[QUOTE]For the past two years a tight-lipped and little talked about unit within the Metropolitan Police has been conducting blanket surveillance of British citizens' public social media conversations.
Following an unintentional leak and a detailed investigation we are finally able to see some of the capabilities of this 17-man team -- some of which are truly alarming.
The Prism scandal engulfing US and UK intelligence agencies has blown the debate wide open over what privacy means in the digital age and whether the internet risks becoming a kind of Stasi 2.0.[/QUOTE]
Source: [URL]http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-06/26/socmint[/URL]
I am a proud citizen of Orwellistan and I fully support their actions.
Our safety is much more important than our privacy.
All of this just screams the saying we are all thinking in one way or another: A nation/society who is willing to give up a little freedom to gain a little security deserves neither, and loses both.
[QUOTE=lifehole;41294688]All of this just screams the saying we are all thinking in one way or another: A nation/society who is willing to give up a little freedom to gain a little security deserves neither, and loses both.[/QUOTE]
Insightful stuff, Mr. Franklin.
It's called Opensource intelligence...
It's anything but.
[QUOTE=lifehole;41294688]All of this just screams the saying we are all thinking in one way or another: A nation/society who is willing to give up a little freedom to gain a little security deserves neither, and loses both.[/QUOTE]
You've opened up a can of worms.
Abandon thread.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;41294700]Insightful stuff, Mr. Franklin.[/QUOTE]
yep, that's from him. I don't agree with it completely, and it's outdated philosophy by now, but it's relevant in this situation.
[editline]3rd July 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Riutet;41294720]You've opened up a can of worms.
Abandon thread.[/QUOTE]
huh? I'm pretty sure most people are pissed about this kindof stuff, and all I was doing is agreeing with the people pissed about this by using an old quote. If people disagree I won't argue with them.
Nowhere is safe.
Do they survey people in the same way? Because now I'm getting paranoid, I protested once and the police were nearby
[QUOTE=lifehole;41294688]All of this just screams the saying we are all thinking in one way or another: A nation/society who is willing to give up a little freedom to gain a little security deserves neither, and loses both.[/QUOTE]
That's a nice sentiment but it doesn't hold up in the real world. You give up freedoms on a daily basis for services and security. You give your money to the bank, limiting how and when you can spend it, and how much at a time, in exchange for them keeping the funds safe, and offering you services like credit/debit cards.
Giving up freedom for security is not a bad thing, and it's not the problem. The problem is when a nations government takes away freedoms from the citizens in return for a promise of security. The citizens didn't choose it and the government can't be fully trusted by it's citizens to deliver the promised security since the government just broke the trust of the citizens by taking away some of their freedoms.
[QUOTE=chipset;41294873]That's a nice sentiment but it doesn't hold up in the real world. You give up freedoms on a daily basis for services and security. You give your money to the bank, limiting how and when you can spend it, and how much at a time, in exchange for them keeping the funds safe, and offering you services like credit/debit cards.
Giving up freedom for security is not a bad thing, and it's not the problem. The problem is when a nations government takes away freedoms from the citizens in return for a promise of security. The citizens didn't choose it and the government can't be fully trusted by it's citizens to deliver the promised security since the government just broke the trust of the citizens by taking away some of their freedoms.[/QUOTE]
As I said a few posts above: I don't agree with it completely, and it's outdated philosophy by now, but it's relevant in this situation.
I can see how programs like these could be used for good; however I think the two main issues is that there's not a viable way to ensure that this information will be kept secure and that the government won't use it against the people. Information is a useful tool, but it can also be dangerously volatile. With that said, I don't think we should be looking for a way to completely dismantle these systems, but instead be working to keep them in check. However, this also begs the question; is it worth it? Does this system actually provide a substantial benefit for everyone?
[QUOTE=Irockz;41294844]Do they survey people in the same way? Because now I'm getting paranoid, I protested once and the police were nearby[/QUOTE]
If you're getting paranoid because of that then join some action against these measures because if you can't protest without fear of oppression then this is no longer a free country.
Is that what they seriously named it?
How can you have the audacity to name this like something exactly out of Orwell.
[QUOTE=lifehole;41294884]As I said a few posts above: I don't agree with it completely, and it's outdated philosophy by now, but it's relevant in this situation.[/QUOTE]I don't think it's an outdated philosophy at all, honestly.
Don't get me wrong, but this seems to be purely stuff made publicly avalible. Tweets and what have you.
