Microsoft will in fact auto-download and start the Windows 10 installer on Win7/8.1 systems beginnin
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[url]http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/10/windows-10-will-be-made-an-automatic-recommended-update-early-next-year/[/url]
[quote=Peter Bright/Ars Technica]The Windows 10 free upgrade program has so far concentrated on those Windows 7 and 8 users who reserved their copy in the weeks leading up to the operating system's release. Over the coming months, Microsoft will start to spread the operating system to a wider audience. The Windows 10 upgrade will soon be posted as an "Optional Update" in Windows Update, advertising it to anyone who examines that list of updates.
Then, early next year, it will be categorized as a "Recommended Update." This is significant, because it means that systems that are configured to download and install recommended updates—which for most people is the safest option—will automatically fetch the upgrade and start its installer. The installer will still require human intervention to actually complete—you won't wake up to find your PC with a different operating system—but Windows users will no longer need to actively seek the upgrade.
This mirrors an accidental change that Microsoft did earlier this month. The Windows 10 upgrade was showing up for some people as a recommended update and the installer started automatically.[/quote]
Reminder: Windows' automatic updates are for chumps. Woody Leonhard manages [url=http://www.askwoody.com/]AskWoody.com[/url], which is a pretty good go/no-go indicator for whether things will screw over or not.
Seems like they're gonna get to 1b users one way or another.
I love windows 10. Its a good os. Why give it bad press doing stuff like this?
[QUOTE=da space core;49011006]I love windows 10. Its a good os. Why give it bad press doing stuff like this?[/QUOTE]
It's an AMAZING os but personally I feel it a bit absurd to do this, what's truly the point? aside from dodging the XP effect of having a dead OS continue to be used by thousands.
[QUOTE=J!NX;49011018]aside from dodging the XP effect of having a dead OS continue to be used by thousands.[/QUOTE]
this is the point, and it's a valid enough reason to do it
[QUOTE=NixNax123;49011023]this is the point, and it's a valid enough reason to do it[/QUOTE]
I suppose that's fair enough
even today I see the XP effect. Just the other day I noticed a cash register at a store was using XP, I remember my dentists office running it, god knows how many factories still run it.
XP is [B]EVERYWHERE[/B].
[QUOTE=da space core;49011006]I love windows 10. Its a good os. Why give it bad press doing stuff like this?[/QUOTE]
Because you have metered users that are going to get their bill in the mail and see overages simply because their OS decided to feed a whole new OS to them over the internet.
If everything was like Europe where there's usually no data cap bullshit this wouldn't be as criticised, but Europe =/= all of the world.
[editline]29th October 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=NixNax123;49011023]this is the point, and it's a valid enough reason to do it[/QUOTE]
Valid in 2019? Sure, I suppose since by then Win7 would have only a year left of support. But in 2016, when it still has a solid 3 years of support? And Win8.1 having until 2023?
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;49011031]Because you have metered users that are going to get their bill in the mail and see overages simply because their OS decided to feed a whole new OS to them over the internet.
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why would a user with a data cap have automatic updates on?
Yeah, in the end this is also good for the market as a whole. Consumer choice is great, but honestly when it comes to your OS it's generally a non-choice. People run what they run and have run since they bought their computer. Still, a lot of grief will come from this solution, and installs can fuck up after all.
This just in: Windows automatically installing updates for those with automatic updates turned on.
People are outraged.
[QUOTE=J!NX;49011029]I suppose that's fair enough
even today I see the XP effect. Just the other day I noticed a cash register at a store was using XP, I remember my dentists office running it, god knows how many factories still run it.
XP is [B]EVERYWHERE[/B].[/QUOTE]
Bank Machines run XP.
My bus-stops digital time reader things and at the train station also use XP
[QUOTE=J!NX;49011029]I suppose that's fair enough
even today I see the XP effect. Just the other day I noticed a cash register at a store was using XP, I remember my dentists office running it, god knows how many factories still run it.
XP is [B]EVERYWHERE[/B].[/QUOTE]
It wouldn't really hurt if Vista onward actually had compatability with half of what was designed to be usable by Win95 through XP.
A lot of the reluctance to leave is not only because the OS is already fine for what they need, but because several programs (including games) straight up don't function properly on newer OSes.
[QUOTE=Medevila;49011050]vaccinations are a good analogy for this scenario, with WinXP machines representing unvaccinated individuals...[/QUOTE]
Sad thing is, people on XP aren't getting upgraded, so Microsoft is actually only covering people who are already getting security updates. People on XP probably wouldn't have an enjoyable experience on 10 either way, but it kinda makes it harder for Microsoft to present this as pure altruism.
[QUOTE=NixNax123;49011049]why would a user with a data cap have automatic updates on?[/QUOTE]
Because it's the default setting unless you've explicitly marked your connection as metered in 10 (which is apparently also a way to block automatic updates). Previous versions of Windows didn't have any sort of metered/unmetered control, so for the majority of data capped people still likely on 7, they're going to get [I]fucked[/I].
