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/california-advances-bill-requiring-id-buy-ammunition-article-1.1306133[/url][/QUOTE] They point out that Holmes amassed 6,000 rounds of ammo, and had a bill like theirs been effect they would have known this. How can they be so utterly ignorant? Holmes was able to fire approximately 70 rounds of ammunition, which caused 12 deaths and 70 injuries. Holmes was unstable, but he wasn't stupid. Had a law like this been in effect, he would have just purchased a smaller amount than 3,000 rounds to not attract attention to himself. [editline]6th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Riller;42097835][IMG]http://www.hkpro.com/image/g11k2.jpg[/IMG] Suck it, bitches![/QUOTE] Fuck your case-less ammo...

[QUOTE=Protocol7;42097659]That's not very widespread, though. I could go to my local Walmart and pick up a case of 12GA shells and they would definitely not have serials. Good on you for actually doing it though.[/QUOTE] He isn't saying he does it, he was proposing that 'we', as in USA, do it.

[QUOTE=Riller;42097835][IMG]http://www.hkpro.com/image/g11k2.jpg[/IMG] Suck it, bitches![/QUOTE] "Plus we fire the whole bullet, that's 65% more bullet per bullet"

[QUOTE=Sableye;42097545]its not all americans just the AK-confused lobbiests around DC who are crazy can someone tell me exactly how many people have died from shell casings? its not like they're gonna be able to fire them out of a gun, and reloading them takes expertise, time, and equipment, neither of which a criminal really cares about[/QUOTE] Only thing really dangerous about spent ammo or stored ammo is that it contains lead. It would make sense in terms of hunting and just throwing the ammo away on the ground. But having a few shells in plain sight is stupid in terms of criminal action.. For example when you go to the range is wise to have a set of range clothing and decontaminate after shooting. You also breath in a lot of shit due to firing the weapon. This is why in-door ranges are expensive and require A LOT of ventilation. You're suppose to wash hands, keep ammo stored in dry boxes so you don't have to worry to much about it. Etc. It isn't good to leave spent ammo while hunting due to the fact an animal can eat it and get lead poisoning. Then if another animal eats the tainted meat afterwards it can create more issues. Plus you don't want casings to fall or flow in to bodies of water because it can contaminate the water and ground sources eventually. Plus hunting is about nature conservation and it is just generally an asshole thing to do leave trash around. It would be a good law if it was about nature conservation but it isn't. Its prolly just another grab at making another shitty city money in terms of fines and legal fees. I doubt any police officers will enforce such a stupid law.

So what if you have real bullets? Do you not get arrested?

[QUOTE=Reshy;42098713]So what if you have real bullets? Do you not get arrested?[/QUOTE] no, then you get arrested for the exact same amount of time

[QUOTE=Reshy;42098713]So what if you have real bullets? Do you not get arrested?[/QUOTE] No, used brass is considered the same as live ammo under this law.

[QUOTE=Riller;42097835][IMG]http://www.hkpro.com/image/g11k2.jpg[/IMG] Suck it, bitches![/QUOTE] I don't think they sell grenades in the US.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;42099447]I don't think they sell grenades in the US.[/QUOTE] They do, it's a Title II DD.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;42099447]I don't think they sell grenades in the US.[/QUOTE] [t]http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/01/15/glock152way-6c80872c4f9592cdd10d8f7dd7780eca181c1f3b-s6-c30.jpg[/t] Moron...

How positively asinine. I have a 50BMG bullet + casing on my windowsill. It's spent, no powder, no primer, just the round and casing, and it's a souvenir from my late grandfather who flew tail gunner on a B24 in WW2. It's fucking stupid that I could get arrested and fucked over if I happened to be moving, travelling through DC, and a cop saw it. The law needs to be repealed.

[QUOTE=TestECull;42101994]How positively asinine. I have a 50BMG bullet + casing on my windowsill. It's spent, no powder, no primer, just the round and casing, and it's a souvenir from my late grandfather who flew tail gunner on a B24 in WW2. It's fucking stupid that I could get arrested and fucked over if I happened to be moving, travelling through DC, and a cop saw it. The law needs to be repealed.[/QUOTE] Yes. It does. Aside from the fact that our Constitution specifically grants citizens "The right to bear arms," it has to be asked if our congress can see the stupidity of banning anything even possibly related to bullets. Bullet casings are entirely benign. You can't shoot a casing. You can't stab someone with a casing. You might be able to hammer it into their temple, but that's a bit of a longshot. Of course, if our government's decided the Constitution isn't a legally-binding document, doesn't that mean they're not legally-bound to act as a government, considering the Constitution gives them that ability? All they've got, then, is perceived legitimacy... And that disappears far more quickly than the social contract.

$1000 and a criminal record for carrying a worthless piece of stamped brass? What the fuck.

[QUOTE=Sableye;42097675]oh also california =/= america (they really don't like guns there) [url]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/california-advances-bill-requiring-id-buy-ammunition-article-1.1306133[/url][/QUOTE] I'm from California, and actually most people I talk to lean the opposite way. Most really don't give a shit though.

[QUOTE=tier22;42106030]I'm from California, and actually most people I talk to lean the opposite way. Most really don't give a shit though.[/QUOTE] He means the Government. The California Government [I]hates[/I] guns, so do politicians from California (Feinstein).