• A massive and illegal geoengineering project has been detected off Canada’s west coast.
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[quote] [quote] [IMG]http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/182bw18lm32d0jpg/original.jpg[/IMG] ============================ Yellow and brown colours show relatively high concentrations of chlorophyll in August 2012, after iron sulphate was dumped into the Pacific Ocean as part of the geoengineering scheme. Photograph: Giovanni/Goddard Earth Sciences Data and Information Services Center/NASA. [/quote] A private company backed by a controversial U.S. businessman has unilaterally conducted the world's most significant geoengineering project to date. Russ George, in conjunction with a First Nations village on Haida Gwaii, has dumped around [B]100 tonnes of iron sulphate into the Pacific Ocean in a technique known as ocean fertilization.[/B] The experiment, which is in violation of two United Nations moratoria, has outraged environmental, legal, and civic groups. The iron sulphate was dumped into the Pacific back in July, but recent satellite images are now confirming its effects — an artificial plankton bloom that's 10,000 square kilometers (6,214 square miles) in size. The intention of the project is for the plankton to absorb carbon dioxide and then sink to the bottom of the ocean. George is hoping to cash in on lucrative carbon credits. To make the project happen, George convinced the local council of an indigenous village to establish the Haida Salmon Restoration Corporation. He told them that the project would restore salmon populations, leading the First Nations people to channel more than $1m of its own money into the project. Critics say it is a "blatant violation" of United Nations rules, and the matter is currently under investigation by Environment Canada. Experts contend that the project violates thee UN's convention on biological diversity (CBD) and London convention on the dumping of wastes at sea, which both prohibit for-profit ocean fertilisation activities. According to the Guardian, the news publication that broke the story, George claims that the two moratoria are a "mythology" and do not apply to his project. The Guardian reports: [quote] [I]George is the former chief executive of Planktos Inc, whose previous failed efforts to conduct large-scale commercial dumps near the Galapagos and Canary Islands led to his vessels being barred from ports by the Spanish and Ecuadorean governments. The US Environmental Protection Agency warned him that flying a US flag for his Galapagos project would violate US laws, and his activities are credited in part to the passing of international moratoria at the United Nations limiting ocean fertilisation experiments[/I] [I]Scientists are debating whether iron fertilisation can lock carbon into the deep ocean over the long term, and have raised concerns that it can irreparably harm ocean ecosystems, produce toxic tides and lifeless waters, and worsen ocean acidification and global warming.[/I] [I]"It is difficult if not impossible to detect and describe important effects that we know might occur months or years later," said John Cullen , an oceanographer at Dalhousie University. "Some possible effects, such as deep-water oxygen depletion and alteration of distant food webs, should rule out ocean manipulation. History is full of examples of ecological manipulations that backfired."[/I] [I]George says his team of unidentified scientists has been monitoring the results of the biggest ever geoengineering experiment with equipment loaned from US agencies like NASA and the National Ocean and Atmospheric Administration. He told the Guardian that it is the "most substantial ocean restoration project in history," and has collected a "greater density and depth of scientific data than ever before".[/I] [I]"We've gathered data targeting all the possible fears that have been raised [about ocean fertilisation]," George said. "And the news is good news, all around, for the planet."[/I] [/quote] UN officials will be meeting in Hyderabad, India, later this week to discuss the issue, including possible upgrades to enforcement policies. And as Silvia Ribeiro of the watchdog ETC Group has noted, "If rogue geoengineer Russ George really has misled this indigenous community, and dumped iron into their waters, we hope to see swift legal response to his behavior and strong action taken to the heights of the Canadian and US governments." Read more. ============================== Source: [url]http://io9.com/5952101/a-massive-and-illegal-geoengineering-project-has-been-detected-off-canadas-west-coast[/url] [/quote]
[del]They better be sorry[/del] [quote]100 tonnes of iron sulphate[/quote] That's a lot of iron sulphate
Rogue geoengineer super-villain.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38058827]Rogue geoengineer super-villain.[/QUOTE] and he would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for the meddling UN convention on biological diversity
[quote] The iron sulphate was dumped into the Pacific back in July, but recent satellite images are now confirming its effects — an artificial plankton bloom that's 10,000 square kilometers (6,214 square miles) in size. The intention of the project is for the plankton to absorb carbon dioxide and then sink to the bottom of the ocean. [B]George is hoping to cash in on lucrative carbon credits.[/B][/quote] what a nice motive
That's fucking retarded, he probably fucked up the pacific ocean and destroyed the salmon runs he was claiming he could restore, I'm no expert but I'm fairly sure the plankton and algea can fuck with the oxygen levels and create dead zones [url]http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/deadzone.html[/url]
[QUOTE=zakedodead;38058887] I'm fairly sure the plankton and algea can fuck with the oxygen levels and create dead zones[/QUOTE] Damn plankton and algae stealing our 4G LTE coverage
Watch as he buys his way the fuck out of it :P
You can't just mess with an ecosystem like this. It's not right.
