• Google Cars 1 million miles with 0 accidents upsets media.
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[url]http://www.skepticink.com/incredulous/2015/05/14/googlecars-1-million-miles-with-0-accidents-upsets-media/[/url] [QUOTE]According to Urmson, in the last six years Google’s self driving cars have driven themselves at least a million miles. There have been twelve accidents, but some occurred when a human was driving (humans drove the cars an additional 700,000 miles). All were minor incidents with no injuries and most of these were other drivers hitting or rear-ending the Google car. This sounds like great news that we should be excited to hear. Zero accidents, injuries, or damage has been caused by er, auto-autos over the course of a million miles and a half dozen years. Beats my record. [I]Self-driving cars can’t avoid accidents on California Roads,[/I] [URL="http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DRIVERLESS_CARS_ACCIDENTS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT"]Associated Press[/URL] [I]Google Blames Humans for Accidents Involving Its Self-Driving Cars[/I], [URL="http://time.com/3854528/google-self-driving-cars-accidents/"]Time[/URL] [I]Google’s self-driving cars have been getting in accidents in California[/I], [URL="http://www.businessinsider.com/googles-self-driving-cars-have-been-getting-in-accidents-in-california-2015-5"]Business Insider[/URL] [I]Google’s driverless cars have been involved in three car accidents[/I], [URL="http://qz.com/402732/googles-driverless-cars-have-been-involved-in-three-car-accidents/"]qz.com[/URL] Google’s self-driving cars are getting into accidents, [URL="http://www.marketwatch.com/story/googles-self-driving-cars-are-getting-into-accidents-2015-05-11"]MarketWatch[/URL] [I]Google’s self-driving cars involved in 11 accidents, director says[/I], [URL="http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/12/us-google-autos-accidents-idUSKBN0NX04I20150512"]Reuters[/URL] [/QUOTE] Source may be a bit bloggy, but the titles set my mainstream media are there.
Makes you wonder how many accidents they avoided by having the driver take over from the computer at a moment's notice I'm not saying this to diss self-driving cars, but a faultless record after a million miles is a huge thing. I haven't read anywhere about how many times a driver has had to override the computer because I don't think Google has published that.
Its hard to have a accident at the slow speed they drive :v:
this is just the beginning, next the google cars will take our jobs
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;47741865]this is just the beginning, next the google cars will take our jobs[/QUOTE] And it will probably bring on a lot more jobs.
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;47741865]this is just the beginning, next the google cars will take our jobs[/QUOTE] ARGH, I bet they'll vote democrat, too [img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-argh.gif[/img]
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[QUOTE=Antdawg;47741848]Makes you wonder how many accidents they avoided by having the driver take over from the computer at a moment's notice[/QUOTE] Probably 0 due to human reaction time is usually around 1/4 second, compare to a computers reaction time in the milli or micro seconds.
[QUOTE=deadoon;47741919]Probably 0 due to human reaction time is usually around 1/4 second, compare to a computers reaction time in the milli or micro seconds.[/QUOTE] Computers aren't flawless. I mean it's very possible it's 0 but we don't know because Google hasn't said anything about it as far as I know. After all, 700,000 miles have been done in these cars where the driver was in control, who knows why exactly for each of those miles.
[QUOTE=smidge146;47741886]And it will probably bring on a lot more jobs.[/QUOTE] I don't think so, the transport industry is huge. When automated driving can replace truck drivers and such we'll find ourselves with a massive amount of people without jobs. While google cars might create jobs, more will most probably disappear.
[QUOTE=momoiro;47741936]I don't think so, the transport industry is huge. When automated driving can replace truck drivers and such we'll find ourselves with a massive amount of people without jobs. While google cars might create jobs, more will most probably disappear.[/QUOTE] Don't forget the Taxi drivers, they will be the first ones.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;47741934]Computers aren't flawless. I mean it's very possible it's 0 but we don't know because Google hasn't said anything about it as far as I know.[/QUOTE] Computers may not be flawless, but their system is a learning AI type computer. The more situations where it detects a near accident or actual one, the better it will be at avoiding them. Also, there is nothing you can do about someone being a dumbass and rear ending you usually. If a person takes over for the car, that will mean that there is now an increased delay between something happening and when it is reacted to. The current AI is not perfect(there is always some sort of compromise when dealing with any system) and is a designed to be a bit overly cautious, which means that it will take longer to get places than an aggressive driver(a flaw technically, but also a compromise of design), yet will get in less accidents.
[QUOTE=momoiro;47741936]I don't think so, the transport industry is huge. When automated driving can replace truck drivers and such we'll find ourselves with a massive amount of people without jobs. While google cars might create jobs, more will most probably disappear.[/QUOTE] Truck drivers have to sign off of each delivery they make at the place they make the delivery. Businesses might not be prepared for the risk of fraud if trucks go driverless.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;47741973]Truck drivers have to sign off of each delivery they make at the place they make the delivery. Businesses might not be prepared for the risk of fraud if trucks go driverless.[/QUOTE] Have an intern or other worker sleeping in the cab, it would be cheaper than a proper driver and would be a good "cooldown" position for other workers if their work ethic is diminishing, but are still valuable position employees.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;47741934]Computers aren't flawless. I mean it's very possible it's 0 but we don't know because Google hasn't said anything about it as far as I know. After all, 700,000 miles have been done in these cars where the driver was in control, who knows why exactly for each of those miles.[/QUOTE] It's probably not legal for them to drive automatically everywhere, the cars still need to get to their destination though.
