• Saudi Arabia announces it will begin military operations against Shia rebels in Yemen; Saudi-Iranian
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[quote]Saudi Arabia and a coalition of regional allies have launched a military operation in Yemen against the Houthi rebels, who drove out the US-backed Yemeni president. Adel al-Jubair said on Wednesday that a coalition consisting of 10 countries, including the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC), had begun airstrikes at 7pm Eastern time. "The operation is to defend and support the legitimate government of Yemen and prevent the radical Houthi movement from taking over the country," Jubair told reporters in Washington. The airstrikes have targeted the presidential palace and the police and special forces headquarters in the capital, Sanaa, an Al Jazeera correspondent said. Separately, a statement issued in Riyadh in the name of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates - the GCC countries without Yemen's neighbour Oman - said they had been asked for help by President Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi's embattled government. Al-Jubeir said that for the moment the action was confined to airstrikes on various targets around Yemen, but that other military assets were being mobilised and that the coalition "would do whatever it takes". [img]http://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2015/3/24/5f70a8ae506d43f7892603ba07162e5e_18.jpg[/img][/quote] [url]http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2015/03/saudi-ambassador-announces-military-operation-yemen-150325234138956.html[/url]
[QUOTE]Saudi-Iranian proxy war has begun[/QUOTE] Not sure which country I despise more.
[QUOTE=Monkah;47396403]Not sure which country I despise more.[/QUOTE] imo the Iranians are actually looking towards reform and frankly haven't been nearly as bad as the Saudis.
[quote]Saudi-Iranian proxy war has begun[/quote] But it already existed. It just grew in scope.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];47396428']imo the Iranians are actually looking towards reform and frankly haven't been nearly as bad as the Saudis.[/QUOTE] Honestly, from an objective standpoint, I like the Iranians better. At least they are somewhat of a democracy, while Saudi Arabia is a backwards monarchy straight out of the ninth century. Saudi Arabia is a huge sponsor of Sunni terrorism all over the Middle East, and Saudi money funded many of Al Qaeda's operations. Yet, inexplicably, we in the US hold this extreme hatred of Iran based on nothing more than their nuclear energy program and that business with the hostages 35 years ago.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;47396470]Honestly, from an objective standpoint, I like the Iranians better. At least they are [B]somewhat of a democracy[/B], while Saudi Arabia is a backwards monarchy straight out of the ninth century. Saudi Arabia is a huge sponsor of Sunni terrorism all over the Middle East, and Saudi money funded many of Al Qaeda's operations. Yet, inexplicably, we in the US hold this extreme hatred of Iran based on nothing more than their nuclear energy program and that business with the hostages 35 years ago.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Leader_of_Iran[/url]
[QUOTE=elfbarf;47396495][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Leader_of_Iran[/url][/QUOTE] It's not purely democratic, but it's far more than Arabia. [editline]25th March 2015[/editline] Also, both countries sponsor terrorist groups so that point is rather moot for both sides.
[QUOTE=elfbarf;47396495][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Leader_of_Iran[/url][/QUOTE] Who is, in fact, elected by a group of people that are directly elected by the public. It is significantly more democratic than Saudi Arabia.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];47396428']imo the Iranians are actually looking towards reform and frankly haven't been nearly as bad as the Saudis.[/QUOTE] Ya except one isn't trying to build a nuclear program they're just secretly funding the Hamas space program, one has a circlejerk of a government while the other has a figurehead king, both are pretty bad but Saudi Arabia is a little better [editline]25th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;47396574]Who is, in fact, elected by a group of people that are directly elected by the public. It is significantly more democratic than Saudi Arabia.[/QUOTE] He's elected from a council of imams who are elected but the requirement to run pretty much bans almost everyone The presidents not much different, all candidates have to be vetted by the supreme leaders council and a commitie of appointees from that council as well as the legislature and get elected There's no way anyone who isn't officially sanctioned by the current government can hold power. Its not any better than the Saudis when the government picks who can stand for office, it defeats the purpose of a transition of power
[QUOTE=Sableye;47396741]Ya except one isn't trying to build a nuclear program they're just secretly funding the Hamas space program, one has a circlejerk of a government while the other has a figurehead king, both are pretty bad but Saudi Arabia is a little better [/QUOTE] Saudi Arabia is certainly not better in any way shape or form. Just because they're our ally does not mean they're not a shithole. Iran is miles ahead when it comes to any sort of western ideal.
At least in Iran, women are allowed to drive.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47396506] Also, both countries sponsor terrorist groups so that point is rather moot for both sides.[/QUOTE] Pretty much. I wouldn't mind both of them blowing each other up.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47396804]At least in Iran, women are allowed to drive.[/QUOTE] Why do we have to pick sides? Everyone just loves picking sides to root for on the internet.
[QUOTE=Aman;47396824]Why do we have to pick sides? Everyone just loves picking sides to root for on the internet.[/QUOTE] Well yeah, else the internet would be a pretty boring place.