Fuck the UN, ocean seeding is a good thing.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;38059196]Fuck the UN, ocean seeding is a good thing.[/QUOTE] it's scientifically undetermined if it helps or hurts more you shouldn't go dump 100 tonnes of something into the water until you're pretty damn sure of what's gonna happen
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;38059196]Fuck the UN, ocean seeding is a good thing.[/QUOTE]How much about ocean seeding do you know? because i dont know shit about it
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;38059196]Fuck the UN, ocean seeding is a good thing.[/QUOTE] whoa guys watch out. ocean seeding expert here.
That part of the BC coast is full of native Americans dependent on the marine life. And also endangered species like the kermode bear. They're possibly partaking in ruining one of the most beautiful and last untarnished places on the planet, the long-term effects seem evident.
[QUOTE]George is hoping to cash in on lucrative carbon credits.[/QUOTE] Bad ideas as a result of bad laws. [editline]16th October 2012[/editline] Wait, didn't the carbon trade market get shut down like 2 years ago after everyone realized it was bogus?
who gives a fuck about fish or native americans, this is about preventing climate change besides we've been dumping toxic shit all over the place for centuries but as soon as we start doing it in a controlled way to reverse the damage people are all "you am play gods!"
you'll notice that his plan wasn't actually to reduce climate change he just wanted the assloads of carbon credits
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;38060018]who gives a fuck about fish or native americans, this is about preventing climate change besides we've been dumping toxic shit all over the place for centuries but as soon as we start doing it in a controlled way to reverse the damage people are all "you am play gods!"[/QUOTE] fish dying off will disrupt ecosystems which will likely reduce populations of fish that we eat until all the meat we eat is in vitro meat, we have to watch out for killing animals and you're right, we've dumped toxic shit everywhere for centuries and now we're trying to stop doing that and doing stuff to reverse he effect but you run into indirect/side effects that may be worse than the intended effect, like solar panels that use more energy to manufacture than they will collect in their entire life stopping climate change may be a priority, but it's far from the ONLY priority
IIRC the last time someone tried this it backfired and a massive swarm of crabs ate all the plankton and vanished into the deeps of the ocean.
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;38060089]you'll notice that his plan wasn't actually to reduce climate change he just wanted the assloads of carbon credits[/QUOTE] carbon credits was a system designed to entice people into reducing climate change
Woah, so many experts in this thread.
Oh wow, that's happening right beside where I live. I'm in a red area in a fishing town. Plankton blooms are bad here especially if it's red. Red plankton contain tiny amounts of poison and if they do a massive bloom then die all at once all of them sink to the bottom of the ocean with their toxins which wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for all those sea bottom dwellers that ate them. Clams can eat enough red plankton to become toxic and give food poisoning. Anything that then eats those clams or enough red plankton will also become poisoned. That's why when we get red tide we don't eat any of those anymore.
Quick, someone get OvB in here to tell us the truth
Well that's pretty terrible. I'm not against geoengineering but such efforts should be undertaken with due caution and review from both those performing the project and outside sources.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;38060018]who gives a fuck about fish or native americans, this is about preventing climate change besides we've been dumping toxic shit all over the place for centuries but as soon as we start doing it in a controlled way to reverse the damage people are all "you am play gods!"[/QUOTE] And what if it doesn't work and only ends up causing more problems? Then all you've done is fucked shit up more because you were to fucking eager to just wait and actually see if something works before doing it.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;38060018]who gives a fuck about fish or native americans, this is about preventing climate change besides we've been dumping toxic shit all over the place for centuries but as soon as we start doing it in a controlled way to reverse the damage people are all "you am play gods!"[/QUOTE] There are so many instances throughout history where people have tried large scale projects like this with nothing but good intentions which turned out horribly. It's not that such things shouldn't be done, but that they should be done through the proper channels.
At least now we can sit back and see what happens, if it turns out more beneficial than damaging then maybe it's something to consider in the future seeing as it's already happened.
So he was trying to speed up global warming? This sounds like something a super villain would do.
[QUOTE=mac338;38059402]That part of the BC coast is full of native Americans dependent on the marine life. And also endangered species like the kermode bear. They're possibly partaking in ruining one of the most beautiful and [b]last untarnished places[/b] on the planet, the long-term effects seem evident.[/QUOTE] Oh boy, here we go again with this bullshit. [editline]16th October 2012[/editline] How did nobody notice someone dumping 100 tons of this shit into the ocean?
[QUOTE=Fangz;38060941]So he was trying to speed up global warming? This sounds like something a super villain would do.[/QUOTE] Technically it can reduce the CO2 in the air, which could reduce global warming, but at the same time having that in the water can create higher concentrations of acid, so it's not exactly a end all solution. It's a really short sighted action actually.
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