They're not hacking into accounts and acquiring data that you thought was private, they're merely compiling stuff that was voluntarily put into the public domain. If you'd be fine with a guy you'd never met before watching a video you put out, why aren't you fine with the government doing that?
Again, don't get me wrong, spying is bad, but I'm not sure I've a problem with this.
[quote=The Article]While the NSA's Prism programme collects data that is supposed to be hidden from the outside world, this form of opensource intelligence eavesdrops on the data you haven't made private -- be it intentional or through ignorance.[/quote]
This is very different from PRISM because it only scans stuff that has been posted for public view
This doesn't get hold of information that was supposed to be private, provided you didn't post private information to the public in the first place
I don't see what anyone's problem is, this seems to be monitoring of stuff [B]willingly put into the public domain[/B]. If people are worried about this, stop posting stuff publicly on social media.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;41295194]Is that what they seriously named it?
How can you have the audacity to name this like something exactly out of Orwell.[/QUOTE]
Its the correct term, in the same way that HUMINT is the correct term for human intelligence. It just looks wrong when its written like that it should be written SOCMINT.
[quote]While the NSA's Prism programme collects data that is supposed to be hidden from the outside world, this form of opensource intelligence eavesdrops on the data you haven't made private -- be it intentional or through ignorance.[/quote]
I think this is an important point, its not like theyre snooping on your texts and calls and facebook chat messages. If all your Facebook info is set to public, then its hardly an invasion of your privacy.
I always see people say that the UK is heavily monitored, but it truth it's just public spaces.
You always have a right to privacy, but that right is diminished when in public. As long as they aren't watching me wank, I can't argue with this.
garbl, ninja'd, took me a while to post that obviously
[QUOTE=Harry3;41295335]I think this is an important point, its not like theyre snooping on your texts and calls and facebook chat messages. If all your Facebook info is set to public, then its hardly an invasion of your privacy.[/QUOTE]
Take your sense and logic elsewhere, this thread is clearly for people who are blindly outraged by any suggestion that a government might be doing something wrong without even checking their facts.
[editline]3rd July 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;41295342]I always see people say that the UK is heavily monitored, but it truth it's just public spaces.
You always have a right to privacy, but that right is diminished when in public. As long as they aren't watching me wank, I can't argue with this.[/QUOTE]
If they are watching you you should probably stop doing that in public..
[QUOTE=Jsm;41295352]Take your sense and logic elsewhere, this thread is clearly for people who are blindly outraged by any suggestion that a government might be doing something wrong without even checking their facts.[/QUOTE]
What threads have you been in that don't have the first half-page full of people only reading the title?
Now the knobheads have finished their kneejerk reaction, some degree of discussion can take place.
[QUOTE=Jsm;41295352]
If they are watching you you should probably stop doing that in public..[/QUOTE]
But I like it when they watch.
Mmhmm...
Mmhm, that's good~...
[QUOTE=Jsm;41295352]Take your sense and logic elsewhere, this thread is clearly for people who are blindly outraged by any suggestion that a government might be doing something wrong without even checking their facts.
[editline]3rd July 2013[/editline]
If they are watching you you should probably stop doing that in public..[/QUOTE]
"If you are doing nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about"
People like you are going to cause this to happen:
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Endemic surveillance society, merger of government and corporate power, use of police to crack down hard on protests, Government rhetoric that stresses national idenity and unity whilst simultaneously dividing society?
"Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power." - Benito Mussolini
Oh for fuck sake, [B]NO[/B]. Just fucking stop it.
[QUOTE=Iago;41295438]"If you are doing nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about"
People like you are going to cause this to happen:
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How is that relevant to what he posted at all?
[QUOTE=Iago;41295438]"If you are doing nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about"
People like you are going to cause this to happen:
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That isn't what I said in the slightest. If you put something on a public site (ie twitter) you are allowing anyone to read it, including the government.
If they were reading private things (like my emails) I would be bothered.
Like this post here, I am posting it on a public forum. I am happy for anyone to read it, I would not be too bothered if some guy was sitting in GCHQ reading it. I would question as to why they are doing it purely as a waste of tax money but other than that who cares.
[QUOTE=lifehole;41294798]yep, that's from him. I don't agree with it completely, and it's outdated philosophy by now, but it's relevant in this situation.
[editline]3rd July 2013[/editline]
huh? I'm pretty sure most people are pissed about this kindof stuff, and all I was doing is agreeing with the people pissed about this by using an old quote. If people disagree I won't argue with them.[/QUOTE]
I <3 people who quote out of context to seem ~deep~
I don't really have an issue with these systems as long as they provide results
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