Orangutan in Argentina zoo granted right to freedom - Polidicks

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/uRGWKF2.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]In an unprecedented decision, an Argentine court has ruled that the Sumatran orangutan 'Sandra', who has spent 20 years at the zoo in Argentina's capital Buenos Aires, should be recognized as a person with a right to freedom. [B]The ruling, signed by the judges unanimously, would see Sandra freed from captivity and transferred to a nature sanctuary in Brazil after a court recognized the primate as a "non-human person" which has some basic human rights.[/B] The Buenos Aires zoo has 10 working days to seek an appeal. The "habeas corpus" ruling in favor of the orangutan was requested last November by the Association of Professional Lawyers for Animal Rights (AFADA) alleging that Sandra suffered "unjustified confinement of an animal with proven cognitive ability." [B]Lawyers argued that just as a person, the ape is capable of maintaining emotional ties and has the ability to reason, while feeling frustrated with her confinement. Furthermore, the legal team claimed that the 29-year old orangutan can make decisions, has self-awareness and perception of time. And therefore, all things considered, Sandra's presence at the Zoo constituted illegal deprivation of liberty.[/B] Habeas corpus is a fundamental legal term in human rights, dating back to the early fourteenth century during the reign of Edward I in England. At that time courts began requiring the monarchy to report the reasons behind restricted freedom of a subject[/QUOTE] [URL="http://rt.com/news/216551-orangutan-argentina-human-right/"]Source[/URL].

[img]http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/XG6ecl_rgtfx.jpg[/img] and so the planet of the apes begins. Sandra is the first ape.

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;46771454]If sense of self includes "screw you I want to eat first and the most" this could apply to way to many animals.[/QUOTE] Usually it refers to having the mental capacity to acknowledge when a reflection is an image of themself, as opposed to viewing it as an image generated of a similar animal or another animal outright.

I mean great apes can actually communicate reasonably well with humans, so this doesn't seem [I]that[/I] far-fetched. But what happens to the orangutan after it gets released? Surely it wouldn't be able to go into the wild, and there's no real precedent for introducing non-humans into society as people.

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;46771627]I mean great apes can actually communicate reasonably well with humans, so this doesn't seem [I]that[/I] far-fetched. But what happens to the orangutan after it gets released? Surely it wouldn't be able to go into the wild, and there's no real precedent for introducing non-humans into society as people.[/QUOTE] If you read the article, the second fucking sentence, you would know that she is being transferred to a nature sanctuary in Brazil, not released into the wild.

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;46771627]But what happens to the orangutan after it gets released? Surely it wouldn't be able to go into the wild, and there's no real precedent for introducing non-humans into society as people.[/QUOTE] [Quote=Article]would see Sandra freed from captivity and transferred to a nature sanctuary in Brazil [/Quote]

Los orangutanos son libres [editline]22nd December 2014[/editline] Disclaimer: I don't speak Spanish

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46771773]Los orangutanos son libres [editline]22nd December 2014[/editline] Disclaimer: I don't speak Spanish[/QUOTE]It works, although it's only one. :v:

Possesses about the same level of intelligence as their prime minister. It makes sense

this is cool

[QUOTE=Complifused;46771890]Possesses about the same level of intelligence as their prime minister. It makes sense[/QUOTE] Obama is a Prime Minister? wot?

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;46771986]Obama is a Prime Minister? wot?[/QUOTE] Your edge is sharp enough that you should Cut the Crap.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;46771986]Obama is a Prime Minister? wot?[/QUOTE] It's nice that after we lost Laserguided and Rufus we still have some crazies floating around. Make some threads interesting and all.

[QUOTE=Apollo;46771880]It works, although it's only one. :v:[/QUOTE] It was a "las malvinas son britanicas" joke, but I think I didn't execute it very well.

I wonder if she is happy with her new status "person".

[quote]The ape is capable of maintaining emotional ties and has the ability to reason, while feeling frustrated with her confinement. The 29-year old orangutan can [also] make decisions, has self-awareness and perception of time.[/quote] Almost every animal with a brain has these abilities. It'd be foolish to think otherwise.