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;49011072]Because it's the default setting unless you've explicitly marked your connection as metered in 10 (which is apparently also a way to block automatic updates). Previous versions of Windows didn't have any sort of metered/unmetered control, so for the majority of data capped people still likely on 7, they're going to get [I]fucked[/I].[/QUOTE]
if you're on a data cap and you don't disable automatic updates, that is entirely your fault.
it's like if you were lactose intolerant and your school gave you milk, and then you complained to the school about trying to poison you when you could've just said you were lactose intolerant in the first place
it's the default setting because most people don't have data caps.
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;49011095]It's the default setting because it keeps people somewhat safer and with full bank accounts.[/QUOTE]
that too (mainly), but i was trying to relate it to his point
[QUOTE=NixNax123;49011049]why would a user with a data cap have automatic updates on?[/QUOTE]
because most updates aren't >4 GB
[QUOTE=ShaunOfTheLive;49011105]because most updates aren't >4 GB[/QUOTE]
with the frequency of windows updates, it can easily reach that through bulk.
you can't blame windows because some of their users cant use their heads tbh
[editline]29th October 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;49011072]Because it's the default setting unless you've explicitly marked your connection as metered in 10 (which is apparently also a way to block automatic updates). Previous versions of Windows didn't have any sort of metered/unmetered control, so for the majority of data capped people still likely on 7, they're going to get [I]fucked[/I].[/QUOTE]
i definitely remember shit being mentioned about metered connections quite a bit on older versions of windows?
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;49011177]i definitely remember shit being mentioned about metered connections quite a bit on older versions of windows?[/QUOTE]
If anything it sure as shit wouldn't involve a toggle to label the connection as such so data is conserved.
[QUOTE=The Duke;49011061]It wouldn't really hurt if Vista onward actually had compatability with half of what was designed to be usable by Win95 through XP.
A lot of the reluctance to leave is not only because the OS is already fine for what they need, but because several programs (including games) straight up don't function properly on newer OSes.[/QUOTE]
The problem with that is that most programs on XP were designed on and, with in mind, a 32 bit OS. Most of what Vista and onward is, is 64 bit.
Win 10 is fine, I run it on my laptop no problemo. My issue is that for my main Desktop, I wouldn't use it. I play some older games, some of which have compatibility issues with Win 7 as is, and which, according to my friends, are unplayable on Win 10. Win 7 is serving me fine for now and 10 will lose functionality for some of my shit.
I'd lose files if this were to happen, right?
Windows 10 tries to update every time I restart but it fails every time, so I guess I'll be stuck on v1 forever
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;49011203]If anything it sure as shit wouldn't involve a toggle to label the connection as such so data is conserved.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.guidingtech.com/13405/windows-8-metered-connection-airplane-mode/"]A metered connection toggle made its way into Windows in 8[/URL].
I'll admit it's a bad thing for people still running Windows 7, but the majority of people will only have themselves to blame. Very few clueless consumers should've been able to get their hands on Win7 since Win8's release, and the ones that have been running it for a long time should've gotten burnt and learned their lesson after so much time.
Honestly, an user with a data cap that gets broken by 4GB will already have prepared against all sorts of automatic downloads. Otherwise they'd break it every month by accident.
Gonna stay on 7 purely out of spite until something happens that requires my move on, just like I did with XP.
I understand why Windows is doing what it's doing, but they got forceful to the point of creepy. It was around the time it tried to stealth-install itself one night that I had to abandon automatic updates and a couple other settings all together because fuck you. That was after the borderline malware-esq update that would nag you to to upgrade to 10 and keep a picture of itself in the task bar icons.
Even if you want to go as far as to compare this to something like a vaccine, it's still to the point where instead of someone going "hey, they have free flu shots up at this store you really should nab one", and instead, a nurse trying to sneak through your window with a needle and give you a shot in your sleep. :v:
The only time I find it acceptable to force install a new OS is when support ends for whatever OS you are on. Until then I should be able to choose if I want to stay on a old OS or go to the new one.
[QUOTE=J!NX;49011029]I suppose that's fair enough
even today I see the XP effect. Just the other day I noticed a cash register at a store was using XP, I remember my dentists office running it, god knows how many factories still run it.
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Factories are unlikely to change their software unless there is an extensive renovation, so there's probably hundreds of factories in the US still running MS-DOS.
Whenever I tried to install Win 10, it would get to the "installing drivers" stage and then the screen would go black and the PC would shut itself off.
Would it be recommended to uncheck auto-updates so I don't lose access to my PC forever? Or should I bite the bullet and see if it works this time?
So I can be lazy and windows will update by itself for me? nice
Alternate title: Microsoft deems Windows 10 upgrade a recommended upgrade, users outraged that Win10 will download and install despite their settings knowingly allowing it
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