Also Yemen has only been a state in its current form for ~25 years lol. Yemenis outside the few major cities are uber tribal and divided down to the local level. I don't know why westerners are so dead set on up-keeping borders as if that is the just thing to do. If things are breaking apart sometimes it's best to let them break apart. Although in this case I'm not sure the west has much involvement recently. The American's (or Saudi's depending on who you think is helping who) puppet regime has basically crumbled, I don't know if they've given up on them or what exactly at this point in time. Clearly the Saudi's care enough to try and patch together their status quo. I guess as long as there is chess to be played it will be played, people living there be damned.
[QUOTE=Aman;47396834]Also Yemen has only been a state in its current form for ~25 years lol. Yemenis outside the few major cities are uber tribal and divided down to the local level. I don't know why westerners are so dead set on up-keeping borders as if that is the just thing to do. If things are breaking apart sometimes it's best to let them break apart. I guess as long as there is chess to be played it will be played, people living there be damned.[/QUOTE] Westerners aren't doing anything about this, though? The most America has interested in with Yemen is thwarting AQP, Al Qaeda in Peninsula. But besides that, no country for the most part really [I]wants[/I] to have itself break apart, even if it really would help solve a lot of social and political issues. And regarding that in particular with Yemen, a Shia break-away state would be literally surrounded by Sunni nations hostile to it, which would not be a pleasant existence, even with Iran's help.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47396862]Westerners aren't doing anything about this, though? The most America has interested in with Yemen is thwarting AQP, Al Qaeda in Peninsula. But besides that, no country for the most part really [I]wants[/I] to have itself break apart, even if it really would help solve a lot of social and political issues. And regarding that in particular with Yemen, a Shia break-away state would be literally surrounded by Sunni nations hostile to it, which would not be a pleasant existence, even with Iran's help.[/QUOTE] I edit my posts incessantly as I go along. But yeah as always the middle east is a cluster fuck. I'm usually pro balkanization cause that's one of the few feasible solutions for some parts of the middle east. What comes after balkanization can either go good or bad but what can you do, there isn't easy solutions over there.
This is just the beginning. 30 aircraft from the UAE are now being deployed. Egypt has pledged military support, etc. Airstrikes are still ongoing if I recall. [url]http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2015/03/26/Saudi-Arabia-30-UAE-fighter-jets-deployed-for-Yemen-campaign-.html[/url]
At least there's some discourse in Iran that points towards women's rights in the future. But I hope we don't get our boots stuck in this one any time soon.
I just got woke up at bloody 6:30 morning from all my family members that there's war around, the news is buzzing as like mad and all the school has been closed down. Am grabbing as much fuel for the generator and as much Water supplies as I can. This is going to be hell.
[QUOTE=.Greninja;47397338]I just got woke up at bloody 6:30 morning from all my family members that there's war around, the news is buzzing as like mad and all the school has been closed down. Am grabbing as much fuel for the generator and as much Water supplies as I can. This is going to be hell.[/QUOTE] What area of Yemen do you live in?
[QUOTE=ryokenshin;47397391]What area of Yemen do you live in?[/QUOTE] As I mentioned at the last Thread am currently in Sanaa, here's a lovely story, the whole late night I been hearing things and I shake it off as Rain, but it turns out it was just the sounds of 150 aircrafts.
[QUOTE=.Greninja;47397470]As I mentioned at the last Thread am currently in Sanaa, here's a lovely story, the whole late night I been hearing things and I shake it off as Rain, but it turns out it was just the sounds of 150 aircrafts.[/QUOTE] Stay safe out there.
holy shit. i'm sure i'm not the only one who wishes you the best of luck and safety for the days ahead. stay safe dude.
People should think of this as more or less a civil war between the Sunni's and the Shiites in Yemen. AQ has been there for years.
The situation over there just keeps getting worse and worse, doesn't it?
Saudia Arabia actually doing something for once?
[QUOTE=.Greninja;47397470]As I mentioned at the last Thread am currently in Sanaa, here's a lovely story, the whole late night I been hearing things and I shake it off as Rain, but it turns out it was just the sounds of 150 aircrafts.[/QUOTE] According to this article, Saudi Arabia bombed the ever loving shit out of that area, be safe man. [url]http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2015/03/saudi-ambassador-announces-military-operation-yemen-150325234138956.html[/url] Also, Jordan has pledged support as well.
It's a bit weird for people to "compare" sides in situation like this. Internal policy of a country does not nessesary mirrors their goals with unstable region outside of said country. One can seek expansion of influence through politically welcomed moves into region, while other may be hard hitting with minimum presence for reason of solely securing their own stability in fastest way possible. I'd say time of comparing should continue a bit later, after each faction leaves their own scar on Yemen, exposing their methods a bit more.
All we need are for the Houthi's to be given Russian passports. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Thread shitting/Why reply? / Last Warning" - Gurant))[/highlight]
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