For shits and giggles. I'm kind of curious as to just how far Sandra(Or rather a motivated individual acting on her behalf) could push her legal rights. Like applying for citizenship, a Drivers Licence, a Gun licence etc.

[QUOTE=Mebit;46777998]For shits and giggles. I'm kind of curious as to just how far Sandra(Or rather a motivated individual acting on her behalf) could push her legal rights. Like applying for citizenship, a Drivers Licence, a Gun licence etc.[/QUOTE] What if she is gay and wants to get married ?

And then it gets killed in the wild

That's a news article that makes my morning. I feel like private for profit zoos open to the public should be abolished, there's nothing to be gained from a kid observing an animal in a cage. It doesn't teach the kid to respect animals, it ingrains in them that animals are to be controlled.

[QUOTE=Megadave;46772230]Your edge is sharp enough that you should Cut the Crap.[/QUOTE] OH SHIT, I'm bleeding. [QUOTE]It's nice that after we lost Laserguided and Rufus we still have some crazies floating around. Make some threads interesting and all. [/QUOTE] Hahahha Just wondering why he would call Cristina a Prime Minister...when there's no prime minister here...

I don't know, for something kept in captivity for like two decades, I'm having doubts on how well it can survive in the wild, even if it's a nature sanctuary.

¡La sanda eres argentina!

[QUOTE=Ajacks;46778192]That's a news article that makes my morning. I feel like private for profit zoos open to the public should be abolished, there's nothing to be gained from a kid observing an animal in a cage. It doesn't teach the kid to respect animals, it ingrains in them that animals are to be controlled.[/QUOTE] Zoos don't have cages, they have enclosures. We're not talking tiny boxes covered in bars, we're talking about an areas designed for those animals to live in comfortably. How can you possibly say that there's nothing to be gained from giving people who aren't otherwise able to travel to the natural locations of these animals the opportunity to see them? Not every animal needs wide open plains in order to be happy.

[QUOTE=Jmir 54;46778186]And then it gets killed in the wild[/QUOTE] so many people that dont even read the fucking article.

There was a gorilla in a big pit at a zoo I went to and it was sitting there with a giant stick by it's side and one fist on it's hip. You could tell he was annoyed with everyone looking at him cause he was staring directly at everyone. He would walk away a couple times, but not before throwing the stick in the air in our direction. I wonder if this could be ruled for several more similar animals in the mentioned zoo of the article. [QUOTE=Jmir 54;46778186]And then it gets killed in the wild[/QUOTE] Don't you go on a forum to see what other people say? Even if you didn't read the article, someone already said this and another person already quoted the article stating that it's going to a sanctuary.

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;46778822]Not every animal needs wide open plains in order to be happy.[/QUOTE] In fact, when properly cared for, primates (lower and higher alike) have been found to be the happiest of zoo captives. If she was given space and a shifting array of toys and puzzles, really Sandra was probably pretty content. It's roaming animals that do poorly in zoos. These would be species like bears and predatory cats.

Un. Fucking. Believeable. Sure let's ignore the soaring crime rates, the growing drug trafficking, the corruption cases within the legislative body, and even in the justice system itself... those are not urgent issues at the moment for these judges, right? I for one welcome to our new ape overlords, at least they would do a better job running things here.

SciFi has predicted how we'd react to say AI's/Aliens/other sentient lifeforms, but we've had other sentient life around us longer. Its fascinating that someone has made a position on a matter that we as humans have yet to grasp/come-to-terms with when it comes to rights beyond people.

[QUOTE=Tumama;46781158]Un. Fucking. Believeable. Sure let's ignore the soaring crime rates, the growing drug trafficking, the corruption cases within the legislative body, and even in the justice system itself... those are not urgent issues at the moment for these judges, right? I for one welcome to our new ape overlords, at least they would do a better job running things here.[/QUOTE] the people who deal with this stuff aren the same that deal with the issues you brought up lol