[QUOTE=Neddy;47741853]Its hard to have a accident at the slow speed they drive :v:[/QUOTE] I know this is meant as a joke (I think anyway) but according to Tesla's CEO the hard part about autonomous driving is at lower speeds. Watch this video from 7 min onwards, but the whole video is an interesting watch. [video=youtube;TDm6Snkle70]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDm6Snkle70[/video]
[QUOTE=Antdawg;47741934]Computers aren't flawless. I mean it's very possible it's 0 but we don't know because Google hasn't said anything about it as far as I know. After all, 700,000 miles have been done in these cars where the driver was in control, who knows why exactly for each of those miles.[/QUOTE] Humans aren't flawless either you know. In fact, there are probably many more things that can disrupt our driving than a machine's.
Google never said its cars didn't get into accidents, only that the computer didn't cause it. Regardless its the beginning of one of the biggest problems of these, liability in self driving cars
[QUOTE=momoiro;47741936]I don't think so, the transport industry is huge. When automated driving can replace truck drivers and such we'll find ourselves with a massive amount of people without jobs. While google cars might create jobs, more will most probably disappear.[/QUOTE] This is also how economies transform. When less people have to do menial tasks like driving people or goods around, there will be more people/labour to do activities that are more beneficial/productive. Until eventually computers have replaced pretty much everyone's jobs. Then, it would be time to look into a universal basic income imo. Edit: also I'm loving how the titles of those news articles imply that these driver less cars are dangerous. Just reminds me how there will be resistance to any society-wide change.
[QUOTE=momoiro;47741936]I don't think so, the transport industry is huge. When automated driving can replace truck drivers and such we'll find ourselves with a massive amount of people without jobs. While google cars might create jobs, more will most probably disappear.[/QUOTE] Well automated and wireless driven trucks are becoming more common in mine sites.
[video=youtube;pFWlIfIZkCA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFWlIfIZkCA[/video] Locomotive industry will probably be all over this.
This is both amazing and scary
[QUOTE=Adlertag1940;47742202][video=youtube;pFWlIfIZkCA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFWlIfIZkCA[/video] Locomotive industry will probably be all over this.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ALcdPsGaM4[/media]
[QUOTE=Antdawg;47741848]Makes you wonder how many accidents they avoided by having the driver take over from the computer at a moment's notice I'm not saying this to diss self-driving cars, but a faultless record after a million miles is a huge thing. I haven't read anywhere about how many times a driver has had to override the computer because I don't think Google has published that.[/QUOTE] Probably because it's fucking 0
[QUOTE=Neddy;47741853]Its hard to have a accident at the slow speed they drive :v:[/QUOTE] It they move so slowly the drivers don't have time to react.
Don't know why they'd be upset, eventually they won't have to pay drivers to deliver goods in trucks.
[QUOTE=Megadave;47742347]Don't know why they'd be upset, eventually they won't have to pay drivers to deliver goods in trucks.[/QUOTE] So the truck drivers' who they stop paying shouldn't be upset?
[QUOTE=Antdawg;47741848]Makes you wonder how many accidents they avoided by having the driver take over from the computer at a moment's notice I'm not saying this to diss self-driving cars, but a faultless record after a million miles is a huge thing. I haven't read anywhere about how many times a driver has had to override the computer because I don't think Google has published that.[/QUOTE] Grasping at straws. You realize we have robots in cars [i]now[/i] that are stopping human error? The proper question is the exact opposite. How many accidents are robots stopping now by taking over in a milliseconds notice because the human was accelerating too fast in traffic. [editline]17th May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Megadave;47742347]Don't know why they'd be upset, eventually they won't have to pay drivers to deliver goods in trucks.[/QUOTE] The transportation industry is one of the biggest employeers in the world. Self driving cars are going to disrupt everything we know.
Jesus christ the luddites in this thread. It's obviously information war between google and whoever is paying the media to stir up a shitstorm about autonomous land vehicles. Did the slaves also get mad when we got horses and oxes to pull shit instead back when we domesticated animals? Pilots didn't get mad when autopilots became a thing, now they can sit and wank in the cockpit instead of constantly keeping attitude and navigating since all that is done by computers. All they have to do is take off and land and speak with control towers IIRC. Edit: Also monitoring systems, that monitor systems.
As much as I like this new technology stuff I'm not sure I like the idea of driverless cars... at least, not cars with 0 human input. Having passed my driving test I can tell you a I barely trust myself with one of the more lethal things mankind has created. Personally I'd want regulations on driverless cars, in that every one of those things must have an aware and uninhibited human operator with a license for the driverless vehicle in question at the controls at all times in case of emergencies. Now you might think that this kinda defeats the point of a driverless car but at the same time this is how most large commercial aircraft work, as we know once a plane is in the air an autopilot can do pretty much all of the work and the pilot can fuck off until it's time to land, and heck with some more recent planes and airports with the positioning infrastructure to support it planes can take off and land themselves. So I pose the question, if you like the idea of driverless cars do you also like the idea of a fully pilotless plane? Like, not attempting to be snarky or pull a [I]"HAH if you answer X for one you MUST answer X for the other"[/I] logical bullshit, this is a genuine question? If you don't like one but why the other it'd be interesting to know why and what makes you think one should be allowed and the other not?
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