EU negotiations live: Greece threatens to veto David Cameron deal over refugee crisis and more - Polidicks

The Prime Minister (UK) left talks at 5am this morning and has already returned to the negotiating table [t]http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_large/public/thumbnails/image/2016/02/19/13/tsipras.jpg[/t] [I]Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras arrives for an EU summit in Brussels on Friday[/I] Greece has threatened with veto David Cameron's EU reform plans over the bloc's handling of the refugee crisis. It's quite a hard source to compile an actual informative yet-concise OP so click [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-negotiations-live-david-cameron-preparing-for-another-day-of-talks-with-donald-tusk-after-late-a6883231.html]here[/url] to read updates and opinions on the matter from various leaders of EU nations. [B]Summary:[/B] Belgium PM says that any deal, that he's not convinced will happen today, must be absolutely final. France also shares the "Take it or leave it" sentiment. [quote] David Cameron has a new problem - on top of objections to the package itself, Greece is now using its veto on the agreement as a bargaining chip for another issue. Syriza prime minister Alexis Tsipras has threatened to veto any deal for the UK unless he received assurances about policy on the refugee and migration crisis. Greece is worried that countries on its northern border - particularly Macedonia - might have their border closed. This would make it a lot more difficult to migrants and refugees arriving by boat in Greece to move on elsewhere and likely put significant pressure on the already over-stretched and austerity-hit country. That idea to close the border is being discussed as part of discussions about how to secure the EU's external border. Macedonia and Albania are not in the EU. Tsipras says he will veto Britain's reform plan if Greece's northern border closure goes ahead. [/quote] Lithuania PM says "Whatever face saving and face lifting exercise we do @EUCO - decision belongs to British people #UKinEU" Estonia PM: "Of course we all pursue our national interests, but we should keep in mind that in case of Brexit we all get nothing " Poland's PM Beata Szydlo says her country's position is "a deal, but not at any cost". Spain's PM Mariano Rajoy says Britain staying in the EU would be "good for everyone". In a later tweeted he added that Spain would support the removal of "administrative barriers to create greater competitiveness" - no mention on the immigration, however. Czech PM Bohuslav Sobotka refers to the "V4" or Visegrad Group of Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary and Slovakia. He says the counties have concerns with Britain's proposals but wants to keep the UK in the EU. Luxembourg's PM Xavier Bettel has told reporters out the front of the building that he hopes a deal can be agreed by "the end of the afternoon". That does not sound very specific. Merkel says "This discussion was inspired by the fact that each and everyone one of us wanted to keep Britain within the European Union. All of the different requests on the agenda were discussed and it is true that not every single one around the table found it easy to agree to those requests. But there is a will. " [t]http://images.scribblelive.com/2016/2/19/6136464e-7877-424c-8985-ac5376086206.png[/t] David Cameron looks fucked [I]"Good morning, hi. Well, I was here till five o’clock this morning working through this and we’ve made some progress but there’s still no deal. As I’ve said I’ll only do a deal if we get what Britain needs so we’re going to get back in there, we’ll do some more work, and I’ll do everything I can."[/I] Main source: [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-negotiations-live-david-cameron-preparing-for-another-day-of-talks-with-donald-tusk-after-late-a6883231.html[/url] [editline]19th February 2016[/editline] I appreciate that it's very fact heavy :v:

As much as I support the idea of a unified Europe, it's almost painful to see how much sway Greece has. I know that all should have an equal voice but they're just the family fuckups that really shouldn't be given that much power.

[QUOTE=Propane Addict;49772443]As much as I support the idea of a unified Europe, it's almost painful to see how much sway Greece has. I know that all should have an equal voice but they're just the family fuckups that really shouldn't be given that much power.[/QUOTE] They're ground zero for the migrant crisis in the EU, and they have to sit by while Britain gets its concessions made to limit migrant influx and border controls. Ya Greece probably deserves some attention

[QUOTE=Sableye;49772731]They're ground zero for the migrant crisis in the EU, and they have to sit by while Britain gets its concessions made to limit migrant influx and border controls. Ya Greece probably deserves some attention[/QUOTE] Maybe if they hadn't fucked up their economy and tricked their way into the EU they'd get a bit more of a positive reaction.

[QUOTE=Lium;49772771]Maybe if they hadn't fucked up their economy and tricked their way into the EU they'd get a bit more of a positive reaction.[/QUOTE]what does them fucking up their economy have to do with where migrants come through

[QUOTE=Lium;49772771]Maybe if they hadn't fucked up their economy and tricked their way into the EU they'd get a bit more of a positive reaction.[/QUOTE] That's a childish way of thinking

[QUOTE=Lium;49772771]Maybe if they hadn't fucked up their economy and tricked their way into the EU they'd get a bit more of a positive reaction.[/QUOTE] Maybe if the central banks of Germany, France, Italy and Britain hadn't had their hand in mortgage backed securities, and credit default swaps the eurozone wouldnt have crashed like it did either. The issue is migrants flooding the beaches and swarming the border not fiscal policy for the last 10 years

[QUOTE=Lium;49772771]Maybe if they hadn't fucked up their economy and tricked their way into the EU they'd get a bit more of a positive reaction.[/QUOTE] This amounts to a "grease pay debts" response. As said by Sableye, Greece is the entry point for migrants, meaning any deal that would force more migrants to stay in Greece will put further strain on the frankly non-functioning economy and over-stressed (to say the least) people.

[QUOTE=Lium;49772771]and tricked their way into the EU[/QUOTE] You ought to learn to differentiate between the EU and the Eurozone before condemning entire countries, though.

[QUOTE=Propane Addict;49772443]As much as I support the idea of a unified Europe, it's almost painful to see how much sway Greece has. I know that all should have an equal voice but they're just the family fuckups that really shouldn't be given that much power.[/QUOTE] Merkel didn't exactly help Greece by encouraging refugees and millions of migrants to go into Greece.